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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I am beyond pleased that KISA has stuck.  I'm a trendsetter!

I felt the same way when people started to use Scribbles to refer to Josephine.

[sandalisthemaker]

I can't sit and discuss this at length tonight, but I will say that a major reason in wanting to see this type of companion is that I'd like to see more gay and bisexual characters who are presented as unambiguously good.  They don't have to be perfectly good, but the trend of having gay or bisexual characters being largely edgy or dark with ambiguous or questionable morals is definitely a thing. 

[Br3admax]

Edgy characters in general are a thing. I'd very much like more normal people all around. Less "My past!" and more, "How's the weather today?" 

[Aimi]

Edgy characters in general are a thing. I'd very much like more normal people all around. Less "My past!" and more, "How's the weather today?"

The closest thing we got to that over the last several years of BioWare games was probably Jacob in ME2. Surprisingly, a vocal segment of the fanbase decided that he was boring.

[In Exile]

The closest thing we got to that over the last several years of BioWare games was probably Jacob in ME2. Surprisingly, a vocal segment of the fanbase decided that he was boring.

 

But Jacob wasn't that normal. He was aloof and generally disinterested in sharing if you went via the friend path, and then ranged between a victim of sexual harassment to really creepy if you romanced him. 

[Muspade]

Ashley seemed like a pretty normal human being to me.

[boissiere]

I don't know but I think the topic is completly off bounds now... Are you sure Ashley and Jacob are examples of knights ? No! Are they feeling like that ? Not sure either. Ashley maybe more than Jacob...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't know but I think the topic is completly off bounds now... Are you sure Ashley and Jacob are examples of knights ? No! Are they feeling like that ? Not sure either. Ashley maybe more than Jacob...

I'd say Ashley can be considered a knight. She is someone who selflessly fights, in a military that has blacklisted her family no less,  to defend innocent people from anything that threatens them. 

[Ascendra]

The closest thing we got to that over the last several years of BioWare games was probably Jacob in ME2. Surprisingly, a vocal segment of the fanbase decided that he was boring.

I think Kaiden was closer to be honest, at least he was loyal. Jacob was a big slap in the face.
I dont mind edgy characters, troubled past makes for interesting development. What I mind is constant whining about. I would say Alistair in DAO was close to the white knight with moderate viewes. He was still a big baby, but he was deflecting most things with humour. Zevran was rather moderate as well, but he was too promiscous.

[Medhia_Nox]

I don't mind if a character has "problems" that make them edgy or whatever - but if they're not looking to solve those problems then I have no interest in them as a character. 

 

I felt Fenris was like this.  Yes, Fenris, I get "why" you're angry - but I have no time for all this angsty moody behavior because I don't find it at all a healthy way to live. 

 

Here's a list of things I'd like to see companions do more: 

- Ask me about how I feel (Bioware has stated several times this has been a focus of this game)

 

- Discuss our current situation.  This goes beyond "Nice weather."  Let's discuss Connor.  Does it ****** you off Alistair?  Why?  I'm WAY more interested in what a character thinks about "us" (meaning "the group") and what we're doing then who he/she used to be.  Even some triggered conversations like:

 

*Sera likes talking about dragons.  When you kill dragons - Sera has little dialogue trees about the fight.*

*Solas likes nature.  When you enter a zone for the first time - Solas will have a conversation with you the next time you set up camp about the area.*

 

THIS - not expository history (though some of that is good too) - is how I would like to learn about character's personalities.

 

- Discuss other party members.  Vivienne - do you like Solas?  Why not?  (again - really looks like there's a lot of this in Inquisition).

 

- Have a life of your own!  Thank you so much Aveline - there really should be more of you. 

[Sully13]

hey i dove to see sone good well crafted LGBT character but not for the sole reason of shoe horning them in for no reason. 

then they stand out like a sore thumb.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I think Kaiden was closer to be honest, at least he was loyal. Jacob was a big slap in the face.
I dont mind edgy characters, troubled past makes for interesting development. What I mind is constant whining about. I would say Alistair in DAO was close to the white knight with moderate viewes. He was still a big baby, but he was deflecting most things with humour. Zevran was rather moderate as well, but he was too promiscous.

