Not sure if this was posted previously, but I got to looking for KISA definitions out of curiosity raised by this thread. The TV Tropes one is here.
"The medieval knight who fights baddies, whether knights or dragons, and in The Tourney, charms ladies without deliberately seducing them, behaves honorably, and saves the day with his sword; but also, any hero who behaves similarly. Invariably Lawful Good and honor bound."
Sounds pretty much like what we all want. 
A "gay knight" made gay for the sake of being gay's not that good of a character, in my opinion.
Just my two cents.
No, you make an interesting character that adheres to the 'knight' trope, then you make them romantically available to male pcs only. That's all that is to it.
But I also like masculine 'straight acting' guys. I'm personally very tired of being told that I'm pushing my internalized homophobia because I am attracted to masculine guys. I know that this homophobia exists in the community, but to paint everyone who acts or likes masculinity as homophobic is as narrow-minded and generalized as you are accusing others of.
Straight acting is a very problematic term. You want a homosexual male who is in every regard straight except he sleeps with men.
Even the word masculine can be problematic when one tries to define what it means in this day and age.
Straight acting is a very problematic term. You want a homosexual male who is in every regard straight except he sleeps with men.
Even the word masculine can be problematic when one tries to define what it means in this day and age.
I agree with the "straight acting" part, and with the terms masculine/feminine to an extent. But OTOH, how else can we describe it? I generally like "feminine" women, with exceptions here and there. There is absolutely nothing wrong with more "masculine" women (indeed I probably have a few of those characteristics myself, while remaining very much a cisgender gay woman), but I'm not attracted to most of those qualities. I think it's more the emphasis and importance placed on strict adherence to gender roles that's the problem, rather than the concepts themselves. Does that make sense...?
And as for "internalised homophobia", it's a phrase that really riles me up sometimes. I certainly know it exists - I had it myself for a long time. I'm constantly told I still do, mostly because of my religious views. It's often used against LGBTQ people when they don't conform to opinions that are seen as "mainstream" in the community, which is frankly insulting. However, I've never seen it used to describe a preference for a "straight acting" partner before. 
I hate the term 'straight acting'. I think it implies the people are being untrue to who they really are as if all gay men can't be masculine. As if we are pretending to be straight which is really not the case.Straight acting is a very problematic term. You want a homosexual male who is in every regard straight except he sleeps with men.
Even the word masculine can be problematic when one tries to define what it means in this day and age.
I hate the term 'straight acting'. I think it implies the people are being untrue to who they really are as if all gay men can't be masculine. As if we are pretending to be straight which is really not the case.
But I really don't see a problem with the term masculine. There are masculine men and feminine men and masculine women and feminine women and everything in between. And personally I think that's a great thing. As long as we don't place any judgment on that as if only one type of man or one type of woman is appropriate then I don't see a problem with acknowledging that masculine and feminine or concepts that we all can relate to in some capacity. And as much as there are masculine gay guys who devalue feminine gay guys, there are also feminine gay guys who villainize masculine gay guys.
I guess what I'm saying is that being masculine or preferring masculine man is not wrong. Devaluing feminine gay guys is wrong however, and vice versa. I don't see that happening in this thread which is why I don't think it's a problem.
Not sure if this was posted previously, but I got to looking for KISA definitions out of curiosity raised by this thread. The TV Tropes one is here.
"The medieval knight who fights baddies, whether knights or dragons, and in The Tourney, charms ladies and gentlemen without deliberately seducing them, behaves honorably, and saves the day with his sword; but also, any hero who behaves similarly. Invariably Lawful Good and honor bound."
Sounds pretty much like what we all want.
Hmm let me fix that for you 
*rolls in*
Hmm already more note taking needs to be done *scribbles up some notes*
Interesting.
*rides away on the back of a dragon made of horses*
Hmm let me fix that for you
BTW, slightly OT: I really like your thread on demisexuality. I mention it here as I feel I need to do it the service of reading the whole thread before posting, but it's 4:20am here and my head is starting to hurt, especially with side of the less, er, constructive comments. :s Thanks though - I learned something new.
But I'm open to learning, and you expressed yourself very well in your OP over there. Food for thought.
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoy it. Reactions like this are what make me glad that I made that thread. 
I figured I'd stop by while nursing my first cup of coffee and show off my warrior Valena, that just finished the game last night. My KISA to Bull's chaotic good tendencies. There is some spoilers from late in the game, but nothing too major. Valena was inspired by this thread, and she became my KISA. I even picked some lawful good decisions for this character I wouldn't have otherwise. Thank you all!
Spoiler alert: This particular screenshot will reveal a little bit of the end game. Click at your own risk.
The rest shouldn't reveal anything big:
For Solas here, I found a mod that turns Everknit Wool into a true black darker than Samite. So all of Solas' cloth slots are Everknit, with Obsidian metal. I figured the black was fitting for the end.
Ah really wish I could draw right now! Was attempting to go to sleep and as I semi drifted off started thinking about the more shallow end of things like if we did get a KISA the kind of design I would like or general design I think would look good and got two that wouldn't leave my head so I got up and am sharing it with you all 
Both KISA I was picturing were dwarfs but thats probably not a shocker to many that I went with dwarf, anyway the guy had really pretty deep deep green eyes kind of a pulled back hair style dark skin, a very flattering tattoo on his face and my mind kept switching between badass beard and stubble, he was a sword and shield warrior. The other KISA my mind kept throwing at me was a very pale woman with freckles all over the place, hazel eyes, a scar, and red hair with simple yet pretty braids and she was a two handed warrior. Sorry to have filled this thread with my ramblings again just really wanted to share these two images that wouldn't leave my head.
