Because people can't like the idea of a different type of character whilst already appreciating an existing character in the game.
But why would you ever want something different if what you have is perfect?
Yes I guess I'm boring, if I like lemon pie even slightly more I pretty much always get lemon pie I guess.
The thing that doesn't feel right is how you can say with a straight face that Dorian is a perfect character but we're specifically requesting a different character. It's almost like, I was married to X and it was perfect and they're perfect, now we're divorced.
Because people like to see different types of characters?
That doesn't take away from someone liking the other character also
Because people like to see different types of characters?
That doesn't take away from someone liking the other character also
Doesn't everyone have a hierarchy for how they like the DA:I characters (or characters generally)? I like multiple characters but in general if pressed I could always whittle away the ones I like more than the others.
But why would you ever want something different if what you have is perfect?
Yes I guess I'm boring, if I like lemon pie even slightly more I pretty much always get lemon pie I guess.
Characters, and by extension, stories or games aren't like marriages. You're not locked into them just because you find them "perfect". After a while, you'd like to see some variety in characters. Well, maybe not you.
For instance, no one's stopping quite a number of people wanting to see more female protagonists and better fleshed out female characters even though they like Xena, Buffy, and or Wonderwoman.
Characters, and by extension, stories or games aren't like marriages. You're not locked into them just because you find them "perfect". After a while, you'd like to see some variety in characters.
For instance, no one's stopping quite a number of people wanting to see more female protagonists and better fleshed out female characters even though they like Xena, Buffy, and or Wonderwoman.
Still doesn't make sense to me, the desire for something different pretty much strictly by definition means some degree of dissatisfaction with the present.
As far as games go I'd rather replay the game with the characters I like a zillion times then spend one moment experiencing variety with ones I don't.
The thing that doesn't feel right is how you can say with a straight face that Dorian is a perfect character but we're specifically requesting a different character. It's almost like, I was married to X and it was perfect and they're perfect, now we're divorced.
Have you seen this thread?
http://forum.bioware...nion-wish-list/
The second post is my companion wish list. It's contents range from a Fog Warrior to a Chevalier to an expert blood Mage, a mad scientist type.
I'm expressing a hope for a "mad scientist" archetype, that is in many ways a reaction to Merrill, and what I believe are her more noble and selfless motives.
Does that mean I'm not a fan of Merrill, because I'm requesting a future character who's different, but comparable, to her?
Nope. If I got my wish, that character would very likely still be less beloved to me than Merrill is.
So why am I requesting someone different, and not just Merrill over again?
Because Merrill's story has been told. They will be moving on to different characters in games to come. I have hopes for seeing new things, different things, in future installments of the franchise. The suggestion that my hopes for different things are implicitly critical of past characters is a bit nonsensical.
The food metaphor is pretty valid. Vietnamese Pho is one of my favorite dishes, but if I don't want to have it for every meal, it doesn't suddenly mean I dislike it.
But why would you ever want something different if what you have is perfect?
Yes I guess I'm boring, if I like lemon pie even slightly more I pretty much always get lemon pie I guess.
Still doesn't make sense to me, the desire for something different pretty much strictly by definition means some degree of dissatisfaction with the present.
No it doesn't
Have you seen this thread?
http://forum.bioware...nion-wish-list/
The second post is my companion wish list. It's contents range from a Fog Warrior to a Chevalier to an expert blood Mage, a mad scientist type.
I'm expressing a hope for a "mad scientist" archetype, that is in many ways a reaction to Merrill, and what I believe are her more noble and selfless motives.
Does that mean I'm not a fan of Merrill, because I'm requesting a future character who's different, but comparable, to her?
Nope. If I got my wish, that character would very likely still be less beloved to me than Merrill is.
So why am I requesting someone different, and not just Merrill over again?
Because Merrill's story has been told. They will be moving on to different characters in games to come. I have hopes for seeing new things, different things, in future installments of the franchise. The suggestion that my hopes for different things are implicitly critical of past characters is a bit nonsensical.
The food metaphor is pretty valid. Vietnamese Pho is one of my favorite dishes, but if I don't want to have it for every meal, it doesn't suddenly mean I dislike it.
To add on to this, one of my companion wishes is a Rivaini Archer who's pretty much the exact opposite of Isabela
Does that mean I dislike Isabela? No it doesn't
Yes I guess I'm boring, if I like lemon pie even slightly more I pretty much always get lemon pie I guess.
That would make your taste in food really boring, I believe, yes.
If you really want the same dessert every time you have dessert, then that's your prerogative, but you should consider the possibility that it might be an anomaly of taste. A larger majority might be capable of loving lemon pie most of the time, and yet still consider it their favorite even if they want to change things up now and then.
Still doesn't make sense to me, the desire for something different pretty much strictly by definition means some degree of dissatisfaction with the present.
As far as games go I'd rather replay the game with the characters I like a zillion times then spend one moment experiencing variety with ones I don't.
That's a very black and white way of thinking about it. Even if I find something to nitpick about with Fenris or Dorian, I must be dissatisfied with them.
If everything happened to be perfect, there'd be no progress. No improvement. Nothing new and exciting. It'll be the same thing. Over. And over.
To add on to this, one of my companion wishes is a Rivaini Archer who's pretty much the exact opposite of Isabela
Does that mean I dislike Isabela? No it doesn't
It kinda does though, or at least some aspect of her. I mean would it really be so poisonous to at least consider the things people like about Dorian as well as the things they dislike? I'm sure it's some mix of things.
Generally I've come across characters that I like for different reasons perhaps, or different strengths and weaknesses. For example, I don't like Tywin Lannister because he is so nice and charming, it's mostly because he's such an in command fearless leader kind of figure. Whereas Samwell Tarly I kind of like because he's nice etc.I don't really go I hate this person entirely or this is my favorite person ever most of the time.
