Agreed. Troy Baker has astonishing range of voice. He voiced Joker in Batman: Arkham Origins which is similar to the original Joker voiced by Mark Hamill.
Yeah, a lot of fans were worried when Mark Hamill announced he was retiring from being the Joker's VA so Troy Baker set a lot of fan's minds at ease when he did a near perfect match to Hamill's Joker.
Bump.
So, I don't think I've seen a discussion of what the friendship path would be like for their ideal KISA.
I'll try to clarify what I mean, though I'm having trouble finding the right words. Being Fenris' friend often means being his Therapist, while being Merrill's sometimes comes off as being an older sibling to me. So, since it seems like important characterization, does anyone have any particular aspects that they would imagine in a playthrough where your character pursues a close but non-romantic relationship with the KISA?
I've been thinking that them taking on a role with an older sibling feel would be cool, because I would imagine them to have a very protective personality.
I'm just hoping they have a friendship arc. Inquisition was seriously lacking in the friendship department besides Cassandra, Dorian, and Sera imo.
I'm just hoping they have a friendship arc. Inquisition was seriously lacking in the friendship department besides Cassandra, Dorian, and Sera imo.
I liked Bull's as well.
@Lady I'll think about it, and get back to you. I know what I'd like, it's a matter of making sure I can say it right. 
I'm just hoping they have a friendship arc. Inquisition was seriously lacking in the friendship department besides Cassandra, Dorian, and Sera imo.
I would prefer comrades-in-arms as a friendship path. No therapy. No power dynamics. Just equals and friends. KISA asks you for the mind of mundane advice you'd ask your friends IRL, you can lean on them for MQ-melodrama related support, but that's it. The trick is not to make this boring.
I'd like this. I also imagine it as manifesting organically through little bits of dialog over the course of the game - say, for example in the beginning you'd get fairly impersonal comments from them, but later as you built rapport the conversations would get more of a personal and 'friendly concern' vibe, and you'd be able to reply in the DAI 'conversation interrupt' manner?
I'd like this. I also imagine it as manifesting organically through little bits of dialog over the course of the game - say, for example in the beginning you'd get fairly impersonal comments from them, but later as you built rapport the conversations would get more of a personal and 'friendly concern' vibe, and you'd be able to reply in the DAI 'conversation interrupt' manner?
I think, regardless of the type of relationship, the game could do with more personal and personnel interactions. Have you guys played the multiplayer? Having Korbin and Belinda in the same party is KISA overload.
I think, regardless of the type of relationship, the game could do with more personal and personnel interactions. Have you guys played the multiplayer? Having Korbin and Belinda in the same party is KISA overload.
I love those two.
Put them with the Alchemist, and you have one extremely friendly group of people.
Sometimes, I enjoy the banter between the MP characters more than with our actual companions.
I haven't heard much from them. They don't seem to be in the random groups I play in very often and personally I only play rogues and mages in MP. (Usually Hall and Sidony.)
You could have class appropriate banter. Like:
KISA: You favour your left side.
PC: I'm sorry?
KISA: In battle. You favour your left. It's subtle, but it's there. In a lengthy encounter it can be exploited.
PC: 1. Thank you. Pointers? 2. You like to watch, do you? 3. Mind your own business.
Stuff like that.
YES. YES. YES. GIVE IT TO ME NOW.
I'm just hoping they have a friendship arc. Inquisition was seriously lacking in the friendship department besides Cassandra, Dorian, and Sera imo.
I feel like I see a lot of people citing Cassandra and Dorian as their Inquisitor's best friends, and I know that they were for mine. Incidentally, they were also the ones with my favorite character arc and development in general.
I feel like I see a lot of people citing Cassandra and Dorian as their Inquisitor's best friends, and I know that they were for mine. Incidentally, they were also the ones with my favorite character arc and development in general.
It's interesting people cite Cass for a friendship arc because I never felt she had one. To me it seemed like she idolised the Inquisitor. Those feelings would take a romantic turn if you were the right gender but otherwise I don't see the friendly affection.
Really? Cause I seriously did consider Cassandra as my best friend in Inquisition. I thought her arc was absolutely fantastic.
It's interesting people cite Cass for a friendship arc because I never felt she had one. To me it seemed like she idolised the Inquisitor. Those feelings would take a romantic turn if you were the right gender but otherwise I don't see the friendly affection.
