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[DaySeeker]

I feel like the closest we've gotten to Knight in Shining Armor in DA is Sebastian, who sucked as a romance; you can't look at or flirt with anyone ever, and you must pledge your life and chastity to the Chantry.  I think this highlights the problem with the Knight in a realistic universe, why is he so dedicated to an idea above all, where is there room for the rest of human emotions?  Knights are aloof and separate, compassionate, handsome, perfectly dedicated, but to ideals and not people.  Using Loras who in the TV series is a bit catty, very focused on his appearance, and his own view of himself as the premier knight gives him a bit more humanity and some flaws. KISA has no flaws except perhaps his compassion and dedication.

 

I'd actually much more like to see a gay warrior who is quanari, barbarian, or dwarf because I think it'd be interesting to see how they navigate their own cuture that seems to have rigid societal stratas.  I don't need them to be ultra masculine and gay, or hugely muscled (although that would be nice).  I think the KISA is a difficult character because there is nowhere to go with him, there are no surprises it's all noble sacrifice and armor polishing.

[Vindicare175]

So let's see. 

They've got bisexual, heterosexual, homosexual and pansexual

They're looking into asexual

No indication of looking into others, like demisexual

 

Why must we include every real world sexuality ? We have Straight/Bi/Gay , What others could we possibly need and for what reason would we need to even include them?

[Hellion Rex]

Why must we include every real world sexuality ? We have Straight/Bi/Gay , What others could we possibly need and for what reason would we need to even include them?

And why can't we add more? And for the record, we also have pansexual now, in the form of Iron Bull.

[In Exile]

Why must we include every real world sexuality ? We have Straight/Bi/Gay , What others could we possibly need and for what reason would we need to even include them?

 

Because greater representation is a laudable goal in and of itself?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

If I understand demisexuality correctly, couldn't a person be both bisexual AND demisexual? Or any of the other above listed orientations AND demisexual? We have no indication that demisexuality is off the table. Also, couldn't Merrill be construed as a demisexual bisexual woman?

No, it is it's own specific sexuality. 

I never said it was off the table. I said there is no indication Bioware is looking into it. 

 

That does seem correct. Being Demisexual can be considered a bit of a sub-sexuality. It can be part of any other sexuality. It only implies romantic feelings upon closeness, not necessarily sexual ones so an ace can be in the subset as well. 

 

Sexuality is such a complicated beast. So hard to explain sometimes.

You're thinking of romantic orientation, not sexual orientation. For example bisexual and biromantic are two different things. Often connected yes, but still different. 

 

Why must we include every real world sexuality ? We have Straight/Bi/Gay , What others could we possibly need and for what reason would we need to even include them?

Because such people exist in the real world, and thus there is no reason to not have it appear in a virtual world as well. 

[Icy Magebane]

Polysexual? Huh, that's a new one for me. I knew about demi, but never heard of poly.

 

And I agree about an asexual romance. I think it's a definite possibility, as Gaider and Weekes both talked about it this past GaymerX at the romance panel.

I'd never even heard of polysexual until it was just mentioned in this thread and I still don't really understand what "pansexual" is... I did a google search of "polysexual" and saw references to things like "ambisexual" and "omnisexual..."  Wth... I'm all for representation, but things used to be a lot simpler...   There might not even be enough NPCs in the game to have 1 character of each sexuality...

[Br3admax]

Pansexual is when you care more about the person than their gender or how they look. It's an ideal most of the time from what I've seen and never really true. For most people anyway. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I think the poster was talking about polyamory relationships.  IIRC, David, Patrick and others had mentioned at GaymerX that they had thought about something like that, and the result was the amount of dialogue just became too damned staggering and unmanageable.

[Br3admax]

Well they said they were confused on both, but as I don't want to begin knowing what polysexual really means, I explained the one I already did. 

[DaySeeker]

And why can't we add more? And for the record, we also have pansexual now, in the form of Iron Bull.

 

Pansexual is a term one chooses for oneself, has he declared it?

 

edit: In terms of character multiple sexualities could be interesting, as a goal I don't see it as being productive, but instead, reductive.  Having love interests open to hetero and homosexual romances seems fair, but what if the gay romance demanded polyamory, what if the one you liked was straight, but asexual, seems too exclusive to me, especially for a game that is, at it's core, a fantasy RPG.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Pansexual is a term one chooses for oneself, has he declared it?

His writer Patrick Weekes confirmed The Iron Bull is pansexual. 

[TheSeekerofLulz]

Pansexual is a term one chooses for oneself, has he declared it?

I'm a little confused on the idea of pansexuality. How does one "choose" it? Sexuality isn't a choice. 

[In Exile]

I'm a little confused on the idea of pansexuality. How does one "choose" it? Sexuality isn't a choice. 

 

The poster is just asking if the IB filled out Form 27-B, "Declaration of Sexuality". It's part of the "Welcome to the Inquisition" Orientation package.

[TheSeekerofLulz]

That would make more sense. That's just not what the post says. Threw me off a little. 

[Icy Magebane]

Pansexual is when you care more about the person than their gender or how they look. It's an ideal most of the time from what I've seen and never really true. For most people anyway. 

See, that just sounds like it would be bisexual to me... open to both genders.  Also, isn't demi-sexual the one where the person is bisexual but they place emotional attachment over physical attraction?  These additional orientations seem like they are mainly addressing various levels of emotional intimacy rather than gender preference...

