7155 réponses à ce sujet

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A Spartacus type. Former Tevinter slave, turned rebel against the Imperium, or some other country that uses slaves. That could be a city elf KISA.

So...Fenris? Except a KISA.

[stop_him]

So...Fenris? Except a KISA.

I forgot about DA2. It was so bad that I wiped it from memory. (Stinky human PC)

[daveliam]

A Spartacus type. Former Tevinter slave, turned rebel against the Imperium, or some other country that uses slaves. That could be a city elf KISA.

 

I love the idea of a Spartacus type Tevinter slave.  I'm not sure if that goes really well with the KISA type, but I'm sure that they could make it work (especially since slave rebellions usually involve some level of grey morals as hundreds of innocents get slaughtered on both ends).  I'm not a huge fan of elves in general, but I like them more when they aren't mages or rogues.  This sounds like a great way to get me interested in an elf!

[FadelessRipley]

This thread is fascinating. Now, I haven't read all 100+ pages, so be gentle...

Are people who want gay lady KISAs allowed? Someone along the lines of Aveline or Cassandra would be dreamy (I saw a bit if debate about why Cassandra/Seekers wouldn't count, and that's cool.) Though to be honest, all my PCs tend to be the KISA, so the grey roguish types suit them down to the ground. Leliana is a perfect compliment for my Warden, for example. I love the Warrior class, and am honestly rubbish at any other!

My protagonists are witty, charming noble types. Literally in the sense of the Warden (Cousland, wave hello to my avatar!), but I mean in personality. They CAN make tough choices, but are nowhere near the flexible levels of morality that Leliana can achieve, for example. They will never sacrifice Redcliffe, Conor, Dalish, etc in Origins; Hawke will never abuse the Qunari prisoners, etc. They're always rushing to the rescue of all and sundry, too.

However that's all headcanon. I get that the point of this thread is to see a companion/NPC LI fit this role and also not be straight. It had never actually occurred to me before that all non straight companions/LIs were non warriors. Interesting to think about.

[Grieving Natashina]

Lesbian and bisexual ideas are also welcome.  

 

And welcome to the thread!  

 

This thread is fascinating. Now, I haven't read all 100+ pages, so be gentle... 

Are people who want gay lady KISAs allowed?   Someone along the lines of Aveline or Cassandra would be dreamy (I saw a bit if debate about why Cassandra/Seekers wouldn't count, and that's cool.) Though to be honest, all my PCs tend to be the KISA, so the grey roguish types suit them down to the ground. Leliana is a perfect compliment for my Warden, for example. I love the Warrior class, and am honestly rubbish at any other!

My protagonists are witty, charming noble types. Literally in the sense of the Warden (Cousland, wave hello to my avatar!), but I mean in personality. They CAN make tough choices, but are nowhere near the flexible levels of morality that Leliana can achieve, for example. They will never sacrifice Redcliffe, Conor, Dalish, etc in Origins; Hawke will never abuse the Qunari prisoners, etc. They're always rushing to the rescue of all and sundry, too.

However that's all headcanon. I get that the point of this thread is to see a companion/NPC LI fit this role and also not be straight. It had never actually occurred to me before that all non straight companions/LIs were non warriors. Interesting to think about.

There is one exception.  Iron Bull is a warrior.  However, while I adore him and he's my favorite romance, a KISA he ain't.  

[daveliam]

This thread is fascinating. Now, I haven't read all 100+ pages, so be gentle...

Are people who want gay lady KISAs allowed? Someone along the lines of Aveline or Cassandra would be dreamy (I saw a bit if debate about why Cassandra/Seekers wouldn't count, and that's cool.) Though to be honest, all my PCs tend to be the KISA, so the grey roguish types suit them down to the ground. Leliana is a perfect compliment for my Warden, for example. I love the Warrior class, and am honestly rubbish at any other!

My protagonists are witty, charming noble types. Literally in the sense of the Warden (Cousland, wave hello to my avatar!), but I mean in personality. They CAN make tough choices, but are nowhere near the flexible levels of morality that Leliana can achieve, for example. They will never sacrifice Redcliffe, Conor, Dalish, etc in Origins; Hawke will never abuse the Qunari prisoners, etc. They're always rushing to the rescue of all and sundry, too.

