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[Lee80]

I'm glad they let us know fallout 4 will have same sex romance, cause that rail road marriage at the start was a huge turn off.  Still is though, but at least there is a compromise.  Personally I'll still have to head cannon that my wifey is just a good friend that I married cause I lost a bet or really wanted a kid -shrug-.  Cause people have been known to make worse choices for lesser reasons.  

 

Sorry for continuing the off topic.  Just Fallout is my other favorite series (besides Dragon Age).  Continue on your honorable knight discussion.  

[Hellion Rex]

If we really do have to start in an o/s marriage, I'll grind my teeth and get through it. But if the trade off is a crap ton of romance options, I'll take that deal.

[Potato Cat]

I can definitely think of a few reasons why one or two non-hetero people might get married and have a kid in the super right wing, McCarthyist, 1950's dystopian future of Fallout's pre-war America.

 

In related news, I'm considerably more excited for this feature after reading a German article that seemed to link Krysten Ritter to this Piper character now.

[nightscrawl]

On topic, I don't think a KISA has to be boring though there are plenty of examples where they end up that way if the focus is solely on "virtuous knight". So long as they have personality with the knightly virtues they could be a well rounded and interesting archetype. Personally I like the idea of either a wicked sense of humour or a bright, bubbly, joyous, unrestrained type of person in a KISA mould... serious when fighting but happy and well adjusted when not while still sticking to their code or whatever made them a KISA in the first place.

I suppose I just want some angst and some damage so the person isn't perfect, on top of an interesting personality. Does angst and damage rule out the KISA in the first place? I kind of consider my own male Inquisitor to be of this type, but he's not that well adjusted, particularly after certain events (Adamant and the Fade).

[dgcatanisiri]

I suppose I just want some angst and some damage so the person isn't perfect, on top of an interesting personality. Does angst and damage rule out the KISA in the first place? I kind of consider my own male Inquisitor to be of this type, but he's not that well adjusted, particularly after certain events (Adamant and the Fade).

 

I don't think it would - Cullen and Cassandra fall under the category of KISA, and he's dealing with both his addiction and his PTSD, while she's in the midst of a couple of crises of faith. Both of them have elements that I would say count as angst and ill-adjustment.

 

Basically, I see the 'Knight In Shining Armor' archtype as being the portrayal of the character, if they're considered to be the kind of person that the in-universe society would look at and tell their children 'aspire to be like this.' Meanwhile angst and damage could be character traits, the things that separate characters of this type from one another. It's the addiction and PTSD that makes Cullen's character arc separate from any other KISA you could name. It's the fact that Cassandra is struggling with her faith in the wake of Justinia's death and the Seekers' betrayal that makes her different.

[sandalisthemaker]

I can definitely think of a few reasons why one or two non-hetero people might get married and have a kid in the super right wing, McCarthyist, 1950's dystopian future of Fallout's pre-war America.

 

In related news, I'm considerably more excited for this feature after reading a German article that seemed to link Krysten Ritter to this Piper character now.

 

 

Exactly.  It will be really easy to RP my character as simply being deeply closeted before the events of the game. 

[daveliam]

Exactly.  It will be really easy to RP my character as simply being deeply closeted before the events of the game. 

 

Yeah, I'm still waiting on more information about how this will all work out, but I'm not sure if I'm going to play him as openly bisexual (with a preference to guys) or deeply closeted during the prologue.  Either way, I'm very very happy to hear that s/s romance options are on the table.

 

Spoiler

Not sure how I feel about Preston.  Maybe he's super charming, but he doesn't really look like the type of guy that I tend to go for in these games.  I'm holding out for one of the other 2-3 guys to see if there's one that stands out more for me.

[sandalisthemaker]

I suppose I just want some angst and some damage so the person isn't perfect, on top of an interesting personality. Does angst and damage rule out the KISA in the first place? I kind of consider my own male Inquisitor to be of this type, but he's not that well adjusted, particularly after certain events (Adamant and the Fade).