 

Also, just so that I'm a bit more on-topic, I've been attempting to come up with examples of gay or lesbian knights in shining armor, but I've had no luck... the best I've been able to come up with was... wait, actually... Lightning Lass from Legion of Super-Heroes.  She fits the bill, since she's mainly a "warrior" archetype superhero.  I was stuck on Element Lad (more of a mage, really) and Apollo and Midnighter.  Those two are warriors, no doubt, but they are kind of violent in spite of being paragons of justice and order, so I don't know if they can be counted... and if superheroes don't count at all, then I'm back to zero examples... lol

[daveliam]

 

 

No, it is it's own specific sexuality. 

I never said it was off the table. I said there is no indication Bioware is looking into it. 

 

You're thinking of romantic orientation, not sexual orientation. For example bisexual and biromantic are two different things. Often connected yes, but still different. 

 

 

 

 

I know that we are totally off topic at this point, but I have to ask:  How is demisexuality its own orientation?  My understanding of it is that it means that the person needs to form a romantic attachment to a person before becoming sexually interested in them?  Is that not the case?  If it is, then how is it its own orientation?  Wouldn't you still have an orientation towards specific (or all or anything in between or besides I guess) genders or sexes?  Like, if I were demisexual but only interested in females, wouldn't I be heterosexual still? 

 

I have to admit, I'm very open and accepting of all sexual orientations, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to differentiate between the nuanced differences in some of these examples.  Pansexuality and bisexuality are so similar to me; I really don't see much of a functional difference.  I mean, I guess that there are bisexual people out there who wouldn't be attracted to people who don't identify as either gender, but for the purposes of the game, what is the functional difference for Iron Bull?  Would Josephine really behave any differently than Iron Bull?  Polysexual?  How is that any different than the others?  I want to understand, but I haven't been provided with a good definition that makes me understand any better. 

[Lady Nuggins]

See, that just sounds like it would be bisexual to me... open to both genders.  Also, isn't demi-sexual the one where the person is bisexual but they place emotional attachment over physical attraction?  These additional orientations seem like they are mainly addressing various levels of emotional intimacy rather than gender preference...

 

Also, just so that I'm a bit more on-topic, I've been attempting to come up with examples of gay or lesbian knights in shining armor, but I've had no luck... the best I've been able to come up with was... wait, actually... Lightning Lass from Legion of Super-Heroes.  She fits the bill, since she's mainly a "warrior" archetype superhero.  I was stuck on Element Lad (more of a mage, really) and Apollo and Midnighter.  Those two are warriors, no doubt, but they are kind of violent in spite of being paragons of justice and order, so I don't know if they can be counted... and if superheroes don't count at all, then I'm back to zero examples... lol

 

Bisexual and pansexual are extremely similar terms, and it is really down to personal choice which term people prefer to use.  Pansexual is meant to be inclusive of any nonbinary gender (people who don't identify as male or female, or as a mix of both, or who are trans).  However, bisexual folks have pointed out that "bi" can mean "attracted to the same and different" genders, which mean it isn't limited to two strictly binary genders either.  

 

Basically the only way we can tell for sure whether IB is bisexual or pansexual is the fact that his writer declared it.  Otherwise, there would be no way to know for sure.

 

Back on topic, though, I am so on board with the OP's request.  Cassandra and Aveline are the exact type of character that I desperately wish to romance as a female PC.

[Hellion Rex]

A bit off topic, but I wouldn't mind having a gay templar as a future romance. And this afternoon, in a sneak peek of a new trailer, we got an image of a rather attractive very dark skinned Templar that got me thinking about having a Templar as an actual gay romance.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[AlexiaRevan]

 

I feel like the closest we've gotten to Knight in Shining Armor in DA is Sebastian, who sucked as a romance; you can't look at or flirt with anyone ever, and you must pledge your life and chastity to the Chantry. I think this highlights the problem with the Knight in a realistic universe, why is he so dedicated to an idea above all, where is there room for the rest of human emotions? 

That goes back...to the Paladin idea . Where you marry one and you are marrying his temple . And you come as 2nd always . 

[daveliam]

A bit off topic, but I wouldn't mind having a gay templar as a future romance. And this afternoon, in a sneak peek of a new trailer, we got an image of a rather attractive very dark skinned Templar that got me thinking about having a Templar as an actual gay romance.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

He's dreamy and, yes, I could easily see myself enjoying a templar provided that he's not terribly oppressive.  I could even see a templar filling in the role of a KISA (I'm getting sick of spelling out "knight in shining armor", so I'm using KISA from now on.... ).

[Hellion Rex]

Ew.  Dark skin.  I draw the line there!

 

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.  This has been entirely too polite of a discussion for BSN.

Ummmmmm, ok.....

[daveliam]

Ummmmmm, ok.....

 

Poor taste joke.  I was spoofing the fact that ten pages into a thread like this there is usually a troll who comes in to derail.  My point clearly didn't get across though, so I'll go back and edit it.  No worries.

[Semyaza82]

A bit off topic, but I wouldn't mind having a gay templar as a future romance. And this afternoon, in a sneak peek of a new trailer, we got an image of a rather attractive very dark skinned Templar that got me thinking about having a Templar as an actual gay romance.

 

Spoiler

 

 

He is rather dishy. And actually a Templar could fit the trope very well. I know they get a bad rep (and i'm normally very pro mage in my playthroughs), but assuming they were not a rabid mage hating psycho and upheld the more noble goals of protecting people from actual evil mages, I think they'd fit it well.