I definitely think Kaidan is the best example of a "normal" character, and he definitely gets a lot of undeserved crap about being "boring". His character development mostly revolved around self-confidence and developing his sense of right and wrong, those are pretty normal issues to have. He's also a uniquely powerful biotic, which isn't normal, but he's not very angsty about like Jack. Generally people prefer characters who aren't normal, or at least in ME, characters that aren't human.

 

Also, Kaidan would be an example of a queer KISA that we're complaining about not getting here.

[daveliam]

I think we've all said that we think Kaidan fits this trope. We would like to see it played out in a traditional fantasy setting. Since the DA writing team seems to like this character type (Alistair, Sebastian, Cullen, Blackwall), but only makes them straight. We want to see the trope mixed up a bit and have the KISA character be gay/bi. It's a story that hasn't been told to my knowledge.

[CuriousArtemis]

I definitely think Kaidan is the best example of a "normal" character, and he definitely gets a lot of undeserved crap about being "boring". His character development mostly revolved around self-confidence and developing his sense of right and wrong, those are pretty normal issues to have. He's also a uniquely powerful biotic, which isn't normal, but he's not very angsty about like Jack. Generally people prefer characters who aren't normal, or at least in ME, characters that aren't human.

Also, Kaidan would be an example of a queer KISA that we're complain about not getting here.

There is a moodiness and an angstiness to Kaidan that has made me reluctant to consider him a KISA, but sure, he'll do (and oh did he do). I still think Jacob is more of a KISA on account of his being a straight up soldier type and just generally gruff and manly.

In other news, we've yet to have a gay or bi KISA in three iterations of a fantasy game, and that stinks!

[Lieutenant Kurin]

I definitely think Kaidan is the best example of a "normal" character, and he definitely gets a lot of undeserved crap about being "boring". His character development mostly revolved around self-confidence and developing his sense of right and wrong, those are pretty normal issues to have. He's also a uniquely powerful biotic, which isn't normal, but he's not very angsty about like Jack. Generally people prefer characters who aren't normal, or at least in ME, characters that aren't human.

 

Also, Kaidan would be an example of a queer KISA that we're complain about not getting here.

 

Yeah, Kaidan was awesome. He was all like 'fine, MY PAST!', and then followed 'but I'm a grown man, and I've made peace with those days', followed by 'make googly eyes all you like but you're not getting a piece of this for two more games'. Sure, there was light evidence of PTSD, but it wasn't what his character was about. Which makes the two camps of 'he's soooo boring', and 'he's soooo whiny' just strange. And while I can argue Kaidan is certainly a knight, I must *regretfully* point out he wasn't written to be straight initially either. Plus, we're talking about a Knight in Shining Armour in fantasy here. In DAI. Where they can actually be in super shining armour and ride on horseback.

 

For those interested, I've always seen Kaidan as straight but panromantic. He propositioned Shepard in ME3 not because of attraction, but because he felt he could care deeply, maybe love, someone he already cared about as a friend. The fact that the relationship later got sexual doesn't contradict that in my view. ALSO, Kaidan is literally my favourite romance of all time in a BioWare game (with m/m taking the priority).

[Semyaza82]

 ALSO, Kaidan is literally my favourite romance of all time in a BioWare game (with m/m taking the priority).

Mine as well - he narrowly beats outs Alistair by virtue of the fact only my lady warden got him

[Who Knows]

I don't see why Anders couldn't have mentioned Karl as his lover to a female Hawke, to be honest. This wasn't necessarily their intention, but it does feel like bi erasure.

[CuriousArtemis]

I don't see why Anders couldn't have mentioned Karl as his lover to a female Hawke, to be honest. This wasn't necessarily their intention, but it does feel like bi erasure.

 

It does, but in my opinion, despite what they're now saying, the LIs of DA2 were meant to be player sexual -- something I'm actually more than okay with because they are, simply put, aspects of the game that are there for me to enjoy, and the more choice I have the better. But in the case with Anders, if Karl was his lover in one playthrough but not in another, that is definitely bi erasure!

