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[Jorji Costava]

In the above he seemed to suggest that criticism of Sarkeesian is silly, because even her critics are right, she's not the only person on youtube with a 'bad' opinion. Contrast that with other sections of his blog post where he defends Sarkeesian's right to voice her criticism. It seems a bit hypocritical.

 
Saying that a criticism of someone is silly isn't the same as denying that one has a right to make that criticism. When Gaider says that Sarkeesian has a right to express her views, what I take him to mean is that Sarkeesian has a right to express her views without fear of being harassed, doxxed, threatened, etc. Of course, people who disagree with Sarkeesian have this right as well, but by and large, it's being protected much better (critics of Sarkeesian aren't routinely getting doxxed or forced out of their homes), so it's not as necessary to address it.
 

He deployed the sexist card. 
 
Now maybe he was just referring to the most obnoxious of her critics, but if so, his post wasn't clear enough on that. It does come across, whether intentional or not, that he was painting with a broader brush.

We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess. I thought his meaning was plain enough ("many of these people" =/= "all of them," after all) but when the tone of a piece is accusatory (as Gaider's piece admittedly is), it's easy enough to think that the criticism must be directed at anyone who's reading it.

[Dermain]

I understand what you are saying, but I think Misogyny is here to stay, even if after several more generations of striving for equality happens in earnest. For whatever reason there will be some men that hate women and some women that hate men.

But from my prospective, the gaming industry, the same as any other industry need to be proactive about it. Besides being the right thing to do, they need to find the norm, the target, the cost effect area to take their products; but right now the norm is moving very quickly. 20 years ago we would not have seen any gays included in games except as some games are now depicting women. Rather Anita hit or missed in her comments may affect many of us that like Bio Games, but her underlying concern is still valid.

And yes to boobs.

 

Not necessarily true. We likely would have seen gays in games 20 years ago. They just would have been evil, creepy pedophiles etc. who's only purpose was to be killed for their crimes. 

 

I recall a 1960's horror movie (The Haunting?) where one of the characters was supposed to be lesbian, but it was cut because the writers didn't want to make her appear "predatory" like all "lesbians" are or something similar.

 

I think we can all agree that boobs are awesome... 

[ruggly]

I tried. McAfee lit up like a Christmas tree, said it was infected with bias and stupidity.

 

Edit- I just read her Tweet. That is man-hating taken to a new level, holy frak. You backing this ****, Gaider?

 

I have her muted on twitter, what did she say?

 

Anyways, I don't care about what she's doing, I care that she's not very good at it, and that she's turned misogyny into such a buzzword. I would be much more inclined to listen to someone who actually enjoyed playing games as well.

[General TSAR]

*sigh*

 

Yep.

 

WTF indeed. 

[Dermain]

*sigh*

 

 

There's some truth to it, but it will likely be over looked simply because she's the one that posted it.

 

The day we end up with a female mass shooter I will laugh. Mostly because of the responses from both sides of the issue.

[TheFastestManAlive]

Reposting these, because they're an accurate portrayal of Anita's spin doctoring.

 

 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Well, I think I've been horrified enough for one week.

[TheFastestManAlive]

I think she's gunning for a job as a publicist in politics. It would certainly explain a lot. 

[Vroom Vroom]

Well, I think I've been horrified enough for one week.

Come back Sunday for a new week of terror 

[General TSAR]

Man, the mods must be asleep or drunk at the switch. 

[Han Shot First]

*sigh*

 

 

Nonsense like this is why it is hard to take her seriously. 

 

Games in general have had a problem with their portrayal of female characters. She is a poor candidate however to lead the charge. Any valid points she makes tend to be overshadowed by divisive bomb throwing like the above comment.

 

Imagine if for a moment that a man began a reply to a comment on some news item involving a woman by saying, "Not a surprise it's always women and girls.."

 

How long it would it take for that comment to be shouted down with cries of sexism, bigotry or misogyny? I'd give the internet about 2.5 seconds. And in that case, rightfully so.

[Vroom Vroom]

Man, the mods must be asleep or drunk at the switch. 

Might just be their day/days off or they could also be working other jobs.

[slimgrin]

There's some truth to it, but it will likely be over looked simply because she's the one that posted it.

 

The day we end up with a female mass shooter I will laugh. Mostly because of the responses from both sides of the issue.

Then explain the connection to our 'toxic masculinity' This is the most toxic thing I think I've read from her pet boyfriend.

