This just in:
We how now Anita claiming that it's PROVEN #Gamergate is all about harrassing women!
https://twitter.com/...111569986322432
And of course, that research turns to be so utterly bogus. Newsweek released an article with a conclusion, but the graphs they released prove THEM wrong.
https://medium.com/@...te-dfd809858f68
Oh, this is unbelievable!
How can one shoot themselves in the foot that badly?
Anita keeps going about how gaming industry is especially toxic to women. How women developers are attacked, how women players are harassed constantly
All lies.
There are many women in game development that do a great job and gamers like them.
Yes those women describing their toxic experiences in the industry are all lying. Felicia Day getting doxxed within an hour of posting a mild blog post about gamergate whilst Chris Kluwe going full throttle against gamergate has nothing happen to him was all made up.
But then I thought gamergate wasn't about women but about game journalism ethics.
Guest_iatcb_*
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Pretty sad from Bioware fans given BW is arguably the most inclusive major developer around.
http://www.nytimes.c...paign.html?_r=0
Those who genuinely want to discuss journalism ethics in gaming need to find another tag for it.
Guest_iatcb_*
Yes those women describing their toxic experiences in the industry are all lying. Felicia Day getting doxxed within an hour of posting a mild blog post about gamergate whilst Chris Kluwe going full throttle against gamergate has nothing happen to him was all made up.
The lies are that it's some global, wide-spread problem focused on women.
Women are treated better than men..both in RL and internet.
So sorry, insults and critics are common for highly visible people - hell, even death threats are nothing new. Just ask book writers or Hoolywood.
So yeah..we have ..what? 2-3 higher-profile women being doxxed by some troll. (What about all the other 9999999 women in gaming?)
Suddenly all women on the planet are in danger!!
Yes those women describing their toxic experiences in the industry are all lying. Felicia Day getting doxxed within an hour of posting a mild blog post about gamergate whilst Chris Kluwe going full throttle against gamergate has nothing happen to him was all made up.
But then I thought gamergate wasn't about women but about game journalism ethics.
It is. But when we point to the trolls and harassers on both sides, then I can just as easily say the anti-GG crowd is all about bullying. The victim mindset needs to be dropped.
Guest_iatcb_*
When modern Feminism's default position is males are evul, it's hard to move on from there. Best to pick a new stance, ideally gender equality, and then discuss. This is why Anita's points instantly devolve into conflict. You can't even get off the ground with her logic. As for online harassment, we need to take a fresh look at that. By Anita's definition I should have gone into hiding years ago. Let's be realistic about the effect it has.
Wonder what kind of medication she's on. Often when I hear about her, she's acting as if she's uncovering something "dark and nasty" about all male gamers for the world to see, when in fact it only leads to people being baffled by her stupidity.
The lies are that it's some global, wide-spread problem focused on women.
Women are treated better than men..both in RL and internet.
So sorry, insults and critics are common for highly visible people - hell, even death threats are nothing new. Just ask book writers or Hoolywood.
So yeah..we have ..what? 2-3 higher-profile women being doxxed by some troll. (What about all the other 9999999 women in gaming?)
Suddenly all women on the planet are in danger!!
It is always fun as a modern feminist to pull on the victim pants and scream as loud as you can, then watch the evul male get scolded by clueless society.
http://www.nytimes.c...paign.html?_r=0
Those who genuinely want to discuss journalism ethics in gaming need to find another tag for it.
It's incredible that a second appearance of this intelligence-consuming debacle is in the New York Times. Why is this bullshit gaining so much momentum rather than fizzling into the void?
Guest_Tevaite_*
The lies are that it's some global, wide-spread problem focused on women.
Women are treated better than men..both in RL and internet.
So sorry, insults and critics are common for highly visible people - hell, even death threats are nothing new. Just ask book writers or Hoolywood.
So yeah..we have ..what? 2-3 higher-profile women being doxxed by some troll. (What about all the other 9999999 women in gaming?)
Suddenly all women on the planet are in danger!!
In certain parts of the world they are treated like animals. I had to post since they just hung a woman in Iran for killing a man in self-defense for raping her. Twenty-six and she had her whole life ahead of her.
Also as a woman I am terrified being alone outside day and night. I have to watch out that I won't be abducted, raped, murdered, and dumped somewhere. I am not physically as strong as a man to fight off an attacker. I live in a world where these kinds of things happen every day.
Here is one recent example of how much better women are treated in RL:
It's incredible that a second appearance of this intelligence-consuming debacle is in the New York Times. Why is this bullshit gaining so much momentum rather than fizzling into the void?
The media. They're the ones giving it the most exposure.
The lies are that it's some global, wide-spread problem focused on women.
Women are treated better than men..both in RL and internet.
So sorry, insults and critics are common for highly visible people - hell, even death threats are nothing new. Just ask book writers or Hoolywood.
So yeah..we have ..what? 2-3 higher-profile women being doxxed by some troll. (What about all the other 9999999 women in gaming?)
