Don't put words in my mouth. I never said I didn't want choice available because of that. I just don't like the insults that have been thrown around.
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To be perfectly honest, I don't want them to add a toggle now solely because of some people's responses about the current walk/run animations. I was up for the idea of multiple animations, but just the insulting posts from several people has turned me off of the idea.
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Nefla said it was because my friend walks how the Inquisitor does that I didn't want choice. That was incorrect. I don't want choice now because people have been jerks. They shouldn't be rewarded for their behavior.
I am almost certain BioWare won't give us any kind of patch or update that lets us choose our animations but hopefully they'll do something different for the next game. A little bit of butt wiggle is fine and natural BioWare, a spastic wriggling fish run is not. Most of us don't want our full grown women who are warriors and leaders to have the idle animations of a 5 year old. If I want to play an immature character or a seductress character, that's something *I* should be able to choose through dialogue, actions, clothing, and choices. It should not be forced on me when it not only doesn't fit with a the character I play but downright contradicts her.
Agreed.
That's the thing. These animations and stances just break it for me. I'm a gay guy, so not only do the "sexy" movements mean squat to me, I also have no personal interest in seeing my own femininity (since I lack it. I may appear to be fabulous here, but it is mostly just me hamming it up TBH Lmao) reflected in the female PC. So I see everything for what it really is, and how jarringly her movements clash with the persona I want for the character.
I am picking all the badass aggressive dialogue options for you! I have decked you out in plate armor from head to toe! I have given you a huge warhammer that probably outweighs you! So why are you mincing around like this? Why do you have twinkle toes??? Arrrrrrrrghhhhh!!!!!
I can't. I just can't take the female PC of either DA2 or DA:I seriously as a warrior when she moves around and stands like this.
Nefla said it was because my friend walks how the Inquisitor does that I didn't want choice. That was incorrect. I don't want choice now because people have been jerks. They shouldn't be rewarded for their behavior.
And you think people have been jerks because...?
Also lol at rewarded for behavior. I guess we should take out the romance bits and the stuff you like too because people have been jerks about every single damn thing in this game.
And you think people have been jerks because...?
Calling the type of walk as things like slutstrut or hooker walk comes to mind off the bat. Or even implying that people who do it always do it for attention or aren't real people because they walk that way.
Calling the type of walk as things like slutstrut or hooker walk comes to mind off the bat. Or even implying that people who do it always do it for attention or aren't real people because they walk that way.
I knew that bit. *rubs temples*
I knew that bit. *rubs temples*
Then why'd you ask? 
Then why'd you ask?
*sigh* No reason at all.
If FemQuisitor makes circles on the ground with her wittle footsie like a 5 year old the way femHawke did I will scream.
Imagine DudeQunquisitor doing it though. 
Perfection. A gentle giant! Huge but dainty!
The knowledge that playing footsie is something that she is wont to do tarnishes her.
I just find it so freaking odd that they try to build up the femPC as being badass and tough, and yet she is diminished with all of these various stances and animations.
Don't blame Bioware for your skewed view what of constitutes badass and tough. They can't help it because people want to put females in a category of "badass and tough" and "timid and weak". I am not saying Bioware didn't make her walk to be sexy, don't get me wrong, but perhaps they don't subscribe to the misconception that you can't be both, or that you have to create a male and female in stereotype. Maybe they wanted to make her powerful, badass, tough and sexy. You can't visit your definition on them.
You can certainly give suggestions on what you feel is sexy, or tough or badass and hope that they make changes accordingly, but don't act as though your definition is the only right definition and Bioware's method is a contradictory decision.
That being said, it's incongruous with what we know about "tough". I'm a big fan of incongruity like that - I tend to really push the envelope for it as much as I can get away with it in my persona/professional life. But it's a YMMV, and I get why it bothers some people.
Nefla said it was because my friend walks how the Inquisitor does that I didn't want choice. That was incorrect. I don't want choice now because people have been jerks. They shouldn't be rewarded for their behavior.
Because you brought up your friend several times and made it personal. I said over and over that nobody sway-walks to that extreme all the time. I never said that someone who walks like that in our normal peaceful lives was somehow crappy. I never said that someone who walks like that for sexual attention is crappy. I said 1) that people don't walk like that during strenuous activity such as hiking and survival situations. It's an inefficient walk and looks really strange and out of place adventuring, dungeon crawling, running from a dragon, etc... 2) people don't run like that at all ever. You insist that your friend would play soccer, hike, etc...with that exaggerated hip sway but have you ever seen her do it? Is her walk really as exaggerated as you think it is, or is it just a butt wiggle? It feels like you're just looking for an excuse to be offended.
Also don't you think it's petty to wish away a feature that thousands of people would use and enjoy just because you got offended by a handful of people in a thread?
Calling the type of walk as things like slutstrut or hooker walk comes to mind off the bat. Or even implying that people who do it always do it for attention or aren't real people because they walk that way.