 

I don't think it does.

 

Throughout this thread, we've been trying to come up with ways to have a KISA be interesting because like you pointed out, there is the concern that the character might be perceived as boring.  

 

Personally I'd be okay with slight subversions to the KISA trope, or a KISA who had a dark past, or a KISA 'with a twist' , etc.  

I want a strong protector type who is clearly good, but I also want an interesting, memorable character as well.  I have faith that the writers could pull it off. 

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, I'm still waiting on more information about how this will all work out, but I'm not sure if I'm going to play him as openly bisexual (with a preference to guys) or deeply closeted during the prologue. Either way, I'm very very happy to hear that s/s romance options are on the table.

Spoiler

Not sure how I feel about Preston. Maybe he's super charming, but he doesn't really look like the type of guy that I tend to go for in these games. I'm holding out for one of the other 2-3 guys to see if there's one that stands out more for me.

I'm actually thinking about role playing a bisexual guy for this game. Never done it before, so it should be interesting.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I'm actually thinking about role playing a bisexual guy for this game. Never done it before, so it should be interesting.

 

I guess I usually do. I tend to flirt with every I possibly can the first time through.

[Tayah]

I suppose I just want some angst and some damage so the person isn't perfect, on top of an interesting personality. Does angst and damage rule out the KISA in the first place? I kind of consider my own male Inquisitor to be of this type, but he's not that well adjusted, particularly after certain events (Adamant and the Fade).

Fair enough and I think some angst is fine too, what I was focused on was the idea a KISA has to be boring and I definitely agree a perfect person would be boring. It could be as others have said that the KISA has baggage/secrets from their past. It could also be that you start with a KISA character who is reasonably well adjusted and the angst comes during the story in a situation that may impact how they see the world and themselves. Cassandra and Cullen both embody aspects of both of those scenarios to me and I didn't find either Aveline or Alistair boring either. 

 

It does lead to the question of how much 'angst' in a way for me because there's a fine line between interesting companion story and me suddenly becoming the therapist to them (and my entire team), which has been a feeling I've had in some bioware games. Though this may also have to do with the limited or non-existent opportunities for the PC to 'lean on' companions and have varying reactions (of the player's choosing) to story events. I guess I have faith that the writers can write an interesting KISA and less faith they can keep me out of the therapy business.

 

Also I found the idea of a forced marriage a turn off for fallout 4 too so I'm looking forward to getting through the prologue quickly and then into the 'real' game for me.    

[Hellion Rex]

I guess I usually do. I tend to flirt with every I possibly can the first time through.

I just normally run homosexual only guys, though I came damn close to breaking that rule for Cassandra.

[daveliam]

I just normally run homosexual only guys, though I came damn close to breaking that rule for Cassandra.

 

I've never played a bisexual character before, but I've flirted with a handful of excellent lady characters.  For me, it was Isabela, Vivienne, and Samara.

 

I played my (sarcastic) Hawke as being a shameless flirt with Isabela, since we both knew that we'd both rather end up with Anders/Fenris than each other.  But she's a hoot to flirt with.  She was definitely my Hawke's BFF.

 

I couldn't help but have my Bull-riding dwarf flirt with Vivienne.  She's just so damned awesome and I knew she'd shut me down, so it wasn't a big deal.

 

I had my canon Shep "flirt" with Samara up until asking her to be an item.  It was more about just experience as much time as possible talking with her because I loved her character.

[Hellion Rex]

I've never played a bisexual character before, but I've flirted with a handful of excellent lady characters.  For me, it was Isabela, Vivienne, and Samara.

 

I played my (sarcastic) Hawke as being a shameless flirt with Isabela, since we both knew that we'd both rather end up with Anders/Fenris than each other.  But she's a hoot to flirt with.  She was definitely my Hawke's BFF.

