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[dgcatanisiri]

One thing I would like would be that, gay or bi, the next male same-sex options don't emphasize the relationship being 'unusual.' That's been a bit of a trend, I've noticed - Zevran will say 'given my druthers, I prefer a shapely woman,' Hawke will ask Fenris if his reaction to them being together was because it was due to being with another man, Anders kinda beats you over the head with the 'mage oppression = homophobia' metaphor, and Dorian... Well, that's self-evident. Iron Bull's the only one who gives the impression that there's nothing different or unusual about a relationship with another male. It just seems like there's a tendency for the romance options to say effectively 'if it's you, it's okay' about a relationship with another man.

 

I mean, it just kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth that so far, in four out of five of the male-male relationships, they write the characters themselves as seeming to consider their relationships with other men unusual or even somewhat deviant. I absolutely do NOT want to see a potential KISA LI having been, say, stripped of his rank or something because of his relationship with another man. While I want a distinction in the interactions between the PC and the LI based on the PC's gender, because male-male and male-female relationships do have differences in the way the people involved interact, I don't want to see the characters playing it as 'this is unusual and not normal, something that, due to its nature as a relationship between two men, deserves comment.'

[Andraste_Reborn]

This actually makes me wonder how many female players with a fem Inquisitor completed and enjoyed the Josephine romance, since the Inquisitor is put in the traditionally male role of dueling for her.

 

Duelling for Josephine's honour with my lesbian KISA was actually the highlight of the romance for me. (The highlight of that whole game, really, since I was playing a human and ended up wishing I'd made another dwarf or qunari instead.) She was a warrior and a Templar, so the part came easily to her.

 

I thought the Josie romance as a whole was sweet, but a bit slight. I was fine with the absence of a sex scene, but I feel like it needed something else to replace that - the problem isn't that BIoWare need to put explicit sex in all the romances, but that they don't really seem to have worked out how to signal 'these characters have now reached a new level of intimacy' without a sex scene. It sort of works for Solas's more cerebral romance, although I thought the problem with that one was that the pacing was off. (All the really good stuff is in the last scene, and then boom, it's over. And you didn't even get to punch him in the face.)

[nightscrawl]

One thing I would like would be that, gay or bi, the next male same-sex options don't emphasize the relationship being 'unusual.' That's been a bit of a trend, I've noticed - Zevran will say 'given my druthers, I prefer a shapely woman,' Hawke will ask Fenris if his reaction to them being together was because it was due to being with another man, Anders kinda beats you over the head with the 'mage oppression = homophobia' metaphor, and Dorian... Well, that's self-evident. Iron Bull's the only one who gives the impression that there's nothing different or unusual about a relationship with another male. It just seems like there's a tendency for the romance options to say effectively 'if it's you, it's okay' about a relationship with another man.

 

I mean, it just kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth that so far, in four out of five of the male-male relationships, they write the characters themselves as seeming to consider their relationships with other men unusual or even somewhat deviant. I absolutely do NOT want to see a potential KISA LI having been, say, stripped of his rank or something because of his relationship with another man. While I want a distinction in the interactions between the PC and the LI based on the PC's gender, because male-male and male-female relationships do have differences in the way the people involved interact, I don't want to see the characters playing it as 'this is unusual and not normal, something that, due to its nature as a relationship between two men, deserves comment.'

 

While I can totally appreciate what you're saying here, and I do agree, I don't think that Dorian should be included simply because it is woven through his personal story, and directly impacts how he views the relationship, his openness, his willingness (and not) to share his feelings, and so on. Whereas with those others you mentioned it's more of a throw away line that can make the m/m relationship seem aberrant for the LI.

 

That said, I think that some of those one-liners are a result of the devs trying to make some differences between the male and female versions for characters that are bi, rather than having them play out exactly the same way. I mean, I personally wouldn't mind having the bi romances play out the same -- I wasn't too keen on that Fenris line, particularly because it's the "nice" option with no alternative but to be flippant or say that you "didn't want more."

 

Also, I really don't foresee them doing like you mentioned with a KISA being stripped of his rank or somesuch. Even in Tevinter the primary concern is among nobility, and it is more an issue of appearance, not actually banned or anything like that. Thedas doesn't have Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and for the most part no one gives a damn outside of a select segment of the population.

[dgcatanisiri]

I mainly included Dorian because his story IS all about how in Tevinter, his sexuality marks him as deviant, which, as I pointed out, seems to be a common portrayal for the male-male relationships, that they emphasize the male-male relationships as being unusual and strange, not even just in general, but for the characters in specific. There is a common thread that makes it seem like, by simple virtue of it being a relationship between two men, that makes it worth commenting on. And that just kinda bugs me. I'd rather feel like the fact that these are two men in a romantic relationship with one another isn't worth remarking on, that there isn't some reason for spectacle, or it being an oddity, or drawing attention. Like, the characters around them don't react with 'you're sleeping with a GUY?' and yet the characters involved in that relationship seem to be having that reaction with each other. Just rubs me wrong.

