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Thinking about David Gaider's tumblr entry on femfrequency

Débuté par schall_und_rauch , oct. 24 2014 06:38

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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 02:00

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And male rape victims get told "Yeah right.. You enjoyed it just admit it."

Well...

if any crazy hot female nymphomaniacs want to rape somebody, just give me a call.


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 02:43

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Well...
if any crazy hot female nymphomaniacs want to rape somebody, just give me a call.


I didn't know you were that into getting pegged. But okay.
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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 02:57

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People are different. Anita is crazy. Sexism is a problem that should be tackled through civil discourse from both sides. And as trollish as TurianRebel comes across there is a grain of biological truth to his first post. Females are generally attracted to males who thrive (intelligence, resourcefulness, assertiveness)  while males are generally attracted to females who will produce healthy offspring (dat ass). Are there exceptions? Of course. But for the most part this holds true and is why the H. Neaderthalensis were overthrown/assimilated all those years ago. Oh and did I mention that Anita is crazy? 

 

That's all I have to say about this.


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#254
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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 03:12

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I didn't know you were that into getting pegged. But okay.

That's not what went through my mind, but if that's your thing I won't comment


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 03:13

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That's not what went through my mind, but if that's your thing I won't comment

 

I know it wasn't. That's why I mentioned it. Because what do you think being raped is going to be like? Violent sodomy you didn't consent to is a lot closer than assertive hot woman who wants to have the kind of sex you really enjoy. 


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#256
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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 03:19

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Back to Gaider's post. He does nothing to validate Anita's claims, and he does the one thing I despise: every dissenting opinion is an attack. That's the basis of his post. Nowhere does he try and capitulate. He's finger pointing, condescending, snarky as always, but he never takes the middle ground. Don't expect anything different from him at this point.


Not really following this. Are you saying that Gaider should have capitulated to something? If so, what?
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#257
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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 03:29

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I know it wasn't. That's why I mentioned it. Because what do you think being raped is going to be like? Violent sodomy you didn't consent to is a lot closer than assertive hot woman who wants to have the kind of sex you really enjoy. 

Were you "almost raped" by my attempt at humor?


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#258
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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 03:33

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Recon you are my hero


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 03:35

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Were you "almost raped" by my attempt at humor?

 

No. And I suppose it was funny, but more in the "Man, that poster is really pathetic" sort of way. 


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 03:46

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And since you don't post on off-topic much, you probably don't even know what a clopper he is too.
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#261
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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 03:49

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Not really following this. Are you saying that Gaider should have capitulated to something? If so, what?

Probably the acceptance of valid criticisms of Sark's critiques.

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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 03:57

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While we're talking about that most taboo of subjects, this is a great time to recommend Michael Creighton's Disclosure. Great novel!


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 04:07

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No. And I suppose it was funny, but more in the "Man, that poster is really pathetic" sort of way. 

If we weren't all pathetic we wouldn't be here on the BSN.

 

And since you don't post on off-topic much, you probably don't even know what a clopper he is too.

Who told you such lies?


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 04:46

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Probably the acceptance of valid criticisms of Sark's critiques.


OK. But wasn't the whole post about how her being wrong about a couple of things wouldn't really matter much anyway, since the topic needs to be discussed even if she got details wrong? I don't see how saying she was wrong about X, Y, and Z would have been useful.

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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 05:07

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Back to Gaider's post. He does nothing to validate Anita's claims, and he does the one thing I despise: every dissenting opinion is an attack. That's the basis of his post. Nowhere does he try and capitulate. He's finger pointing, condescending, snarky as always, but he never takes the middle ground. Don't expect anything different from him at this point.

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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 05:19

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Back to Gaider's post. He does nothing to validate Anita's claims, and he does the one thing I despise: every dissenting opinion is an attack. That's the basis of his post. Nowhere does he try and capitulate. He's finger pointing, condescending, snarky as always, but he never takes the middle ground. Don't expect anything different from him at this point.

 

Except that's not what he says at all. He's not even remotely defending the attack, and he's mostly criticizing people for even paying attention to her, which is a strange sort of defence if it was meant to be a defence. Here's what he actually says:

 

Okay. Let’s pretend for a moment that, for those of you who feel this way, you’re absolutely right. My question is this:

 

Why the **** do you even care?

Is there such a profound shortage of shitty opinions on YouTube or elsewhere on the Internet that the appearance of this one constitutes a crime in the making? Have you asked yourself why it’s this particular opinion that drives you up the goddamned wall? What do you tell yourself, if and when you stop for that moment of introspection?