The other KISA my mind kept throwing at me was a very pale woman with freckles all over the place, hazel eyes, a scar, and red hair with simple yet pretty braids and she was a two handed warrior.
So basically she looks like Scout Harding?
So basically she looks like Scout Harding?
Actually I wasn't picturing her at all to be honest I'm shockingly not on the Scout Harding train like a lot of other people are. (Plus the dwarf I was picturing had simple nice braids not a mess of them )
Edit: Also I was picturing the red more closer to an Aveline red than anything (not that thats very important just felt like clarifying 
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Not to sound ungrateful but if we did have a KISA, can he's just happened to be gay instead of the storyline being revolved around that part of him? Steve's entire story is about his gay husband and get over his death then Dorian is about him being rejected by his parents for being gay. I want an everyday guy who just happens to be gay. A "sneaky" gay if you will. Someone who may mention about dating or have attraction to the same gender but don't define by their sexuality. Lesbians in generally have been avoiding this troop. Sera and Samantha's characters don't have anything to do with them being. They both mention about their sexual attractions to the same gender like how other straight characters like Varric do.
Not to sound ungrateful but if we did have a KISA, can he's just happened to be gay instead of the storyline being revolved around that part of him? Steve's entire story is about his gay husband and get over his death then Dorian is about him being rejected by his parents for being gay. I want an everyday guy who just happens to be gay. A "sneaky" gay if you will. Someone who may mention about dating or have attraction to the same gender but don't define by their sexuality. Lesbians in generally have been avoiding this troop. Sera and Samantha's characters don't have anything to do with them being. They both mention about their sexual attractions to the same gender like how other straight characters like Varric do.
I would also like the next gay guy in DA to not have his personal quest involve his sexuality. That being said, I think that they did Dorian's pretty well. His father's issue was more about his not being willing to 'play pretend' and go through the motions than it was about his sexuality, even if his sexuality was part of the reason why he wouldn't 'play pretend'. I think it was well-written and a story that many, many LGBT players can relate to. But, now that they've touched on that, it would be nice if they didn't continuously go back to that well for the gay guys.
Which is why I'd love a LoD or Dragon Hunter gay KISA who can just happen to be gay and his personal quest can be around his 'order' and not his sexuality.
I have to disagree with you about Steve, though. I didn't see Steve's story as having anything to do with his being gay. He was classic "Carth Syndrome" to me, just that his dead spouse was a dude and not a lady. I mean, outside of the joking banter between him and "Esteban", his sexuality was a total non-issue and I found that really refreshing. He was unapologetically gay, but it was treated like any other relationship. I guess to me, the difference would be:
A.) Steve is distraught over his dead husband and Shep helps him come to terms with his loss and grieve;
versus
B.) Steve is distraught over his dead husband because they were never able to reconcile with his family because of their disapproval of his sexuality and Shep helps him come to terms with his loss and grieve
So, since it's A and not B, I didn't actually see Steve's sexuality playing a role in his story at all. Does that make sense? It's super early here and I'm on my 9th straight day of work in a row......
About the LoD KISA. Is the reason why dwarves in general don't discuss sexuality because of them being totally okay with it or because of a 'don't ask don't tell' policy they have? I can't recall any dwarf openly discussing sexuality.
Man, I could dig a Dragon Hunter companion. What does LoD mean, though?
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About the LoD KISA. Is the reason why dwarves in general don't discuss sexuality because of them being totally okay with it or because of a 'don't ask don't tell' policy they have? I can't recall any dwarf openly discussing sexuality
Oghren: It's because we come from the Stone. When we come out of our mothers, we're small, round rocks. Pink-streaked rocks are girls, and gray ones are boys. The rocks must be dipped in lava for a few moments each day to keep warm. Every year, a few unlucky parents drop the rock into the lava and can't get it out. Very sad. But do it right, and in a few weeks, the rock cracks open, revealing a bouncing dwarven baby
Oghren: It's because we come from the Stone. When we come out of our mothers, we're small, round rocks. Pink-streaked rocks are girls, and gray ones are boys. The rocks must be dipped in lava for a few moments each day to keep warm. Every year, a few unlucky parents drop the rock into the lava and can't get it out. Very sad. But do it right, and in a few weeks, the rock cracks open, revealing a bouncing dwarven baby
So Dwarves don't talk about sexuality because they dropped their pet rock in the lava?
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So Dwarves don't talk about sexuality because they dropped their pet rock in the lava?
No, I was just joking about them "coming from the stone".
Eh, oh well. I don't know why they don't talk about it. I'm not sure that's entirely true either. Oghren's kind of a good source on a lot of that. He's lecherous, I mean. And his wife was in a lesbian relationship. He didn't really have a problem with it, other than her leaving him personally.
The only LGBT dwarves that we've seen are Branka and Hespith. It seems like everyone knows of the relationship but not much is said about it. Not sure if that means people don't care or that it's an open secret.
Isn't Harding flirtable by all?
Eh, oh well. I don't know why they don't talk about it. I'm not sure that's entirely true either. Oghren's kind of a good source on a lot of that. He's lecherous, I mean. And his wife was in a lesbian relationship. He didn't really have a problem with it, other than her leaving him personally.
I don't really account Oghren's opinion in the matter. As you said he has quite the dirty mind and plainly past out of excitement at the mere mention of a threesome between Isabella, Leliana and the female HoF. The amount of straight guys fantasising over lesbian couples doesn't make a good measuring tool for LGBT openness.
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