However that's all headcanon. I get that the point of this thread is to see a companion/NPC LI fit this role and also not be straight. It had never actually occurred to me before that all non straight companions/LIs were non warriors. Interesting to think about.

 

That's totally what I've been doing as well:  creating gay KISA's as my PC's to make up for the fact that there isn't one in the s/s LI pool.  For me, though, I think that if there were a s/s KISA, I'd totally end up romancing him as another gay KISA for my canon playthrough.  I love the 'brothers-in-arms' KISA couple thing.  It's why I was totally enthralled by Julien and Nicolas in The Calling.  (Although, to be honest, I'd probably make a 'dashing rogue' type for a lady KISA, if we get a gal instead of a guy)

[sandalisthemaker]

This thread is fascinating. Now, I haven't read all 100+ pages, so be gentle...

Are people who want gay lady KISAs allowed?

 

Of course! Feel free to contribute any ideas. 

[FadelessRipley]

Lesbian and bisexual ideas are also welcome.  
 
And welcome to the thread!  

There is one exception.  Iron Bull is a warrior.  However, while I adore him and he's my favorite romance, a KISA he ain't.  

Ha, yes, I should have said KISA instead of warrior there! I'm trying to think what I'd like to see... I do think Aveline is possibly the best current model we have to work with. It rather depends how rigid your interpretation of the KISA archetype is I guess... Is absolutely NO deviation from noble/honourable/good actions accepted? My Dragon Age PCs probably fit in well enough there. They go to great lengths to avoid innocent bloodshed - the Warden in the Circle Tower for example. Any darker actions they take is done for a "good" reason, as opposed to gain or benefit. The Warden will always kill Marjolaine for example, as she does not trust Leliana will be safe. Hawke will kill the Qunari who attempt to capture Ketojan once diplomacy had failed, because she believes he should be free. And so on...

I'm pondering my ideal KISA LI backstory now! It's funny, as in RPGs I do like to BE the KISA rather than romance one - I wonder would I even do so. I could probably psychoanalyse that and apply it to my own love life too.

[sandalisthemaker]

Ha, yes, I should have said KISA instead of warrior there! I'm trying to think what I'd like to see... I do think Aveline is possibly the best current model we have to work with. It rather depends how rigid your interpretation of the KISA archetype is I guess... Is absolutely NO deviation from noble/honourable/good actions accepted? 

 

When it comes to companions, for me personally a bit of deviation is okay. Whether it be a dark past, or even some current flaw or slight subversion of the archetype would be okay.  Especially in a setting like Dragon Age. This series has its share of darkness, and plus, if a character is so squeaky clean as to be spotless, then I think people would cry out that the character is dull and boring. 

 

I would prefer that any potential gay and/or lesbian and/or bisexual  KISAs  *not* be considered boring by the fandom. 

[FadelessRipley]

Fair enough. Loyalty is an important trait, hence some of my less noble decisions. Like sparing Anders... :/

[DirkJake]

That's totally what I've been doing as well:  creating gay KISA's as my PC's to make up for the fact that there isn't one in the s/s LI pool.  For me, though, I think that if there were a s/s KISA, I'd totally end up romancing him as another gay KISA for my canon playthrough.  I love the 'brothers-in-arms' KISA couple thing.  It's why I was totally enthralled by Julien and Nicolas in The Calling.  (Although, to be honest, I'd probably make a 'dashing rogue' type for a lady KISA, if we get a gal instead of a guy)

 

Totally this. This would be the first thing I do when Bioware adds a gay KISA as a companion and LI. I am going to always add this guy to my party every time and do romance with him in every play through until I am bored. I really need this.

[sandalisthemaker]

Fair enough. Loyalty is an important trait, hence some of my less noble decisions. Like sparing Anders... :/

 

I don't fault anyone for sparing Anders. I'm about evenly split between sparing him and killing him.  I even ran away with him once on one radical pro-mage run. 

