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[Celtic Latino]

As most are aware, the non-mage Elf backstory (warrior/rogue) will be that of a Dalish hunter.

 

I can get behind an elven rogue being a hunter, especially one that is archery focused (fits the whole wilderness lore plus the archetypal fantasy ranger). Even dual wielding elves since many rangers are often depicted as dual wielding, lightly armored combat types. The Assassin spec fits the whole 'hunter' theme even further, as hunters are often stealthy.

 

However, I have trouble with the Elven warrior being a hunter in terms of weapon/combat styles. I don't really picture hunters pairing a weapon and shield, as I often picture armed military knights with that combat style. I may get behind a two handed warrior being a hunter (think Monster Hunter) but given the elves are rather slight in terms of build, it would be sort of strange (and yes I know Fenris...).

 

I initially pictured my first Inquisitor as an Elven rogue but the idea of an Elven warrior interests me as well. Had the Elf-Quisitor been a City Elf, it would be easy to conceive an Elven warrior as being trained in heavy armor and weapon/shield combat (or two hand weapons), but alas all elves are Dalish. Plus, there are no dual wielding warriors (like Ariane or the Origins PC), so that idea is out the window. (Keep in mind I'm NOT complaining about any of these things, just stating facts).

 

Basically I'm trying to find a 'work-around' that could make playing a Dalish Warrior conceivable while being realistic and 'lore-friendly'.

[TheJediSaint]

I could see an armored, sword and board elven warrior being tasked with tanking dangerous prey like bears.

[daveliam]

I could see an armored, sword and board elven warrior being tasked with tanking dangerous prey like bears.

 

Yeah, me too.  I could also see there being a few well-trained sword-and-board warriors in each clan in case they are ever raided and it comes to melee combat. 

[Frogtoad51]

I'm pretty sure all healthy, Dalish males are hunters since they live off the land and hunting is where most of their food comes from. Just because someone is a hunter doesn't mean they can't also be trained in frontline infantry tactics. In The Masked Empire they had Dalish Elves training with and using swords and shields.

[herkles]

Well keep in mind that as a dalish you are still expceted to contribute to your society. That doesn't mean you can't use a shield and sword, you can still hunt using those weapons/armor. As a real world example, the Maasai in kenya hunt lions as a right of passage using a shield and spear; sure not a sword but a decent enough analogy to me. a shield is very useful when hunting animals, particularly wolves and bears and other animals that may attack you.  Also I highly doubt that as a dalish you would be wearing much metal armor if at all though.

 

 

I do hope this helps you out

[The Night Haunter]

Hunter's don't just hunt, they also protect the clan against threats (giant monster sized bears, humans, demons/spirits). So having them all be flimsy archers or dual wielders isn't terribly efficient.

[Drasanil]

Warriors do just fine as hunters with the new skills they got.

 

[ParagonStovus]

  I know what you mean; before the backgrounds were released, my second Lavellan was going to be a two-handed warrior. I couldn't really picture that particular style working for a nomadic hunter, so I changed him to a dual-wielding assassin. It's certainly possible for a heavily-armoured warrior to be a Dalish hunter, but I do think the rogue fits slightly better.

[Tielis]

Well, we did find lots of Dalish-make shields with clan emblems throughout our travels in Origins, so yes, they do train in that type of combat.

[Celtic Latino]

Well keep in mind that as a dalish you are still expceted to contribute to your society. That doesn't mean you can't use a shield and sword, you can still hunt using those weapons/armor. As a real world example, the Maasai in kenya hunt lions as a right of passage using a shield and spear; sure not a sword but a decent enough analogy to me. a shield is very useful when hunting animals, particularly wolves and bears and other animals that may attack you.  Also I highly doubt that as a dalish you would be wearing much metal armor if at all though.

 

 

I do hope this helps you out

 

That does actually!

 

I just hope there is Dalish/Elven armor or something similar along the lines to DnD Mithril available in DAI (not that think I there wouldn't be).

 

Now I feel a bit more confident about having my Elf possibly be a Sword and Shield warrior. I think of the Specs the Champion would probably be the best bet (Templar is too Human oriented and I don't plan on playing him as a 'dark' character, so no Reaver). Champion would work for any race/cultural warrior really.

[Johun]

Most of the warriors in Merril's Clan in DA2 wear heavy green armor(ironbark/veridium) and are equipped with swords and shields. Including Fenarel, who seems to be the lead hunter.

