Bonus: he may be able to slaughter his way through an entire horde from darkest Gaul, but he can also do puppy eyes on occasion.
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Alright where is SandalistheMaker....and you, too, EyesonlyII
Since you like the whole "lawful good", "noble good"...can't be dashing must be Ser Loras type...you're telling me you smartypants would kick this guy out for being "too dashing"??? --or in Eyesonly case he has too much hair.
^Of course not, but then again we've never had a companion yet that I have wanted to kick to the curb.
I'm not against a dashing gay rogue, and if we get one then fine. I'm sure I would like him, but a gay KISA warrior is still something I really want to see.
Also, Daario has the perfect amount of facial hair IMO.
^Of course not, but then again we've never had a companion yet that I have wanted to kick to the curb.
I'm not against a dashing gay rogue, and if we get one then fine. I'm sure I would like him, but a gay KISA warrior is still something I really want to see.
Also, Daario has the perfect amount of facial hair IMO.
Yes, yes he does. 
But you and I (or maybe it was the other Qunari avatar guy--eek) were saying it was more important to have a warrior than a rogue...and Daario is a warrior.
Also, totally OT, but at first I didn't like the new Darrio but now I like him better--what about you?
I feel like Zobert continues to miss a major point: No one is saying that a gay KISA is the only LI that we want. It's just one type that we want. Daario is attractive, but he's not a KISA. So, yes, he's great. No, he doesn't fill the desire to have a gay KISA.
Yes, yes he does.
But you and I (or maybe it was the other Qunari avatar guy--eek) were saying it was more important to have a warrior than a rogue...and Daario is a warrior.
Also, totally OT, but at first I didn't like the new Darrio but now I like him better--what about you?
Yeah, I guess he is a warrior. Hm.... a dashing warrior. Have we had one of those in DA? Don't think so.
Well, I'm no GoT buff, but he's okay. New Daario's look is certainly a ba-gillion times better than old Daario's look. lol
I am surprised by Kaidan appreciation in this thread. I've thought he is hated by the majority of ME players.
I just found this on Youtube that might interest some Kaidan fans 
Kinda been there, done that, don't you think? What with Cole and Anders doing just that already. I'm more interested in something like a Mage (I guess he's not a Magister) who witnessed something so traumatising that it completely destroyed his desire to have anything to do with magic (or maybe he tried, but he has a psychological block). And that Mage lives in Tevinter, I mean, how do you stay away from magic in Tevinter? Maybe his quest line deals with Tranquility or something sinister like that.
I like the concept, and I would like to see a gay character like that in addition to a gay KISA. (Alas two gay characters might be too much for some fans.)
Yeah, I guess he is a warrior. Hm.... a dashing warrior. Have we had one of those in DA? Don't think so.
Well, I'm no GoT buff, but he's okay. New Daario's look is certainly a ba-gillion times better than old Daario's look. lol
Totally agreed about how much better NuDaario is over FabioDaario.
I am surprised by Kaidan appreciation in this thread. I've thought he is hated by the majority of ME players.
I just found this on Youtube that might interest some Kaidan fans
<swoon> over Kaidan. I don't care if people think he's boring. He is the best m/m character in Bioware history.
I feel like Zobert continues to miss a major point: No one is saying that a gay KISA is the only LI that we want. It's just one type that we want. Daario is attractive, but he's not a KISA. So, yes, he's great. No, he doesn't fill the desire to have a gay KISA.
I'm still on the KISA--because I'm not seeing how Dorian isn't one (noble, loyal to the death, puts others before himself) but I was told--he's a mage and you want a warrior, so..okay...moving on from that I continue to lurk and see how Cullen who admits he has a drug issue, who has in the past been a majorly conflicted type is a KISA because all of a sudden--you can be a warrior who goes dark but comes out of it..okay so what's the diff?
What is a KISA? I'm not arguing gay KISAs just KISA because "gay" has nothing to do with KISA it's just what the next KISA is potentially in terms of LI.
I am a longtime D&Dr and I find this interesting what you guys think a KISA is because I don't get it if Cullen is one.
Alastair, yes, Cullen, no.
Just "curious".
What is a KISA? I'm not arguing gay KISAs just KISA because "gay" has nothing to do with KISA it's just what the next KISA is potentially in terms of LI.
