So according to you such think doesn't exist in DA at all. Everyone have flaws. And what Alistair do Loghain deserve, he responsible for Alistair "father figure' death. It's hard to forgive someone who kill your "father".
It was also treason. He betrayed his king.
Yeah, well just as a comic hero, Batman > Superman, any day of the week. Besides, Superman killed Zod in the last movie.
And Superman fan boys **** their pants over it, too.
Yes, but that's the law. Loghain betrayed and killed the king, created a civil war, and delaying how the Blight was reacted to. Execution for treason would still be lawful good. Loghain commited treason and broke the law.
If you don't do what Alistair wants he will just walk away and get drunk, greater good be damned. And to Alistair it's not about law, it's about Duncan and revenge (and ironically enough it's about loyalties but not loyalties to the crown).
About the virginity thing, you don't need to go to this extreme just to prove that gay people are not sex hungry deviants. There is a lot of room in between. And I don't know about others but I don't really want a 'gay Alistair', it would be a repeat, it would be interesting to have something different.
So according to you such think doesn't exist in DA at all. Everyone have flaws. And what Alistair do Loghain deserve, he responsible for Alistair "father figure' death. It's hard to forgive someone who kill your "father".
I wouldn't consider Alistair a KISA - as I don't consider any KISA I'd be interested in to be a follower. Not only does he defer to you the entire game - the only time he has an opinion is when it's self-serving. Never: "I'm mad because you didn't defend the honor of this random child." it's always "I only have an opinion because these people are related to me." My KISAs need to be much less self-serving.
I'd consider Sten far more of a KISA than Alistair even WITH his murdering of a farm family. He accepts guilt for the weakness that it was. Alistair becomes a freaking drunk because he can't accept how selfish he is (of course, if you pamper him and give him what he wants he's fine).
Cullen is ten times the man Alistair is in my opinion. He struggles with drug abuse, accepts he's not strong enough to fight it alone, and asks a close friend to assist him. That's being a KISA to me.
A KISA has to be cognizant of his flaws and accept the burden of his failure to overcome them. For me... that makes Cassandra, Aveline, Michel and Cullen to be squarely in the KISA category for me. With characters like Sten, Wynne, Greagor and even Cailan in the "close" category.
I'm saying if we hold Cullen to such a high standard, then we must to the same for Alistair and everyone else. This the only people without flaws, wouldn't be people, but the spirits that embody elements of a KISA. Justice, Valor, Faith, Compassion etc.
Hmmm...
I wouldn't consider Alistair a KISA - as I don't consider any KISA I'd be interested in to be a follower. Not only does he defer to you the entire game - the only time he has an opinion is when it's self-serving. Never: "I'm mad because you didn't defend the honor of this random child." it's always "I only have an opinion because these people are related to me." My KISAs need to be much less self-serving.
I'd consider Sten far more of a KISA than Alistair even WITH his murdering of a farm family. He accepts guilt for the weakness that it was. Alistair becomes a freaking drunk because he can't accept how selfish he is (of course, if you pamper him and give him what he wants he's fine).
Cullen is ten times the man Alistair is in my opinion. He struggles with drug abuse, accepts he's not strong enough to fight it alone, and asks a close friend to assist him. That's being a KISA to me.
A KISA has to be cognizant of his flaws and accept the burden of his failure to overcome them. For me... that makes Cassandra, Aveline, Michel and Cullen to be squarely in the KISA category for me. With characters like Sten, Wynne, Greagor and even Cailan in the "close" category.
The standards for KISA are rapidly extending beyond the mesosphere. I fear this height too great a distance for most KISA to survive. Cullen, Alistair, Cassandra and Aveline will perish in the emptiness of space with such standards. Only Lord Woolsley in all his majesty can survive.
@stop_him: "It is a kingdom of conscience, or nothing." Balian, Kingdom of Heaven (whom I would also consider a KISA along with Saladin)
Noooooooooooooo, it is Lord Woolsley or bust! His majesty cannot be denied. He is the ideal ram KISA.
From Cantina on the Badass screenshot thread:
He IS a glorious specimen I'll give him that... but does he virtue?
He IS a glorious specimen I'll give him that... but does he virtue?
His virtue shines so bright it is almost blinding. He frequently saves all manner of princes and princesses from dragons, and sings lullabies to orphan children. Rumors of him being a demon in disguise are Chantry lies!
I wouldn't consider Alistair a KISA - as I don't consider any KISA I'd be interested in to be a follower. Not only does he defer to you the entire game - the only time he has an opinion is when it's self-serving. Never: "I'm mad because you didn't defend the honor of this random child." it's always "I only have an opinion because these people are related to me." My KISAs need to be much less self-serving.
I'd consider Sten far more of a KISA than Alistair even WITH his murdering of a farm family. He accepts guilt for the weakness that it was. Alistair becomes a freaking drunk because he can't accept how selfish he is (of course, if you pamper him and give him what he wants he's fine).
Cullen is ten times the man Alistair is in my opinion. He struggles with drug abuse, accepts he's not strong enough to fight it alone, and asks a close friend to assist him. That's being a KISA to me.
A KISA has to be cognizant of his flaws and accept the burden of his failure to overcome them. For me... that makes Cassandra, Aveline, Michel and Cullen to be squarely in the KISA category for me. With characters like Sten, Wynne, Greagor and even Cailan in the "close" category.
Wait what? When does Alastair become a drunk? Not in my world.
Wait what? When does Alastair become a drunk? Not in my world.
Wait what? When does Alastair become a drunk? Not in my world.
Alistair becomes a drunk if you spare Loghain, support Anora, and let be exiled rather than arrested or killed.