 

 

City Elves would be much less likely to be warriors as they are forbidden from bearing arms under pain of death.

[herkles]

That does actually!

 

I just hope there is Dalish/Elven armor or something similar along the lines to DnD Mithril available in DAI (not that think I there wouldn't be).

 

Now I feel a bit more confident about having my Elf possibly be a Sword and Shield warrior. I think of the Specs the Champion would probably be the best bet (Templar is too Human oriented and I don't plan on playing him as a 'dark' character, so no Reaver). Champion would work for any race/cultural warrior really.

 

I would highly suspect that there are elven armors. We know that there are smiths. Also as I believe we are going to sites where the ancient elves were then we very likely might find some ancient elven artificats from days before the dalish became nomads, that I suspect might be useful for dalish characters.

 

 I certainly hope that my dalish mage has a few different things to say about going to Halamshiral and the surrounding areas. it was the former capital of the dales after all. Dalish should have some unique things here due to well it being the ancient capital of the dalish elves. 

[The Baconer]

I could see an armored, sword and board elven warrior being tasked with tanking dangerous prey like bears.

 

You don't tank bears >_>

[TK514]

A s/b warrior could have a place in a party as a thrasher/beater, making noise and smacking around the underbrush to drive out prey that might be hiding.

 

Then there's the times you go boar hunting and are too stupid to stay as far away from the thing as possible when trying to kill it.  Err, I mean it 'sneaks up on you' and tries to rip your guts out.

[daveliam]

I'm sure there are also some dalish who just aren't that coordinated, right?  I mean, I can shoot a bow fairly accurately.......at a target that isn't moving.  Any elf like me would just get covered in armor, handed a sword, and thrust on the front line. 

[sandalisthemaker]

For me, elven warriors are problematic for several reasons.

 

Their bodies are slender and lithe, and therefore they just look better as rogues, whether archers or dual-wielders.  A two handed elven warrior looks strange, since the weapons in DA tend to be very large, and it clashes with an elf's skinny physique. Doubly so if the elf is female. Their arms are alarmingly thin and make playing as a female elven two handed warrior just too unrealistic for my tastes.

 

Fenris did look odd, but I attribute his strength and ability to effortlessly wield such huge weapons to the lyrium markings boosting his strength. Plus, the way his armor was, it made his arms look even skinnier than they actually were.

 

A sword and shield warrior only makes sense within a dalish clan as someone who protects the clan from hostiles.  Doesn't really fit the hunter theme, since the heavy armor would make much more noise out in the woods, and the shield is not very practical unless they are hunting a predator that will fight back. If they are hunting herbivores for food, then the shield would just get in the way and be of little use. 

[ZerioctheTank]

For me, elven warriors are problematic for several reasons.

Their bodies are slender and lithe, and therefore they just look better as rogues, whether archers or dual-wielders. A two handed elven warrior does look strange, since the weapons in DA tend to be very large, and it clashes with an elf's skinny physique. Doubly so if the elf is female. Their arms are alarmingly thin and make playing as a female elven two handed warrior just too unrealistic for my tastes.

Plus, the way his armor was, it made his arms look even skinnier than they actually were.

A sword and shield warrior only makes sense within a dalish clan as someone who protects the clan from hostiles.

This was the main reason I wanted to make an elven warrior tank. I hate the idea of being 6'3 200+ of full muscle. The idea of being the small guy controlling the chaos with resilience & cunning rather than brute strength appeals to me. Personally I wanted to be a city elf since I'm not a fan of the Dalish.

[EmperorKarino]

As most are aware, the non-mage Elf backstory (warrior/rogue) will be that of a Dalish hunter.

 

I can get behind an elven rogue being a hunter, especially one that is archery focused (fits the whole wilderness lore plus the archetypal fantasy ranger). Even dual wielding elves since many rangers are often depicted as dual wielding, lightly armored combat types. The Assassin spec fits the whole 'hunter' theme even further, as hunters are often stealthy.

 

However, I have trouble with the Elven warrior being a hunter in terms of weapon/combat styles. I don't really picture hunters pairing a weapon and shield, as I often picture armed military knights with that combat style. I may get behind a two handed warrior being a hunter (think Monster Hunter) but given the elves are rather slight in terms of build, it would be sort of strange (and yes I know Fenris...).