 

He is a deeply, deeply troubled individual. His end-game actions are inexcusable to me, but it is easy to see how and why he ended up down the path he took. That his heart and soul aches for his fellow mages, is quite obviously apparent. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't know why anyone thought that the regulars in this thread want someone perfect.  For one, that's boring as hell.  For another, this is Dragon Age we're talking about here.   They wouldn't have any character without some shenanigans in their past or in their attitude about the world at large.  Doubly so for the romances, most of the time.

 

Fair enough. Loyalty is an important trait, hence some of my less noble decisions. Like sparing Anders... :/

I like Anders, but I'm with you.  Even my pro-Templar/Agressive/Templar Hawke spared him.  If nothing else, I felt like he owed me some help cleaning up his mess.  I have trouble killing him in an actual game, but I have zero issues from killing him via the Keep.  I do it to avoid a disaster.   Minor spoiler:

 

Spoiler

Seb will try and sack Kirkwall if Anders is alive during the events of DA:I.   Great timing, jackass.    He annoyed me during DA2, outright p*ssed me off during the ending, and then pulls this crap.  

 

More on topic, Sebastian has been listed as a KISA example, but he's not without some major flaws.  His 7 year indecision to take back his home, his quick temper and his divided loyalty between the Chantry and his kingdom are all red flags.  However, that doesn't change how well he fits into the archetype, despite being a rogue.  I do have a class preference for a warrior, which is why I'm in here.  Still, I thought he would be a good example of a KISA with flaws.  

[sandalisthemaker]

I don't know why anyone thought that the regulars in this thread want someone perfect.  For one, that's boring as hell.  For another, this is Dragon Age we're talking about here.   They wouldn't have any character without some shenanigans in their past or in their attitude about the world at large.  Doubly so for the romances, most of the time.

 

I like Anders, but I'm with you.  Even my pro-Templar/Agressive/Templar Hawke spared him.  If nothing else, I felt like he owed me some help cleaning up his mess.  I have trouble killing him in an actual game, but I have zero issues from killing him via the Keep.  I do it to avoid a disaster.   Minor spoiler:

 

Spoiler

Seb will try and sack Kirkwall if Anders is alive during the events of DA:I.   Great timing, jackass.    He annoyed me during DA2, outright p*ssed me off during the ending, and then pulls this crap.  

 

More on topic, Sebastian has been listed as a KISA example, but he's not without some major flaws.  His 7 year indecision to take back his home, his quick temper and his divided loyalty between the Chantry and his kingdom are all red flags.  However, that doesn't change how well he fits into the archetype, despite being a rogue.  I do have a class preference for a warrior, which is why I'm in here.  Still, I thought he would be a good example of a KISA with flaws.  

 

 

You can kill Anders via a War Table mission????  In DA:I? 

[Grieving Natashina]

You can kill Anders via a War Table mission????  In DA:I? 

Sorry, that was a mistake.  I edited it because I meant the Keep.  Mea culpa.  

[ThreeF]

Spoiler

Seb will try and sack Kirkwall if Anders is alive during the events of DA:I.   Great timing, jackass.    He annoyed me during DA2, outright p*ssed me off during the ending, and then pulls this crap.  

Cullen will kick his butt.

[Zobert]

((runs in))

 

 

DORIAN IS A KISA.....

 

 

((runs out))

[daveliam]

More on topic, Sebastian has been listed as a KISA example, but he's not without some major flaws.  His 7 year indecision to take back his home, his quick temper and his divided loyalty between the Chantry and his kingdom are all red flags.  However, that doesn't change how well he fits into the archetype, despite being a rogue.  I do have a class preference for a warrior, which is why I'm in here.  Still, I thought he would be a good example of a KISA with flaws.  

 

I think all of the KISA types have had some flaws and I think that's what makes them more compelling characters than just one-dimensional KISAs.  For me, I don't mind a few areas where a character deviates from the archetype.  In fact, I like it.  But there comes a subjective point when a character deviates too much for me to still consider them a KISA. 