It's been covered about a billion times throughout the thread.
Yeah, I guess he is a warrior. Hm.... a dashing warrior. Have we had one of those in DA? Don't think so.
Well, I'm no GoT buff, but he's okay. New Daario's look is certainly a ba-gillion times better than old Daario's look. lol
Not a gay one (warrior), no. You're right. I still like Dorian, as you know, and if he held a sword I think he fits because Knight can still be dashing (I think).
Renley was dashing even if Ser Loras is not.
It's been covered about a billion times throughout the thread.
With like a billion different answers.
I am surprised by Kaidan appreciation in this thread. I've thought he is hated by the majority of ME players.
I just found this on Youtube that might interest some Kaidan fans
I like the concept, and I would like to see a gay character like that in addition to a gay KISA. (Alas two gay characters might be too much for some fans.)
Really? IMO it would be a given that he'd be popular in this thread.
He has a lot of the characteristics of a KISA.
I may be generalizing, but here goes: The 'majority' of ME players are most likely dudes who would rather save a girl that has the hots for their MShep instead of another guy who likes to talk about his feelings.
I'm willing to bet the majority of gay guys left Ash with the bomb, though. I certainly did. Haha.
I've only left Kaidan to die about twice myself once when I was trying the Ash romance and I plan to do it again when I put my Shepard with Thane since I really can't say no to Kaidan its too hard to do for me. Guess this post wasn't really on topic huh? Sorry^^;
Oh off topic update my rp buddy was totally fine with my character being a gay KISA type though then again she's not my main but they seemed open to letting me switch to using her if I wanted.
Yes, yes he does.
But you and I (or maybe it was the other Qunari avatar guy--eek) were saying it was more important to have a warrior than a rogue...and Daario is a warrior.
Also, totally OT, but at first I didn't like the new Darrio but now I like him better--what about you?
It's less Kaidan specific hate (although I'm sure there's a lot of straight guys who just save Ashley for the sake of eye candy) and more that the Mass Effect fan base is pretty anti-human. Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda, Jacob, Jack, and James all have pretty vocal detractors. (Compare them to the fanbase golden children: Liara, Tali, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, and Wrex who are all aliens.) Really the only humans who escape the human hate are Zaeed and Kasumi and that's probably because they have limited roles and a lot of people don't have them in their games.
But I'm not surprised that Kaidan's popular here. Most of us are interesting in M/M romances and Kaidan has a very KISA. (Although he uses space-magic so he shouldn't be counted by our more dogmatic purists.)
Disagree. And it really doesn't make sense to save Ashley at all. Kaidan is the higher ranking officer and he's also a (particularly powerful) human biotic. The Alliance would probably not be very happy about Shepard leaving him behind instead of a run-of-the-mill gunnery chief. Plus Kaidan is the one with tech expertise, so he's the logical choice to arm the bomb, and choosing the help the Salarians and leave the bomb guarded by a single soldier when it's the whole purpose of the mission is completely irrational.
I'm glad they give us the options for the sake of role playing and replay value (which is the only reason Ashley made it through this time), but any path beyond assign Kaidan to arm the bomb and then choosing to protect the bomb/save Kaidan is pretty nonsensical since Shepard is an Alliance soldier.
The Alliance doesn't care one way or the other who you leave behind. Technically, they have no say anyway since the ship and crew are under the command of a SPECTRE. But saving Ashley just has a better story to it, from her being a survivor at the expense of another again to her clearing the Williams name which was blacklisted due to her grandfather by becoming an officer and later the second human SPECTRE. Meanwhile Kaidan doesn't really have anything but is just there being an Alliance soldier and later SPECTRE.
It makes more sense to go to the AA gun actually for a couple reasons. One, it makes the encounter with Saren make more sense since it has him holding you by the neck over the edge of the tower rather than a couple inches off the ground. Two, Captain Kirrahe and his men are at the AA gun if they survive up to that point so explains how they got onto the Normandy.
I do agree that Kaidan is the better choice to arm the bomb because he knows it better. And Ashley is better at leading the one STG company since she is the better soldier.
Kaidan/Ashley aren't the only ones to guard the bomb. There are some nameless troops from the Normandy that guard it as well, but have all been killed by the time you either get there or leave Virmire.