 

I initially pictured my first Inquisitor as an Elven rogue but the idea of an Elven warrior interests me as well. Had the Elf-Quisitor been a City Elf, it would be easy to conceive an Elven warrior as being trained in heavy armor and weapon/shield combat (or two hand weapons), but alas all elves are Dalish. Plus, there are no dual wielding warriors (like Ariane or the Origins PC), so that idea is out the window. (Keep in mind I'm NOT complaining about any of these things, just stating facts).

 

Basically I'm trying to find a 'work-around' that could make playing a Dalish Warrior conceivable while being realistic and 'lore-friendly'.

 

 

you realize, lore wise, dalish do wield swords and shields, it was in both Origins and 2, and the whole Ser Aveline story was her learning to fight from the dalish and she used a sword and shield, both the sword and shield from the dalish. you can see the dalish clan in 2 mostly have sword and shield.

[HiroVoid]

This was the main reason I wanted to make an elven warrior tank. I hate the idea of being 6'3 200+ of full muscle. The idea of being the small guy controlling the chaos with resilience & cunning rather than brute strength appeals to me. Personally I wanted to be a city elf since I'm not a fan of the Dalish.

You could always be a dwarf.

[GreyVsGray]

I rather like being a skinny wall of defense. It'll remind me of being a standard Shonen protag like Luffy or Ichigo. Those guys are twigs and they take beatings that'll make Shepard wince on the regular.

[Gervaise]

Even if the sword and shield wielding Dalish didn't actually bring down the prey, they would still qualify as hunter through accompanying the archers and then protecting them on the return journey from beasts intent of stealing their catch.      A sword and shield would be a much more effective protection against the attack of a bear than a bow and arrows or knives.     They could also beat the sword against the shield to flush prey from cover.   

 

Also the Keepers seem to regularly send their hunters into elven ruins to look for artifacts and having a mix of rogues and warriors would be the best way to approach such a venture since you never know what you are going to find.

 

That said, I tend to prefer playing my non-mage Dalish as a rogue; I'm particularly interested in the Tempest spec this time round.

[Eveangaline]

"Hunter" could be a very general term. Maybe your dalish fished when he was out getting food, and learned their combat more for defending the camp when animals attacked.

[MissMayhem96]

I had a Dalish Warrior in DAO and every cutscene(in the origin) had her with a Bow. Also, I think she may have had a bow in the party selection screen instead of her Flaming Axe that I had her equipped with.

 

But I assume that the Clan always needs someone to take down bigger wildlife, and Werewolves.

[Johun]

You might also be inspired by the story of the Emerald Knights, who were an dalish warrior legion of some repute during the short-lived existence of the dales themselves. As knights, they wore heavy ironbark armor and rode around on halla.

 

Overall, many warrior abilities will undoubtebly follow the brawny brute archetype(especially the two-handed tree). They do mesh better with a race like dwarves or Qunari, but I don't think you'll need to squint and tilt your head too much to find an elven warrior enjoyable, especially if you use a sword and shield.

[Reptillius]

We're talking about people that survive in the wilds alone... Wilds filled with blighted bears, Nasty wolves, pissed off moving trees, and who knows what else. On top of the fact that the dalish do go into elven ruins from time to time and need to defend their camps from nearby humans and such.

 

With all that in mind a sword and shield is a good idea.  Several of these things are very prone to rushing or sneaking up on you and attacking up close.  That dual wielder is still going to need somebody else to draw the attention to be effective and those archers are going to need or want range.  Not all elves are exactly squishy.

 

And not all warriors need to be midevil knights.  Dalish weapons seem to be incredibly resilient and as much art as tool.  It's completely possible ironbark and other materials they make their medium to heavy sword and board armour from are actually much better at absorbing and deflecting blows than the traditional armour everybody else is used to. Giving their smaller lighter frames a similar protection in their hands that just isn't expressed in numbers in the games.

 

From what I remember that may not be a bad assessment either. Seems to me the ancient elvish armour in DA:O that most people never wore gave things like constitution bonuses  and armour rating but was medium in weight.  Think they listed it as being made out of veridium.  And I know the full set gave you a little bit of armour rating as well.  And most of the leather dalish armours (and wades armours) gave you defense bonuses for having the full set on.  This suggest that those heavier sword and board hunters are perhaps better protected than first glance and preconception would make us believe.