In origins, if you didn't harden him and recruit Loghain I think.
Oh, yeh, I would never do that. Loghain tried to kill me, killed the king, and his daughter was a ******.
So I was kind of digging the convo that Elu and Nata were having yesterday about what kind of KISA's we might find in different regions of Thedas that we might visit in future games.
Nevarra - Dragon Hunter
Kal-Shirok - Rock-Knocker
Free Marches - Grand Tourney Combatant
Tevinter - Centurian, Gladiator
Rivain - Royal Admiral, Qunari Lady Blacksmith (I think she'd be perfect for Kont-aar, the one friendly Qunari outpost on the continent)
That leaves the Anderfels and Antiva. And maybe Seheron.
We've got the writers covered man! Regardless of where they go, we have an idea for them!
So I was kind of digging the convo that Elu and Nata were having yesterday about what kind of KISA's we might find in different regions of Thedas that we might visit in future games.
Nevarra - Dragon Hunter
Kal-Shirok - Rock-Knocker
Free Marches - Grand Tourney Combatant
Tevinter - Centurian, Gladiator
Rivain - Royal Admiral, Qunari Lady Blacksmith (I think she'd be perfect for Kont-aar, the one friendly Qunari outpost on the continent)
That leaves the Anderfels and Antiva. And maybe Seheron.
We've got the writers covered man! Regardless of where they go, we have an idea for them!
Antiva's warriors tend to be duelists according to the wiki (when they're not crows that is, also Otranto, the noble Josephines is betrothed to by her parents) so maybe a duelist from Antiva? Motivation would be harder though there's probably plenty of things she/he might be trying to fix in Antiva too, or maybe they're a merchant prince/princess who took up fighting to protect ships and traders/people from pirates to start with and it grew from there? Not sure.
Also an elf could be trying to recapture their heritage as an Emerald knight if they don't have enough knowledge from knightly orders further back? I'm not sure if that would work as a KISA though, maybe it depends on their moral compass and how their point of view plays out?
So I was kind of digging the convo that Elu and Nata were having yesterday about what kind of KISA's we might find in different regions of Thedas that we might visit in future games.
Nevarra - Dragon Hunter
Kal-Shirok - Rock-Knocker
Free Marches - Grand Tourney Combatant
Tevinter - Centurian, Gladiator
Rivain - Royal Admiral, Qunari Lady Blacksmith (I think she'd be perfect for Kont-aar, the one friendly Qunari outpost on the continent)
That leaves the Anderfels and Antiva. And maybe Seheron.
We've got the writers covered man! Regardless of where they go, we have an idea for them!
Ok, to build off of this....
Anderfels - the place is pretty much a blighted mess. We don't know much else except that it's home of the Wardens, and it's where the first Warden is trying to engage in politics. They rule via monarchy...hmmmm. I got it! Perhaps we run into a noble, female or male, who is actively against the Wardens entering into politics.
I'm throwing this out here more because of how Morrigan alluded to crap going down in the Anderfels, some kind of Warden civil war.
Antiva - in this country, they actually have a monarchy. However, they are, as we have said before, ruled in actuality by the dozen merchant princes of Antiva. So, perhaps we entertain some discouraged noble or member of the monarchy who wishes to return things to a more traditional rule, instead of a plutocracy.
So I was kind of digging the convo that Elu and Nata were having yesterday about what kind of KISA's we might find in different regions of Thedas that we might visit in future games.
Nevarra - Dragon Hunter
Kal-Shirok - Rock-Knocker
Free Marches - Grand Tourney Combatant
Tevinter - Centurian, Gladiator
Rivain - Royal Admiral, Qunari Lady Blacksmith (I think she'd be perfect for Kont-aar, the one friendly Qunari outpost on the continent)
That leaves the Anderfels and Antiva. And maybe Seheron.
We've got the writers covered man! Regardless of where they go, we have an idea for them!
Antiva is like Spain so wouldn't they have similar to a Conquistador?
Antiva is like Spain so wouldn't they have similar to a Conquistador?
Eh, it's a mixture of Spain and Italy, more so Italy.
Eh, it's a mixture of Spain and Italy, more so Italy.
its not very similar to medieval Spain at all, being all wimpy and terrified of an open war whereas the the Christian Kingdoms in Spain spent a lot of time showing the Moors the door
its not very similar to medieval Spain at all, being all wimpy and terrified of an open war whereas the the Christian Kingdoms in Spain spent a lot of time showing the Moors the door
I'll concede to you on that, cause you're a much bigger history buff than I am.
I'll concede to you on that, cause you're a much bigger history buff than I am.
History major, not just a buff 
in any event, I'm kinda tired with Mediterranean based civs in DA, Orlais, Antiva, Nevarra, the Free Marches, all have elements of it, I'd like to see more central European inspired realms, like i imagine the Anderfells to be
The nation in Thedas that is the most inspired by medieval Spain is Rivain.
The nation in Thedas that is the most inspired by medieval Spain is Rivain.
not really, Spain wasn't exactly renowned for tolerance of minorities during the Reconquista
I guess that could be paralleled by the Annulment at Diarmisud, but that's an outside organization, not a homegrown movement like the Inquisition
not really, Spain wasn't exactly renowned for tolerance of minorities during the Reconquista
I guess that could be paralleled by the Annulment at Diarmisud, but that's an outside organization, not a homegrown movement like the Inquisition
I said most influenced, not influenced. There is no nation in Thedas that really matches what Spain was like, but it was said Rivain was the most influenced by it.
Most likely the Qunari occupation being akin to the Moor occupation.
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