I saw admiration, but not really idolatry. Maybe that's partly due to the fact that my Inquisitor never made a major story decision that Cassandra really approved of. The positive context in their relationship came entirely from being supportive of her as a person, without agreeing with her on much of anything.
I loved the friendship speech, the two of them leaning against the window while Cassandra said she admired her, and when I picked the "I hope we're friends" option, her smile made my chest melt a little. I think that since Cassandra doesn't open up easily, her expressing admiration is an easier route than saying, "So, I think you're my best friend...how do you feel about that?"
I saw admiration, but not really idolatry. Maybe that's partly due to the fact that my Inquisitor never made a major story decision that Cassandra really approved of. The positive context in their relationship came entirely from being supportive of her as a person, without agreeing with her on much of anything.
I loved the friendship speech, the two of them leaning against the window while Cassandra said she admired her, and when I picked the "I hope we're friends" option, her smile made my chest melt a little. I think that since Cassandra doesn't open up easily, her expressing admiration is an easier route than saying, "So, I think you're my best friend...how do you feel about that?"
Yeah, I thought the Cassandra friendship arc was great. Morrigan's too. A lot of people focus on Gaider's ability to write great romances, but I really think I'll miss these awesome female friendships he writes most come DA4.
I'm more hopeful for better main storylines, DA:O's was serviceable but hardly original, DA2....., DA:I was 'safe' in just about every way
I'm more hopeful for better main storylines, DA:O's was serviceable but hardly original, DA2....., DA:I was 'safe' in just about every way
Them going 'safe' for DAI was kind of a smart move given how DA2 and ME3 was received
Really? Cause I seriously did consider Cassandra as my best friend in Inquisition. I thought her arc was absolutely fantastic.
Same. I went all star eyed when she called me her friend.
But i wanted more friendship moments.. like scenes you get when you're friends with companions (just like how if you romance them)
Same. I went all star eyed when she called me her friend.
But i wanted more friendship moments.. like scenes you get when you're friends with companions (just like how if you romance them)
Agreed! There was a game I had played way way way back I'm not sure on what the name was though I want to say it was Tales of Symphonia but I'm not 100% sure but I remember getting some scenes with the different characters depending on your terms with them and choices, I recall being flat out happily surprised when I got new scenes in my next run from one of the carry over perks I choose when I beat the game. The one sticking out most to me right now was one of the older more experienced characters training you if I recall correctly it started out fairly tense but each time it happened they two of you got on more leveled footing and more respect was shown. I would love to see more attention to friendship paths with their own scenes as well it would be really nice and rewarding imo.
Same. I went all star eyed when she called me her friend.
But i wanted more friendship moments.. like scenes you get when you're friends with companions (just like how if you romance them)
One that comes to mind is from ME3. I really enjoy the scene where Garrus and Shepard have the shooting contest on top of the Presidum. For those that haven't played the ME series, Garrus has a very dry sense of humor, but by ME3 is very loyal to Shepard. However, there has been this little bit of competition on the part of Garrus after knowing him/her for over 3 years. So he breaks the rules (hey, end of the galaxy and all), and heads to the top of one of the most richest parts of the Citadel. He then proposes a shooting contest with bottles.
The first time I played the game, I romanced Liara so Garrus and I had a solid friendship going. That scene is a lot of fun and a pretty lighthearted moment when it was needed in the game. Now, I'm romancing him this time around. While there is some very romantic lines for the LI arc, most of it plays the same. Joking, giving each other a playful amount of grief over each other's shooting skills. If you intentionally miss, the outcome is mostly the same except for the line, "That's okay. I know there's other things that you're good at."
I think for me that's something lacking in DA so far. There hasn't been many fun/lighthearted moments that blend the friendship scenes with the romance flagged as at least active. You've got Sera being a prankster, but I'm not sure if the dialogue changes if a romance is active. You've got Cullen in that great scene playing chess. That is a lot of fun but again, same thing, and I know that from getting to that scene while doing his romance. You've got Josie and the IQ having a conversation...that mostly fades out as soon as the actual stories start (grrrr.) Bull and the IQ getting drunk was good, but not everyone likes having their character drink just to bond with a teammate. I do think are all great examples of the friendship arc so, at least imho.