[TheFastestManAlive]

That toxic masculinity comment is no big deal. It's just another case of someone falling for their own bullshit.

[Han Shot First]

Bruh... Did this muhf*cka just chalk up mass shootings to "toxic masculinity"?

 

Male and evil both have four letters. Coincidence? I think not!

[bmwcrazy]

*sigh*

 

 

Seriously, I have no idea who she is.

 

But as a female gamer, I want to punch her in the face.

[slimgrin]

I think she's gunning for a job as a publicist in politics. It would certainly explain a lot. 

 

If by publicist you mean supreme female dictator, I agree. I almost get the sense she's disconnected from what she actually says. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I'm not going to weigh in any way, but as this is literally hitting home, I'm saying something before I go.

 

One of these shootings occurred five miles from my house 2 days ago. I walk past the site about once a week.

 

I've been far more horrified by the response to the shooting than the shooting itself. I don't want our tragedy being used a justification for others' hate or political agenda. I don't want our tragedy being used as a justification for attacking people over twitter. I don't want mental illness being misappropriated as proof that anything is toxic.

 

I appreciate the people who have shown sympathy at this time. I think that everyone who is claiming that it justifies their politics or anger or hate or whatever might want to try experiencing a little humanity and shutting the hell up for a few days so that we can process what happened without being told how it is proof that our politics are wrong.

 

Not that I have any illusions, which is why I'll just go.

[Dermain]

Nonsense like this is why it is hard to take her seriously. 

 

Games in general have had a problem with their portrayal of female characters. She is a poor candidate however to lead the charge. Any valid points she makes tend to be overshadowed by divisive bomb throwing like the above comment.

Then explain the connection to our 'toxic masculinity' This is the most toxic thing I think I've read from her pet boyfriend.

 

It's more of a comment about how in our society men are taught that it is more acceptable for them to react violently. There's an interesting, but not complete, divide in how males and females go about bullying. Males tend to be far more aggressive and in your face, while females tend to go about it in passive aggressive ways (rumors etc).

 

Now the link she is making is that this can lead to mass shootings...which it can but it isn't as clear cut as that. Mass shootings are not an area (as if there were such an area when dealing with people) where you can clearly say "THIS IS WHY IT OCCURS AND IT IS THE ONLY REASON IT OCCURS". There are a multitude of factors that all contribute, and it's why whenever someone says "IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS ONE REASON" that you know they're full of bullshit.

 

Is the last part supposed to be directed at me for saying that she may have a point?

[slimgrin]

It's more of a comment about how in our society men are taught that it is more acceptable for them to react violently. There's an interesting, but not complete, divide in how males and females go about bullying. Males tend to be far more aggressive and in your face, while females tend to go about it in passive aggressive ways (rumors etc).

 

Now the link she is making is that this can lead to mass shootings...which it can but it isn't as clear cut as that. Mass shootings are not an area (as if there were such an area when dealing with people) where you can clearly say "THIS IS WHY IT OCCURS AND IT IS THE ONLY REASON IT OCCURS". There are a multitude of factors that all contribute, and it's why whenever someone says "IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS ONE REASON" that you know they're full of bullshit.

 

Is the last part supposed to be directed at me for saying that she may have a point?

 

She never has a valid point. The psychology of mass shootings is likely far beyond me, Anita or you. Which is why I didn't casually make an assumption about it on Twitter. 

[Dermain]

She never has a valid point. The psychology of mass shootings is likely far beyond me, Anita or you. Which is why I didn't casually make an assumption about it on Twitter. 

 

Not necessarily for me. 

 

Which is probably a good idea.

[Vroom Vroom]

There is something that I am going to go ahead and state, it isn't necessarily on topic, but it does/can link to the topic. I've seen comments all around the net about having people fighting to change how women are represented in video games and I'd just like to ask "why do people feel this way"? I am of the opinion that no one is needed to lead a fight or women video game revolution of any sort, my reasoning for this is that the game industry is correcting this problem on its own. These days there are a fair amount of games with female leads or with the option to choose as to whether to create a male or female character, this wasn't the case way back when, the industry is evolving on its own and gaining an awareness and the developers have done this on their own.

 

I don't want video games developers frightened for their safety or worried about having to be politically correct, I want them to be able to make the games that they want to make. They have and are still on course for pursuing the path that a lot of people want and they are doing it by themselves. I feel like all of this stressing is for nothing.