Suddenly all women on the planet are in danger!!
How many women do you know?
That's not been what I've seen...especially in MMOs when the girl is actually pretty good...
This of course ignores the people that start stalking them...
The media. They're the ones giving it the most exposure.
It's incredible that a second appearance of this intelligence-consuming debacle is in the New York Times. Why is this bullshit gaining so much momentum rather than fizzling into the void?
New York Times supports the whole "MISOGYNISTIC HOMOPHOBIC RACIST GAMERS!!!" argument? No surprise there. Did they find a way to connect it to the vast Republican "war on womyn" that is always going on? Maybe the GOP is funding 8chan?
Now that I think of it i need to get in touch with my old friend Mitt Romney to plan the next war council. Such are the burdens of my privilege.
I love how these journalists act like incivility on the internet is some sort of horrifying new thing which is only directed at women and minorities. Have they ever been on the internet outside their own website? There are wondrous places where nobody bothers with the facade of civility we force ourselves to use IRL. A place where hideous fedora wearing neckbeards insult each other for all of eternity. It's like some horribly twisted version of Valhalla. They keep talking about all this hatred but fail to realize that "Hatred is the Emperor's greatest gift to humanity."
Here is one recent example of how much better women are treated in RL:
This is a mugging. They were taking her purse. It has no bearing on misogyny whatsoever.
I love how these journalists act like incivility on the internet is some sort of horrifying new thing which is only directed at women and minorities. Have they ever been on the internet outside their own website? There are wondrous places where nobody bothers with the facade of civility we force ourselves to use IRL. A place where hideous fedora wearing neckbeards insult each other for all of eternity. It's like some horribly twisted version of Valhalla. They keep talking about all this hatred but fail to realize that "Hatred is the Emperor's greatest gift to humanity."
Guest_Tevaite_*
This is a mugging. They were taking her purse. It has no bearing on misogyny whatsoever.
So you know these men personally? Know if they are misogynists or not? Does stealing a slender woman's purse require her to be thrown against a wall, punched in the face twice, and dragged semi-conscious. I'd say the overly forceful aggression is for more than just stealing her purse. And again women are not treated better in this world than men.
So you know these men personally? Know if they are misogynists or not? Does stealing a slender woman's purse require her to be thrown against a wall, punched in the face twice, and dragged semi-conscious. I'd say the overly forceful aggression is for more than just stealing her purse. And again women are not treated better in this world than men.
Guest_The Weakened_*
So you know these men personally? Know if they are misogynists or not? Does stealing a slender woman's purse require her to be thrown against a wall, punched in the face twice, and dragged semi-conscious. I'd say the overly forceful aggression is for more than just stealing her purse. And again women are not treated better in this world than men.
I could just as easily turn this question back on you.
Either way, those guys are scum. Their motivations really don't change that.
Well, duh. Nobody cares what goes on in those parts of the internet. It becomes news when that behavior breaks out into the rest of the world. It's no different from how a bear in the streets of a town is news, but a bear in the woods is not news.
So they're upset they're getting hate on their "civilized" parts of the internet?
1st world problems.
It could be pointed out that the threat of rape against females is overused in storytelling. To show how "villainous" a villain is - he will rape a woman.
It's funny because I find this trope more offensive to men than to women. If you've read a story or played a video game in which a villainous female raped another person (any gender) - you might do a doubletake since it is such an underused trope for female villains.
"Bad guys" - quite literally bad men - tend to have their level of evil-ness measured by how rape-y they are. As if a man who is evil couldn't be opposed to rape. It'd be more interesting to see an evil male character who is legitimately against rape.
Is killing and the threat of killing also overused? A lot of games consist mostly of killing. And in a lot of cases, the evil guy kills innocent people. That is pretty much accepted. Torture is another trope widely used. Overused?
In the end, there are a bunch of tropes which are a quick way of making it very explicit that this person is evil -- and they get used over and over again.
To single out rape and claiming it's sexist sounds extremely biased to me.
Rape threats by females against males are much harder to work with, because of the physical strength difference. I've seen it (Buffy comes to mind: WillowVamp on Angel), but it's rare, because it's also much rarer in reality. As for DA, there is some ambigiouty of how Fenris was mistreated. A different angle is the mind-control magic by lust demons -- it has touches of mind rape. Then there's the dark ritual where Morrigan basicly requests to have sex with a person who hates her, in order to to receive his child. Not rape, but definately uncomfortable for Alistair.
As for the villains being all rapey: I think Bioware has a lot of very nuanced evil characters which aren't all that rapey. Loghain is a pretty good villain, and so is the Arishok.
So I think there are a lot of variations of what BioWare does, and just saying "oh, rape against women, sexist game" sounds to me like "oh, there's killing, horrible unethical game".
But to acknowledge that and look into the story and the context of the game requires an analysis which is far, far far beyond the superficial level of criticism that femfrequency offers.
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