I mean seriously 163 pages and no one is even willing to acknowledge the slightest possibility of a "flaw" anywhere in Dorian?
It kinda does though, or at least some aspect of her. I mean would it really be so poisonous to at least consider the things people like about Dorian as well as the things they dislike? I'm sure it's some mix of things.
Generally I've come across characters that I like for different reasons perhaps, or different strengths and weaknesses. For example, I don't like Tywin Lannister because he is so nice and charming, it's mostly because he's such an in command fearless leader kind of figure. Whereas Samwell Tarly I kind of like because he's nice etc.I don't really go I hate this person entirely or this is my favorite person ever most of the time.
I mean seriously 163 pages and no one is even willing to acknowledge the slightest possibility of a "flaw" anywhere in Dorian?
What?
People do acknowledge this, every character is gonna have a flaw
It kinda does though, or at least some aspect of her. I mean would it really be so poisonous to at least consider the things people like about Dorian as well as the things they dislike? I'm sure it's some mix of things.
Generally I've come across characters that I like for different reasons perhaps, or different strengths and weaknesses. For example, I don't like Tywin Lannister because he is so nice and charming, it's mostly because he's such an in command fearless leader kind of figure. Whereas Samwell Tarly I kind of like because he's nice etc.I don't really go I hate this person entirely or this is my favorite person ever most of the time.
I mean seriously 163 pages and no one is even willing to acknowledge the slightest possibility of a "flaw" anywhere in Dorian?
We know. We know Dorian has flaws. We never had to make a note of it because we already have the Dorian thread in the other subset of the forum.
Dorian's not a perfect character. Fenris is not a perfect character. Iron Bull's not a perfect character. And by extension, there are no perfect characters. Ever.
What the thread was about was that these characters so far have been a certain type, and by opening up this thread, it opens up discussions on what we'd like to see in this other type of character who's not normally (or ever, really, in video games) presented as identifying as LGBT+.
Have you seen this thread?
http://forum.bioware...nion-wish-list/
The second post is my companion wish list. It's contents range from a Fog Warrior to a Chevalier to an expert blood Mage, a mad scientist type.
I'm expressing a hope for a "mad scientist" archetype, that is in many ways a reaction to Merrill, and what I believe are her more noble and selfless motives.
Does that mean I'm not a fan of Merrill, because I'm requesting a future character who's different, but comparable, to her?
Nope. If I got my wish, that character would very likely still be less beloved to me than Merrill is.
So why am I requesting someone different, and not just Merrill over again?
Because Merrill's story has been told. They will be moving on to different characters in games to come. I have hopes for seeing new things, different things, in future installments of the franchise. The suggestion that my hopes for different things are implicitly critical of past characters is a bit nonsensical.
The food metaphor is pretty valid. Vietnamese Pho is one of my favorite dishes, but if I don't want to have it for every meal, it doesn't suddenly mean I dislike it.
Completely OT but this reminds me of a quote...I don't think we've ever had a bioware companion who wasn't a flawed person, and hooray for that.
And this is not to say that the Knight is the "perfect" character to rectify the flaws of the previous characters, before someone gets it in their head.
I don't expect the Knight to be perfect either (and neither would anyone else here, I'd assume).
And this is not to say that the Knight is the "perfect" character to rectify the flaws of the previous characters, before someone gets it in their head.
I don't expect the Knight to be perfect either (and neither would anyone else here, I'd assume).
And this is not to say that the Knight is the "perfect" character to rectify the flaws of the previous characters, before someone gets it in their head.
I don't expect the Knight to be perfect either (and neither would anyone else here, I'd assume).
That would not only be boring, I'd wonder what happened to BioWare. I think most of us in the thread are still BW fans to one extent or another, and I think that those of us asking for a gay/bisexual knight know that he/she won't be perfect. I am a little evil though. It would almost be worth the epic level of trolling by the writers to ask for a perfect character and see what we get. 
I don't think we've ever had a bioware companion who wasn't a flawed person, and hooray for that.
What? Since when are flaws good? That's some backwards logic.
I guess I'm just curious what the specific flaws are with Dorian's character that a KISA would displace.
Yeah, Sebastian and Cassandra and Alistair and Aveline have certainly had their flaws.
It's an archetype, that's all.
None of those were really KISAs to me either honestly. Alistair was the closest. Aveline was just the facade. The closest example to a KISA would probably have to be Minsc or Bastila Shan something.
I'm sorry but I've heard that analogy discussed used in several other contexts as well (also involving sexual sort of things bizarrely enough) it seems like the most polished/marketing way of saying "There's something I don't like here" but I want to try something else without actually condemning the previous thing. I think the problem is you only have one day of the week when you have a dessert, and you can't eat two desserts in the same day as you would be full, so given that you really are just going to be picking one dessert which would you pick?
As someone who ate all the DAO pie, then all the DA2 pie and is steadily working her way through all the DAI pie, I think several of your assumptions are flawed. For starters, the pie I try first won't necessarily end up my favourite . It didn't in DAO or DA2; too soon to say about DAI. I am entirely capable of enjoying both chocolate pie and lemon pie - so what does it matter that I have to pick one to try first?
I mean, we don't even need a gay KISA to prevent Dorian from being my favourite DAI romance. So far, that's Blackwall. That doesn't mean I didn't also enjoy romancing Dorian, but I think he's going to end up like Zevran, Morrigan and Merrill for me for me (i.e. it's not that I didn't enjoy their romances, but I get more out of the friendship paths.) The Dorian pie was still good.
(The Blackwall pie tastes of despair, though. It is glorious.)
What? Since when are flaws good? That's some backwards logic.
Because it makes characters more interesting, flawless characters are honestly boring
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