Overall though, having to choose was stupid. There weremany things that could have been done to save both, but the story puts on the dunce hat so you have to experience the loss of a companion.
Eh you can make a decent argument for going to either the AA tower or the bomb site. I usually go to the bomb site because if it doesn't go off because the geth managed to disable it the whole mission is for naught.
Not a gay one (warrior), no. You're right. I still like Dorian, as you know, and if he held a sword I think he fits because Knight can still be dashing (I think).
Renley was dashing even if Ser Loras is not.
People want physicality. Alistair isn't a strong personality, but he bashes things in the face with a giant metal rod as a vocational choice. A knight is about that aspect of masculinity. Dorian, for all his desirable qualities, doesn't bash things in the face.
This is why for example Robin Hood isn't a KISA but Ivanhoe is one (despite, say, the clearly ridiculous racism and other period related stuff).
Alright where is SandalistheMaker....and you, too, EyesonlyII
Since you like the whole "lawful good", "noble good"...can't be dashing must be Ser Loras type...you're telling me you smartypants would kick this guy out for being "too dashing"??? --or in Eyesonly case he has too much hair.
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To be fair, his hair is approaching my acceptable limit, but then again, it isn't a hard and fast rule. Unfortunately I don't watch Game of Thrones, so aside from this picture I have no idea who he is or his personality.
Again, Dorian doesn't count primarily because his game file itself says that his archetype was a dashing rouge, therefore not a KISA. As Exile said above, physicality is part of it (and he actually does hit things with his staff in his opening scene), and a mage doesn't have the physicality that a knight is generally understood to have.
Stating that Alistair counts, but Cullen doesn't due to the latter's "addiction" is completely unfair. Because if Cullen doesn't count due to lyrium, then Alistair can't either, and to extend that out, no Templar ever would be a KISA. As for having a dark past and overcoming it, I think that just adds to the KISA flavor. I mean you see much talk about Kaidan in this thread, and his past is about as dark as you can imagine: shady government experimental training camp where he killed an instructor and he tells you after that he dropped out of the scene for a bit and went through some things before coming back. After all that, he is one of, if not the most well adjusted and compassionate person on the ship. Even going so far as to in ME3 see that not all Cerberus people are terrible people, and thus it reaffirms his trust in Shepard.
It has been 10 years since the blight and Cullen has had a lot happen to him in that time. From being imprisoned by a mage rebellion in the tower he was stationed at, to seeing the worst of both his Order and the Circle, and to top it off, to make the decision to rip the leash off his neck, he has matured through that process and sees how he has previously hurt others with his action and inaction.
As has been said numerous times in this thread. Dorian is a great character, and we love him. But he is not a Knight in Shining Armor. He has a novle heart, but not the right attitude to go with it.
I hate to ask an OT question about something so dumb but could a KISA character have a phobia and still be considered a KISA or is being 'fearless' part of the KISA type?
I hate to ask an OT question about something so dumb but could a KISA character have a phobia and still be considered a KISA or is being 'fearless' part of the KISA type?
I would say it depends on the phobia, but generally speaking, I don't see it as a problem. I mean a KISA shouldn't be perfect, because that makes a character boring.
Like if they had hydrophobia and couldn't swim, I could see it. Or better yet, arachnophobia, and thus couldn't be taken on any mission that involved spiders.
I would say it depends on the phobia, but generally speaking, I don't see it as a problem. I mean a KISA shouldn't be perfect, because that makes a character boring.
Like if they had hydrophobia and couldn't swim, I could see it. Or better yet, arachnophobia, and thus couldn't be taken on any mission that involved spiders.
I see that helps a little thanks. It's honestly for the character I was working on shes maybe a bit young for a KISA but I realized making her I kind of gave her cynophobia from a childhood incident so she's probably less knightly than what I first thought^^;
Thanks for the answer and sorry again for the OT question
I think the description of a KISA lies in the name itself: Knight in Shining Armour. Therefore, my interpretation of a KISA is simply a person with noble attitude clad in heavy armour. That's why i suggested my mage idea earlier, because to me magic is irrelevant when it comes to a KISA - how he is percieved is what really matter.
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