Yet, those friendship scenes almost never mention the romance arc. I'm racking my brain here, and maybe I'm wrong, but there isn't a lot of special lines in those scenes. Sure, you can flirt, but I don't think it really mentions an existing relationship. I've noticed that in DA in games in general; that the romance and friendship arcs don't mingle well. Excepting some of the more major LIs, such as Morrigan and Alistair. Nevertheless, more often than not, the two arcs are mutually exclusive. That's a little depressing, because I know the writing staff is truly capable of a more fluid romance arc.
I know that Garrus and Shepard had 3 years of friendship under their belt, and that adds a lot to the scene. Also, it helps that I didn't find the character of Garrus too angsty. He had his issues, no doubt. However, once you did his loyalty missions [in ME1 as well as ME2,] he's pretty good at letting things go. You don't have to hear him whine the entire game(s). Fenris, Anders, love you, but...stfu. Still, I think they could do something along those lines for this IP.
I might have more, but I hope that answers your question Lady. I apologize for putting so many ME references into my post. I've not only been replaying it, but I was studying what exactly about my favorite ME friendship/romance arc worked for me. And why I feel the romance arcs didn't mesh as well with the friendship arcs in DA:I.
If we can get a KISA friendship scene on the level of the Cass reading Varric's book scene, I will die a happy man.
Bump.
So, I don't think I've seen a discussion of what the friendship path would be like for their ideal KISA.
I'll try to clarify what I mean, though I'm having trouble finding the right words. Being Fenris' friend often means being his Therapist, while being Merrill's sometimes comes off as being an older sibling to me. So, since it seems like important characterization, does anyone have any particular aspects that they would imagine in a playthrough where your character pursues a close but non-romantic relationship with the KISA?
I've been thinking that them taking on a role with an older sibling feel would be cool, because I would imagine them to have a very protective personality.
I like the friendship/rivalry of DA2, and I wish they would bring it back. In DA:I, if the companion didn't like me (looking at you Solas. He *never* likes me) then that's it. You barely get any content, and you can't even do some of their quests. I get that it is realistic in a way, since people aren't going to want to open up to or be around people they don't like, but at least let us have different content if not the same content depending on whether a companion likes or dislikes us.
DA2 did this well, IMO. Anyway, in regards to friendship, I think it would be great if friendship consisted of a protective mentor thing like you suggested. I'm hoping that the KISA is warm and friendly by default and this is enhanced through friendship. But, as I stated, I like the option for rivalry too, and if they do that again in the next game then maybe the KISA would literally treat you like a rival. Perhaps they have a competitive streak and they show it more with a rivaled PC, but they always maintain a level of respect, despite butting heads unless you go way out of bounds of their moral compass.
I saw admiration, but not really idolatry. Maybe that's partly due to the fact that my Inquisitor never made a major story decision that Cassandra really approved of. The positive context in their relationship came entirely from being supportive of her as a person, without agreeing with her on much of anything.
I loved the friendship speech, the two of them leaning against the window while Cassandra said she admired her, and when I picked the "I hope we're friends" option, her smile made my chest melt a little. I think that since Cassandra doesn't open up easily, her expressing admiration is an easier route than saying, "So, I think you're my best friend...how do you feel about that?"
I like the friendship/rivalry of DA2, and I wish they would bring it back. In DA:I, if the companion didn't like me (looking at you Solas. He *never* likes me) then that's it. You barely get any content, and you can't even do some of their quests. I get that it is realistic in a way, since people aren't going to want to open up to or be around people they don't like, but at least let us have different content if not the same content depending on whether a companion likes or dislikes us.
DA2 did this well, IMO. Anyway, in regards to friendship, I think it would be great if friendship consisted of a protective mentor thing like you suggested. I'm hoping that the KISA is warm and friendly by default and this is enhanced through friendship. But, as I stated, I like the option for rivalry too, and if they do that again in the next game then maybe the KISA would literally treat you like a rival. Perhaps they have a competitive streak and they show it more with a rivaled PC, but they always maintain a level of respect, despite butting heads unless you go way out of bounds of their moral compass.
I like the idea of rivalry in DA2, but I did not really like how it was implemented there. If they are going to do rivalry in the next game, I hope it would be more nuanced and reasonable. I would like to see a KISA character to have integrity when it comes to their morality. I do not wish to see a rivalry where if I treat the KISA shitty enough, they will miraculously change who they are or what they do strongly believe.
Actually I want to see more than one scale when it comes to relationship with characters. Maybe in addition to rivalry/friendship, another scale regarding, say, respect might be added.
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