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 05:41

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People probably care because she has the clout to influence a bunch of people.


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 05:44

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People probably care because she has the clout to influence a bunch of dumb people.

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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 06:20

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So, any criticism of video games is okay but criticism of criticism of video games isn't? Quite a lot of what Gaider and Epler said could be turned around and applied to their criticism of criticism of criticism of video games.


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 06:40

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So, any criticism of video games is okay but criticism of criticism of video games isn't? Quite a lot of what Gaider and Epler said could be turned around and applied to their criticism of criticism of criticism of video games.

 

There's a difference between criticism (none of these points were cogent!) and the bizarre rants, personal attacks, rape threats, and whatever else has come out of this situation. It's OK to criticize. It's not OK to be a loon about it. 

 

Fixed

 

Which goes right back to DG's why the **** even care then? 


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#271
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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 06:51

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Fixed

 

Aren't people who are taking the issue seriously enough to respond also being influenced? Wouldn't that also make them dumb?


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 06:58

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I'd hate to think supporters of Anita would be working with Bioware. I figured the I.Q. requirement for game development would be higher than that.


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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 07:03

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Just read through David Gaider's last blog entry.
It defends Anita Sarkeesian's fem frequency videos.
 
First off, I want to say that I think she has every right to say what she does, and I find the threats against her, the calls to shut her up, as well as the cyberstalking, completely unacceptable.
Yes, she should be able to voice the critique as she does, and the people who think real life threats are a way to deal with it should all go to hell!
However, it should also be possible to talk about the critisism. Examine it for what it is, discuss its validity and appropriateness, without any attacks on her personally.
 
And I find her critique, for the most part, invalid. Cherry-picking, confirmation bias, never looking at the whole picture and completely neglecting to put video games as a medium as well as the setting they play in the proper context. While she may have a few valid points, they are so much drowned in manipulative half-truths that I can't take her criticism seriously.
 
I don't consider her videos industry-ruining, but I do find it odd that such a one-sided way of looking at things receives so much respect from industry insiders.
 
 
However, I deeply respect David Gaider. I think he is an awesome writer and he has brought much joy to my gaming. Basicly, I wait with baited breath to see the story he and his team has written.
So when he says 
"That is the purpose of critique. To make you think. That’s it.
Try it."
I sit down and think. And afterwards, I am more bewildered than before.
 
I realized that the moment I grew angry at the femfrequency videos was the moment I saw DAO on there. It was basicly a trope about trivializing rape or using it as a mere plot tool, showing a scene from the city elf origin. 
And while I don't care much about Mario or Donkey Kong, I do care if somebody goes to slander MY favorite game. Yes, I think the DAO story is perfect. Given the medieval fantasy setting, I think it's pretty much on the progressive side and in no way sexist.
 
I played a female city elf back then and considered the scene perfectly all right: Yes, rape threats can be used in such a setting in the same manner as other exploitation/punishment/physical harm: to demonstrate power and take advantage of people with less power. I personally never understood why an evil rapist makes a game horrible, while an evil murderer is perfectly ok.
Not only that, but DAO also empowers the female character by having her lead the way to escape from the capture, with her male companion regulated to the role of side kick. The exact thing that Anita Sarkeesian complains never happens is happening in a game she is critisizing, even without bothering to look closer. Even the accusation of the trope -- that it sexualizes females without giving them personality -- is false, as Shianni displays a lot of personality. So I was angry about her unfair criticism of such a cool game.
 
And here, now, the lead writer of that game defends the person making that criticism. And tells me I am one of the bad guys.
"But, look, she's making unfair accusations against your masterpiece without really looking at it" -- "Look, you don’t want to be lumped in with the bad guys? Then don’t be a bad guy"
 
Aeh...what? Color me confused.

 

 

Agreed entirely. Her concerns in general are valid and worth discussing -- but DAO has nothing to do with it. She should actually play the game.. because apparently, she did not. It's empowering. Not diminishing to females.

 

Cherry picking and taking issues out of context isn't going to help her cause (the cause itself I have no issue with.. but come on. Pick your targets right at least. It would make the argument better).


#274
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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 07:05

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... the I.Q. requirement for game development

HAHAHAHHAHAHA!

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Posté 26 octobre 2014 - 07:39

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People probably care because she has the clout to influence a bunch of people.

 

And......... so what. The CODs and so on will continue to be made cause the market is there.

 

And it hardly justifies harassment, death threats and driving her from her home. 


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