 

I couldn't help but have my Bull-riding dwarf flirt with Vivienne.  She's just so damned awesome and I knew she'd shut me down, so it wasn't a big deal.

 

I had my canon Shep "flirt" with Samara up until asking her to be an item.  It was more about just experience as much time as possible talking with her because I loved her character.

Goddamn, I love Samara. As for Isabela, I flirted with her not out of lust, but just for pure fun. I do the same with a bunch of my straight female friends all the time. It's all in good fun.

[Tayah]

I usually play lesbian characters that don't flirt with characters not chosen to be their LI but flirting with Dorian in Inquisition is way too much fun to pass up. Isabela's my go to LI for DA2 she's way too fun to skip... and somehow always works better for my Hawkes than Merill, funny that 

[The Ghost]

I completely agree with the Original Poster.

 

 

Since I've start playing Dragon Age series, all my crushes as a gay male, have been for the Knights in Shining Armor (Alistair on the Top, followed shortly by Cullen (DA:I one, and DA:O one) and finally but not least other Knights).

 

So I am giving my full support for a Knight who is mainly a gay (male/female), but please don't give them the twin appearance (Just feels wrong)... I've always wanted to find a gay Knight in Bioware games, specifically Dragon Age, because they are my top favorite series.

 

I agree on the moral code which the Knights follow, loyal, determined, quite bold, protective over the main character... because this is how most people imagine their Knight here. May be having a bit dark side inside of him, which comes up at certain point of the game (preferably at the middle of the main story) so we can add more ingredients to the character and much more in depth personality. A story which will step in properly with the character background/history, including the seed of darkness which hides deep inside of him. And as the game progress actually the player himself have to make the choice, should he persuade his Knight to become a good noble one, or a Dark twisted guy who will still protect him, because let's be realistic... there is a lot of people here who enjoy the dark side of characters and loved to reach it. It's almost the top desired and successful way to make a player happy. Giving him the choice, to either turn his companion completely dark sided or light sided... as it was proven multiple times in your MMORPG SW:TOR.

 

I enjoy working on characters with deep, complex personalities which step in with their past... So those are my views for the Knight character. I am really hopping that we will see one in the next Dragon Age game.

[HuldraDancer]

Fallout 4 is going to have romances, which includes same-sex ones, in case anyone here is interested in that game.

 

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Sorry to be off topic since I'm sure this has been talked about already but so happy ta read it I mean I got wind of it before but extra confirmation from other sources doesn't hurt either. My sweet insanely smart and plain insane Cupcake will hit on all the things cause that's how she rolls and I'm happy I can continue to play her that way too.

 

Sorry again for off topicness I just get slightly giddy every time I see that the s/s thing is still in there.

[Solace]

I personally do not care enough about romances in a game to get serious about them, but I do them, both the gay and straight ones just because why not? Bioware should try to start spicing romances up in a game. Hell, how about an intelligent dark-spawn you can romance? or a demon or spirit from the fade? Doesn't have to be any of those, but just something new, and something that has no sexuality? Like the Asari from Mass Effect.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Doesn't have to be any of those, but just something new, and something that has no sexuality? Like the Asari from Mass Effect.

 

I think 'conveniently pansexual' counts as having a sexuality.

 

Anyway, the main new things I want to see are 1) dwarf romance! and 2) a gay KISA. A romance with a spirit or demon could certainly be interesting, but they have to be a lot more familiar with the mortal world and its workings than Jusice or Cole if I was going to feel comfortable getting into a sexual relationship with them.

[dgcatanisiri]

Yeah, based on the prior portrayals, spirits from the Fade are very far removed from any understanding of sexual or even romantic relationships. MAYBE, if we encountered a spirit of love or similar virtue, but even then, I just see there being far too much of a gap between their experiences and their ability to understand mortal physical relationships.

