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[schall_und_rauch]

double post. deleted.

[slimgrin]

I never got treated like that when I got mugged. I never even got hit at all, actually.

Waaaiiit a minute. Your going to whip out anecdotal evidence on mugging in relation to misogyny? No one can know what those muggers were thinking other than: 'here's a target'.

 

I'm not trivializing that women the world over do receive terrible treatment, in some counties more than others. 

[AlanC9]

Waaaiiit a minute. Your going to whip out anecdotal evidence on mugging in relation to misogyny? No one can know what those muggers were thinking other than: 'here's a target'.
 
I'm not trivializing that women the world over do receive terrible treatment, in some counties more than others.

I'm just saying that reading of the events in the video makes sense. I'd put money on it at anything like even odds.

[Inquisitor Recon]

There is no standard method of operation for muggers.

[slimgrin]

 

 

But my main point was women are not overall treated better than men....anywhere.

Traditional western values thrive on special treatment for women. Western culture treasures women. That doesn't always carry over into the professional sphere, but we don't have the data to justify a patriarchal conspiracy.

[The Hierophant]

II wouldn't be surprised if those muggers assault of that woman is their prefered style of robbery. Without us knowing the muggers's personal beliefs there's nothing from the vid that hints at their actions as being a hate crime. Only them being violent oppurtunistic b@stards. Best friend was mugged once (unsuccessfully). He was nearly gutted before the missed stab led to a full on brawl. Both the mugger and my friend are black. Without us knowing his personal beliefs do we just assume that the mugger's attack was fueled by self hating racism? Not all criminals conduct themselves the same. Without further info it's best not to assume too much from that vid.

[GrayTimber]

Please, not here too. I come to BSN to escape this crap.

 

Anyway, I've watched a few of Anita's videos, I saw no reason to get a smidgen as angry as half of gamers seem to get.

[KaiserShep]

Traditional western values thrive on special treatment for women. Western culture treasures women. That doesn't always carry over into the professional sphere, but we don't have the data to justify a patriarchal conspiracy.

Not sure if serious.

[KaiserShep]

I have to say, this thread has been both painful and entertaining.

[Melra]

I live in the USA and I never got the feeling I was treasured or an equal. Maybe I am just too ugly or too old to be treasured. I do, however, live in fear since I am on my own every day. When I get out of work late (every day), go grocery shopping in the evening/night, or jog and walk the dog (good guard dog but not bullet or knife proof) I am in fear that what if the guy approaching me is a 'bad guy'. What could I do? Will I react fast enough? Because I sure as hell can't take a man on in a fist fight. 

Then that is really your choice to live in fear. We could have guards in every corner of a street and there'd still be a chance that people in general would get robbed, kidnapped and raped.

I agree with slimgrin, in my experience women are mostly treasured in western culture. Many crimes where woman is a victim, even if injuries or financial damages suffered aren't any greater than that of male victims, will result in harsher punishment. It is simply how it is, they're also generally seen as a better parent, even if the father is wealthy and loving the mother will get the kids most of the time, even if she's in huge debt.

It'd be alright in some cases, if so many women weren't all too eager to pull out a victim card and demand special treatment whenever it suits them.

[slimgrin]

Not sure if serious.

 

Prove otherwise. You tell me with a straight face western countries aren't among the best places for a woman to live.

[mybudgee]

Moral of this Story: People are disgusting.

 

/thread

[Melra]

No, I live in fear because being a female makes me a better target for criminals  (any type of criminal) since I am physically weaker. 

 

Do you think it is a myth that female rape victims tend to get asked...."what were you wearing"? 

And male rape victims get told "Yeah right.. You enjoyed it just admit it."

That's life, there's always some assholes around, but you can see what kind of power women have. A b*tchy woman can claim she was raped by a guy, if she regrets sleeping with a guy the next day and that guy has very little defense going for him. Even if he is proven innocent, his career is most likely ruined and people in his life might not believe him. He will always be that guy who was accused of rape.

 

[Dermain]

No, I live in fear because being a female makes me a better target for criminals  (any type of criminal) since I am physically weaker. 

 

Do you think it is a myth that female rape victims tend to get asked...."what were you wearing"? 

 

Which is sadly true, or at least it's believed to be true which compounds the issue.

 

And if they are wearing anything provocative then they're told "Well you were asking for it. It's totally your fault for being raped".

 

 

I actually do not agree with what I see in many feminist circles. I do not want to have prolific sex (so-called sex like a man) and get ridden with STDs. I do expect to be given equal pay for a job that I am both educationally and skillfully qualified for. I do not like being prejudged before I get a chance to speak or act. 

 

About the $$$, just look at the Ray Rice scandal. That woman is a disgrace. Does she even care about the possibility he may strike her child? No, must be the $$$.

 

People that have been previously been abused by a loved one tend to overlook the abuse. One example of this would be for them to go "Well I deserved that beating because I made him mad. I'm not worried about our child because I know he wouldn't hit him/her like he does me", and when the abuser then hits the child they could go "Well the kid made him mad, it's totally justified".

 

It's a very unfortunate cycle.

[Melra]

True, but both reported and unreported statistics show women are more likely to be the victims of rape by men, then by another woman/women, or men by women/men by men.

Sure but it is no reason to ignore these victims and demonize every single man as a possible rapist.

[AlanC9]

Sure but it is no reason to ignore these victims and demonize every single man as a possible rapist.

Was anybody actually doing that?

[slimgrin]

Back to Gaider's post. He does nothing to validate Anita's claims, and he does the one thing I despise: every dissenting opinion is an attack. That's the basis of his post. Nowhere does he try and capitulate. He's finger pointing, condescending, snarky as always, but he never takes the middle ground. Don't expect anything different from him at this point.