The overwhelming majority of people who do the extreme sway catwalk style walk do it to be sexy. That may be for attention or it may just be because they're feeling good, but it's not a natural walk. Maybe you know one of the uber rare unicorn-like exceptions (or maybe you're exaggerating it in your mind) but being offended because people who have never heard of or encountered someone like that assume they don't exist is like being offended when someone says "Asians don't have naturally blonde hair and blue eyes" because you know one Asian person with an extremely rare genetic mutation that has natural blonde hair and blue eyes.
Also, do you look down on people who are promiscuous or who are sex workers? Why is that an insult? Hookers most definitely try to walk as sexy as possible to help get clients, if the Inquisitor's walk is the same then it's the same. Back in the day when people called this pair of boots I owned "hooker boots" I just laughed because they were a common kind of boots worn by hookers.
Also, do you look down on people who are promiscuous or who are sex workers? Why is that an insult? Hookers most definitely try to walk as sexy as possible to help get clients, if the Inquisitor's walk is the same then it's the same. Back in the day when people called this pair of boots I owned "hooker boots" I just laughed because they were a common kind of boots worn by hookers.
Come on, don't do that. Don't minimize and justifiy slurs, sexist or otherwise. You know the difference between using something as an adjective and in it's proper frame and using it as an insult. No one is saying prostitutes are bad people who should be looked down upon and you shouldn't try to deflect arguments by using that. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but you know when someone is using the word as an insult and it's the wrong thing to do. There is nothing wrong with being mentally challenged, but you know when "retarded" is being used as an insult and it's the wrong thing to do. Please, let's just not go that route when there are much better words and phrases to employ that don't have to demean, degrade or shame people.
Once again: the purpose of this thread is to request the feature of choosing our walk/run animations. It is not intended to shame or vilify real people who actually walk a certain way, but rather recognizing that some of us feel uncomfortable with the way things are currently presented, and some of us would like to have the choice, given the option.
I mean, the animation switch mods were fairly popular. There were two separate mods actually that gave "male" characters the "female" animations. One for Hawke and one for Hawke+all the companions. And the mod to give f!Hawke the male animations was also quite popular.
Nefla said it was because my friend walks how the Inquisitor does that I didn't want choice. That was incorrect. I don't want choice now because people have been jerks. They shouldn't be rewarded for their behavior.
That being said, it's incongruous with what we know about "tough". I'm a big fan of incongruity like that - I tend to really push the envelope for it as much as I can get away with it in my persona/professional life. But it's a YMMV, and I get why it bothers some people.
Come on, don't do that. Don't minimize and justifiy slurs, sexist or otherwise. You know the difference between using something as an adjective and in it's proper frame and using it as an insult. No one is saying prostitutes are bad people who should be looked down upon and you shouldn't try to deflect arguments by using that. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but you know when someone is using the word as an insult and it's the wrong thing to do. There is nothing wrong with being mentally challenged, but you know when "retarded" is being used as an insult and it's the wrong thing to do. Please, let's just not go that route when there are much better words and phrases to employ that don't have to demean, degrade or shame people.
That doesn't seem the same to me. You're assuming it's an insult rather than a comparison. How is "stripper strut" insulting but "model strut" not insulting?
Can you two continue this conversation via PM? If it needs to continue at all? It doesn't seem very productive at this point.
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I really hate that toggle word so much
Everyone walks differently, in the real world. Yet, in DAO and DA2 the walking animation was the same for all the characters. I've notice this in INQUISITION as well. Very disturbing, I tell you!
Bioware should make a walking animation that suits the character. IE: Qunari female walk different from human female, different from elf female. Same for the male characters. Could be made from the character selection screens... show sample animations, select one and DONE!
Too late for this game, but please BIOWARE, incorporate different walking animations in future games.
Nefla said it was because my friend walks how the Inquisitor does that I didn't want choice. That was incorrect. I don't want choice now because people have been jerks. They shouldn't be rewarded for their behavior.
So all of us who want the walk changed but asked people not to use insults to make their point in this thread don't count?
Don't blame Bioware for your skewed view what of constitutes badass and tough. They can't help it because people want to put females in a category of "badass and tough" and "timid and weak". I am not saying Bioware didn't make her walk to be sexy, don't get me wrong, but perhaps they don't subscribe to the misconception that you can't be both, or that you have to create a male and female in stereotype. Maybe they wanted to make her powerful, badass, tough and sexy. You can't visit your definition on them.
You can certainly give suggestions on what you feel is sexy, or tough or badass and hope that they make changes accordingly, but don't act as though your definition is the only right definition and Bioware's method is a contradictory decision.
That's kind of the problem--they wanted to make her sexy, when not all of us wanted "sexy" imposed on our PC. Shouldn't I get to decide whether my character projects a sexy vibe or not? Why is that a prerequisite for the female character no matter what other choices I make about her?
I really hate that toggle word so much
It needs a toggle so that we can turn it off, frankly.
That's kind of the problem--they wanted to make her sexy, when not all of us wanted "sexy" imposed on our PC. Shouldn't I get to decide whether my character projects a sexy vibe or not? Why is that a prerequisite for the female character no matter what other choices I make about her?
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