[nightscrawl]

I personally do not care enough about romances in a game to get serious about them, but I do them, both the gay and straight ones just because why not? Bioware should try to start spicing romances up in a game. Hell, how about an intelligent dark-spawn you can romance? or a demon or spirit from the fade? Doesn't have to be any of those, but just something new, and something that has no sexuality? Like the Asari from Mass Effect.

While it's not really important to me, as I know it is with some players, I think continuing to have a romance that doesn't include sex, or an actual asexual character, would be interesting. While I haven't done it, the path of Josephine's romance not including sex sounds refreshingly different. Also, the option to "slow down" with Dorian was also a nice addition, particularly because of how that plays into his history.

 

I think the key is variety; not only in LI sexuality, but also in the type of romance that occurs. It really adds an element of verisimilitude to the romance, and to the LI, to have it be represented in different ways and approached in different ways by the LI themselves, including whether they remain with the PC or go off to do their own thing at the end of the game. So different doesn't have to include an actual different creature or being with which to play out a romance.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

While it's not really important to me, as I know it is with some players, I think continuing to have a romance that doesn't include sex, or an actual asexual character, would be interesting. While I haven't done it, the path of Josephine's romance not including sex sounds refreshingly different. Also, the option to "slow down" with Dorian was also a nice addition, particularly because of how that plays into his history.

 

I think the key is variety; not only in LI sexuality, but also in the type of romance that occurs. It really adds an element of verisimilitude to the romance, and to the LI, to have it be represented in different ways and approached in different ways by the LI themselves, including whether they remain with the PC or go off to do their own thing at the end of the game. So different doesn't have to include an actual different creature or being with which to play out a romance.

 

Sex or no sex doesn't really matter to me very much, but I really hope there's never another romance like Josephine's. Or if there is that it's straight only so it won't be taking up the slot of a romance I'd actually play. Josephine's romance arc was so childish and immature.

[daveliam]

Sex or no sex doesn't really matter to me very much, but I really hope there's never another romance like Josephine's. Or if there is that it's straight only so it won't be taking up the slot of a romance I'd actually play. Josephine's romance arc was so childish and immature.

 

While Josephine's romance wasn't necessarily for me, I don't think it was that bad (from what I've seen/heard; admittedly, I've never completed it firsthand). 

 

I wouldn't mind a traditionally romantic (with chivalry and whatnot) plot for a gay KISA character.  I might swoon a bit if he fought a duel in my honor.  Not going to lie.  Of course, then I'd like to get him in the sack (with a gratuitous naked booty shot) right after wards.  Not going to lie about that either.

[nightscrawl]

I wouldn't mind a traditionally romantic (with chivalry and whatnot) plot for a gay KISA character.  I might swoon a bit if he fought a duel in my honor.  Not going to lie.  Of course, then I'd like to get him in the sack (with a gratuitous naked booty shot) right after wards.  Not going to lie about that either.

Throw in some angst and I would totally go for this.

Of course this would require that they shift the course of the romances -- or at least one -- from passive or reactive to active. Currently the romances have us doing things and the NPC responding in whatever manner. The only other romance I've done is Cullen's, so if there are other examples I'm not aware of them. I think the Dorian quarters scene was a pretty good attempt at the LI being more active and showing agency. He suggests that you go there and when the cinematic starts he approaches you rather than the reverse, which is usually the case. I would like more instances of that, even if it does require minor player input (purposely entering your quarters).

[nightscrawl]

Sex or no sex doesn't really matter to me very much, but I really hope there's never another romance like Josephine's. Or if there is that it's straight only so it won't be taking up the slot of a romance I'd actually play. Josephine's romance arc was so childish and immature.

 

This actually makes me wonder how many female players with a fem Inquisitor completed and enjoyed the Josephine romance, since the Inquisitor is put in the traditionally male role of dueling for her. As a woman myself even if I felt inclined to romance Josephine on a female character based on her personality alone, the path of the romance is unappealing to me. I like romance, certainly, but I'm more inclined to go for Cassandra in that regard and I certainly would if I had the option on a female character.