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[Mistic]

I'm pretty sure all healthy, Dalish males are hunters since they live off the land and hunting is where most of their food comes from. Just because someone is a hunter doesn't mean they can't also be trained in frontline infantry tactics. In The Masked Empire they had Dalish Elves training with and using swords and shields.

 

Well said. This is from chapter 11:

 

"Briala sat quietly then, and listened to the argument while she looked around the camp. The great wagons, the aravels, were arranged in a circle like the buildings of a small town. She could pick out the purpose of some of them. One held bows and a fletcher’s tools; not far from it, Dalish children practiced shooting arrows at stump-targets painted like men. Near another aravel, crates were filled with vegetables, while smoked meat hung nearby, and behind a third wagon, Dalish warriors swung wooden blades at target dummies. Briala tracked their motions and saw that the drills were the same as she had seen a hundred times at Celene’s family estate or in Val Royeaux."

 

Ok, Michel mocked the warleader by saying that the trainer was making a mistake with the position of the feet, but the important thing is that it's canon that Dalish can and do train like other soldiers in the setting. No headcanon is needed to explain that playable class, because it happens already. Also, later the young elves training are said to take up bows too, so I suppose they are supposed to hunt at some point if the clan needs it.

[Celtic Latino]

You might also be inspired by the story of the Emerald Knights, who were an dalish warrior legion of some repute during the short-lived existence of the dales themselves. As knights, they wore heavy ironbark armor and rode around on halla.

 

Overall, many warrior abilities will undoubtebly follow the brawny brute archetype(especially the two-handed tree). They do mesh better with a race like dwarves or Qunari, but I don't think you'll need to squint and tilt your head too much to find an elven warrior enjoyable, especially if you use a sword and shield.

The Emerald Knights are a great point (and actually a good inspiration to draw my Inquisitor from, especially since you can use halla mounts). I don't plan on making my Elf a Two-Hander, saving that for a Qunari or Dwarven character down the road. (Not the biggest fan of Two Hand in the first place, plus I'd much rather see a giant strongman/woman such as a Qunari or a battle-hardened dwarf use such a weapon).

[Reptillius]

Mistic thank you for that little excerpt.  I personally would take that difference in footing as another indication that the way they do it could be just a little different to take advantage of their more naturally renewable materials that tend to be part of their arms and armour.

[BubbleDncr]

It might make more sense, lore wise, actually.

 

I've always had difficulty with the mental leap that my adult mage only knew one spell at the beginning of the game. So maybe, your Dalish hunter got into some kind of jam, and the only weapons he could find at the beginning of the story was a sword and shield..or giant sword, whatever. Now, it makes sense that he only knows how to do one thing with it! And he discovered he really likes this fighting style, and so he sticks with it!

[Who Knows]

I can definitely see a sword and shield being useful for taking out anything take attacks you on sight rather than runs away. That could stuff like wolves, werewolves, undead, demons...

But yea, you would think there would be more archers and less sword and board people.

[GenericEnemy]

I'm pretty sure all healthy, Dalish males are hunters since they live off the land and hunting is where most of their food comes from. Just because someone is a hunter doesn't mean they can't also be trained in frontline infantry tactics. In The Masked Empire they had Dalish Elves training with and using swords and shields.

 

Pretty much this, though I don't think it's exclusive to Dalish males. We've seen plenty of female hunters, including the two potential Dalish PCs.

[TheFastestManAlive]

'Shield of the Knight Herself' is a Dalish artifact that was used by Ser Aveline. The same Aveline was raised and trained by the Dalish.

[Wulfram]

Using sword and shield is fine.

 

Not being able to use ranged weapons is pretty odd, though.

[ZerioctheTank]

The emerald knights huh? I'll have to look them up but I doubt there is alot of info. This is slowly igniting an entrance in playing an elf again.

[AzukiJin]

People are thinking way to video-gamey when it comes to shield(Like +20% damage reduction and 15% to block any attack). Like people think dodging is a better way to avoid an attack in real life as well because of this.(Like 100% damage reduction every 10 second) Some do, I've had people who argue that no shield is better than to have a shield when it comes to defense, cause you can dodge an attack...-.- They miss the point of the shield, the point is so you don't HAVE to dodge an attack and generally if you block an attack it's way easier to counter attack then if you are jumping around like an idiot on a battlefield. I'm not claiming you guys say this, I'm just claiming those people do exists. 

As for SnS is VERY useful when it comes to hunting tactics, if you mange to corner an animal you can use the shields to protect yourselves while going slowly towards the prey until you are right next to it and then everyone stab at once. Shield is also useful for any encounter. Like mentioned before, Raids, Big animals, maybe even demons and such. Could be nice to block an fireball or a giant stone to not blow off your head. Even just approaching a sleeping animal with a shield and a sword is better than dual dagger, cause IF they wake up and retaliate you won't be able to block it with daggers what so ever. 

Only thing I've a hard time to get is the two-handed elven warrior. But if we imagine they are not running around solo (Which is stupid, as 2 is always better. 3 might not be.) and their partner is a Trapper then it makes a bit more sense, especially if they are hunting large animals with lots of protection on them to just cut through with one slice.
 

[Reptillius]

Azuk.  You may have just hit on the reason why to date very few of the dalish in either dalish camp we are able to visit have two handed weapons.  It is one style that doesn't really seem very effective for them considering it would have more weaknesses than anything for their combat styles.

[Tielis]

Azuk.  You may have just hit on the reason why to date very few of the dalish in either dalish camp we are able to visit have two handed weapons.  It is one style that doesn't really seem very effective for them considering it would have more weaknesses than anything for their combat styles.

 

I agree.  I think Fenris' combat style has more to do with his markings than pure physical power.  I used him as a two handed tank and he was a juggernaut.

[luism]

It's dumb what they did to the Dalish after awakening. Made them hideous took away the ranger specialization not necessarily a Dalish thing but for those if us who like to role play elf rangers that options gone. I guess for the sake of not being cliche or whatever it's their game I'm just hoping inquisition is fun despite these minor gripes.

[Dean_the_Young]

Well said. This is from chapter 11:

 

"Briala sat quietly then, and listened to the argument while she looked around the camp. The great wagons, the aravels, were arranged in a circle like the buildings of a small town. She could pick out the purpose of some of them. One held bows and a fletcher’s tools; not far from it, Dalish children practiced shooting arrows at stump-targets painted like men. Near another aravel, crates were filled with vegetables, while smoked meat hung nearby, and behind a third wagon, Dalish warriors swung wooden blades at target dummies. Briala tracked their motions and saw that the drills were the same as she had seen a hundred times at Celene’s family estate or in Val Royeaux."

Aw, that's almost as cute as when Palestinian and Israeli children sign bombs and rockets to be fired at eachother.

[CuriousArtemis]

I'm pretty sure all healthy, Dalish males are hunters since they live off the land and hunting is where most of their food comes from. Just because someone is a hunter doesn't mean they can't also be trained in frontline infantry tactics. In The Masked Empire they had Dalish Elves training with and using swords and shields.

 

Are they really so gendered? That makes me like them just a tiny bit less

 

Fenris did look odd, but I attribute his strength and ability to effortlessly wield such huge weapons to the lyrium markings boosting his strength. Plus, the way his armor was, it made his arms look even skinnier than they actually were.

 

Fenris' arms were actually slightly larger than the default male elf body