 

DA needs more gay and bi characters in their world... just random folk. So far it's mostly Straighty McStraight throughout Thedas, excepting our companions lol and a few doomed lovers, like Branka and her gal.

[daveliam]

ALSO, Kaidan is literally my favourite romance of all time in a BioWare game (with m/m taking the priority).

 

Me too!  He's the best and I absolutely love replaying the series with the intention of romancing Kaidan. It's such a great slow-build.  I know that it wasn't intended that way, but that's totally how it ends up happening. 

[In Exile]

Me too! He's the best and I absolutely love replaying the series with the intention of romancing Kaidan. It's such a great slow-build. I know that it wasn't intended that way, but that's totally how it ends up happening.

The sexaul tension between Kaiden and Shepard in ME1 was ridiculous. Remember that pulsing light and Kaiden wipping away the sweat from his brow?

It looked like a scene out of a cheezy porno. While in terms of dialogue licking the lampost was more overt and misleading, in terms of actually setting a scene nothing will top the ME1 Shep/Kaiden moments as filled to the brim with sexual tension.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

The sexaul tension between Kaiden and Shepard in ME1 was ridiculous. Remember that pulsing light and Kaiden wipping away the sweat from his brow?

It looked like a scene out of a cheezy porno. While in terms of dialogue licking the lampost was more overt and misleading, in terms of actually setting a scene nothing will top the ME1 Shep/Kaiden moments as filled to the brim with sexual tension.

 

That's disgusting, how dare you insinuate that I would personally use ME1 as a porno. HOW DARE YOU SIR.

I am so sorry.

[Gairnulf]

So, this is something that I've seen tossed around in many a romance related thread. I figured I'd make a thread for it so that people who would like to see a gay knight in shining armor could consolidate their thoughts.

 

Regarding the archetypes of the LI's we've had up to this point, the gay knight in shining armor is one that has yet to be explored. The idea of a strong, virtuous, noble human warrior with strong morals has only been made available for opposite sex romance. (Alistair, Cullen, Blackwall, and Cassandra).  They tend to have a 'cute' and somewhat awkward quality about them concerning romance and the PC is implied to be one of (if not their only) romantic partners. It tends to make them seem more "innocent."  

 

Although Aveline isn't a LI, she is also an example of a straight character who fits the knight in shining armor archetype.

 

Meanwhile, characters available for same sex romance tend to be roguish characters who have a dark streak and/or questionable morals, and tend to be promiscuous. They tend to have a "bad boy/girl" or "edgy" quality to them. (Leliana, Zevran, Isabela, Anders, Fenris, Iron Bull, Sera). Note that this is not necessarily a bad thing, as grayness tends to make for interesting characters. 

 

I would just like for things to be switched up from time to time. 

 

So this is a thread asking for a strong, morally noble (not necessarily of noble status, but that would be good too) gay warrior. (Male and female would be great.)

 

Note:  Although  we know very little about the DA:I companions at this point, and it may be a bit premature to categorize them in such a way, I am making this thread now because it is a good time for suggestions to be made, since presumably the next DA game is in an early enough stage where new ideas can be put forward and possibly implemented.

 

I am not complaining here. I am happy with the fact that I have two guys to romance (Dorian and Bull) but I would like to see the archetypes of the LIs change up a bit in the next game. 

 

I disagree with the OP. I am pretty sure there have been gay knights in both DA games, but they have just been choosing to remain in the closet. It's an RPG after all, and it's their choice...

[sandalisthemaker]

I disagree with the OP. I am pretty sure there have been gay knights in both DA games, but they have just been choosing to remain in the closet. It's an RPG after all, and it's their choice...

 

Possibly.  But that doesn't help anyone.  I needs one who is out and proud.  Or, alternatively, if he/she isn't comfortable being out (due to Thedas' somewhat variable stance on homosexuality) then at least they could open up to the PC in private.   How else would the audience know otherwise? The tendency is to assume everyone is straight unless proven otherwise.