 

All of that being said, Kaidan is the one that most people say is very 'typical' of the archetype and is 'boring' and I can't get enough of that guy, so who knows?

[ThreeF]

All of that being said, Kaidan is the one that most people say is very 'typical' of the archetype and is 'boring' .

Yeah, because typically it's the flaws that make a character interesting. It's sort of why the villains sometimes are considered to be more interesting than heroes.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think all of the KISA types have had some flaws and I think that's what makes them more compelling characters than just one-dimensional KISAs.  For me, I don't mind a few areas where a character deviates from the archetype.  In fact, I like it.  But there comes a subjective point when a character deviates too much for me to still consider them a KISA. 

 

All of that being said, Kaidan is the one that most people say is very 'typical' of the archetype and is 'boring' and I can't get enough of that guy, so who knows?

I didn't think Kaidan was that boring.  He just wasn't for me.  <shrug>  He is a classic version of the archetype, only IN SPACE!

 

Personally, I'd want someone that has some flaws.  Please don't get me wrong, as I do really like Alistair.  However, he's only major flaws seemed to be a sense of being naive.  I can't call his innocence and lack of world experience flaws, and I won't devalue the character like that.  Yet, I would like someone a little more world-wise and world weary without falling too far outside of the archetype.  More of a Knight In Slightly Worn Armor.  Okay, it doesn't roll off the tongue like a KISA does.

 

That's part of the reason why I love both the Legion of the Dead and the lady blacksmith ideas.  This gives a lot of room for the writers to create a gay/bisexual KISA depth, honor and flaws.  I mainly talk about the gay/bisexual male PCs having that option, because I could easily see BioWare making the first non-hetero KISA for non-hetero women and straight men.  I'd rather see the gay/bisexual men have their turn first.  

 

I'd love both a gay/bisexual male and a lesbian/bisexual lady, but that seems unlikely.   

[stop_him]

Another idea: a Ben-Hassrath (defined as protecting the faith and the innocent) qunari who hunts down Tal-Vashoth. Can fit esp, if he believes he is honestly doing the right (noble) thing, or if most Tal-Vashoth really are bloodthirsty bandits. He can have a giant sword.

 

A Ben-Hassarath may challenge his targets to die via noble one on one fight instead of assassination, or bring a team with him to do battle against a horde.

Yeah, because typically it's the flaws that make a character interesting. It's sort of why the villains sometimes are considered to be more interesting than heroes.

 

Boo. "Boring" men are usually the stable ones that stick around and make good husbands. I prefer that type of romance in game, which is why Cullen is my fav romance in DAI (and some critics say he is boring, too).

 

Anyone remember Carth Onasi from SW:KOTOR? He's KISA, right? (Loved him.) Let the great (pointless) debate continue!

[sandalisthemaker]

Sorry, that was a mistake.  I edited it because I meant the Keep.  Mea culpa.  

 

Oh, okay.  I was was just about to rush to the DA wiki to see what I missed. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh, okay.  I was was just about to rush to the DA wiki to see what I missed. 

If that was an option, I don't think you'd have to go anywhere but here.  The forums would explode, with both outrage and unbridled glee.  

[daveliam]

Another idea: a Ben-Hassrath (defined as protecting the faith and the innocent) qunari who hunts down Tal-Vashoth. Can fit esp, if he believes he is honestly doing the right (noble) thing, or if most Tal-Vashoth really are bloodthirsty bandits. He can have a giant sword.

 

A Ben-Hassarath may or may not challenge his targets to die via noble one on one fight instead of assassination, or bring a team with him to do battle.

 

That could work.  I can definitely see how a character like that could adhere to a rigid code and see himself as 'righteous' in a way.  Are Ben-Hassrath able to have romances?

 

Thinking of character like this, I know that we've spoken about ME characters that might be KISAs (and I'm keenly aware that I tried to shift away from this very type of discussion), but would people consider Samara to be a KISA?  I can't remember her coming up before.

[stop_him]

That could work.  I can definitely see how a character like that could adhere to a rigid code and see himself as 'righteous' in a way.  Are Ben-Hassrath able to have romances?

 

Isn't IB one?