 

And I mean, I'm not against some differentiation between male and female PCs and their romances, but I'd rather it be in the form of like the way they act around one another than just 'was it different because I'm a man?' I'm not sure how to put it, but just... Socially speaking, men and women are socialized differently, express themselves differently, and so yeah, a character might, say, more readily physically jump to their lover's defense if they're a woman than if they're a man. That's the best way that's coming to mind to express what I'm getting at, does that make sense? And the main reason I want some differentiation is because I found the MShenko path in ME3 to come across as a blatant copy/paste job of a new female Shepard romance with Kaidan, rather than a unique romance to these characters and their particular dynamic as two men.

 

And yeah, the 'stripped of rank' thing was just an example. It just seems like it'd be an easy out for how we're asking for a gay KISA while still continuing the trend that they've shown so far - 'you guys want a gay KISA? Okay, here he is, but his story is full of him going through emotional hardships because he's gay!' And, honestly, given that I feel that they took the easy path with Dorian's story, because while it may have been new to this particular medium, it's one of the most common narratives I've seen for gay men in fiction period, it honestly feels to me a physical world issue almost sledgehammered into the Dragon Age setting, I am genuinely worried about them taking the easy way out. I really hope they DON'T take the easy option, but given the precedent, I worry about it, and I feel the need to speak out about it.

[nightscrawl]

And I mean, I'm not against some differentiation between male and female PCs and their romances, but I'd rather it be in the form of like the way they act around one another than just 'was it different because I'm a man?' I'm not sure how to put it, but just... Socially speaking, men and women are socialized differently, express themselves differently, and so yeah, a character might, say, more readily physically jump to their lover's defense if they're a woman than if they're a man. That's the best way that's coming to mind to express what I'm getting at, does that make sense? And the main reason I want some differentiation is because I found the MShenko path in ME3 to come across as a blatant copy/paste job of a new female Shepard romance with Kaidan, rather than a unique romance to these characters and their particular dynamic as two men.

Oh yes, certainly. There is a different dynamic between f/f, m/m, and m/f couples, I agree. You have men and women who (generally speaking) look at sex and romance in a certain way, usually differently from the opposite gender. Put two of the same gender together and it's just different from the other type of pairing. BUT I think that can be difficult to pull off with great nuance, particularly in a game setting where we see a limited amount of interaction with the follower, even less with a follower as a LI, particularly since the romances are, and always will be, optional content in these games.

 

Also, the romance arcs in Dragon Age have commonly been used as a way to further develop the character of the LI. To me it seems like the relationship itself is secondary to how the LI reacts to it and how they might change because of it. As nice as Dorian's friendship arc is, you do see more depth with the romance than as a friend; his deep insecurity is not seen any other way. I happen to like this aspect of it, but I know that there are other players that want more focus on the relationship itself. To that end, more focus on the LI and their development means less focus on the overall relationship dynamic.

With the differentiation I think there is a danger of resorting to tropes either way. Not that tropes are bad by themselves; tropes are everywhere. But I think it's difficult to be subtle about it. As a woman I wouldn't really be too keen to be put in a damsel-in-distress position in a m/f dynamic in a game, especially because we (the player) as the protagonist of the game are often presented as a power figure. To suddenly be shown to be incapable would be annoying. I've seen that numerous time in movies with capable female characters that end up needing a man to save them, because MAN. I know that was just an example you gave, but I think that is a likely scenario, especially if we're talking about a KISA type.

 

Going back to the Fenris example...

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The game makes it clear that Danarius used Fenris as a sex toy, among other things. I have particular head-canon for it, which I'm not going to get into here. BUT, I think it can be similar to a m/f dynamic where the woman was a rape victim, and the man is concerned about sex for various reasons because of that. So I think that there may have been a missed opportunity to explore that in bit more depth.

On the other hand, as mentioned, these romances are optional content, so they're not going to get too carried away. And if they did have that type of content for a m/m Fenris, they would also have had to have a different path for the female version.


I don't quite agree with your views on Dorian, or how he and his story relates to Dragon Age as a whole, but I'm not going to clutter the KISA thread with Dorian stuff. He has his own thread for that.

[BraveVesperia]

And I mean, I'm not against some differentiation between male and female PCs and their romances, but I'd rather it be in the form of like the way they act around one another than just 'was it different because I'm a man?' I'm not sure how to put it, but just... Socially speaking, men and women are socialized differently, express themselves differently, and so yeah, a character might, say, more readily physically jump to their lover's defense if they're a woman than if they're a man. That's the best way that's coming to mind to express what I'm getting at, does that make sense? And the main reason I want some differentiation is because I found the MShenko path in ME3 to come across as a blatant copy/paste job of a new female Shepard romance with Kaidan, rather than a unique romance to these characters and their particular dynamic as two men.

I think Isabela and Leliana were headed in the right direction with this. I know that Leliana initiated at least one conversation slightly differently based on gender. It's been ages since I romanced her with a male, but I'm sure the conversation about hair only occurs with a female. So bringing up slightly different conversation topics would be a way to differentiate the romance a little. Or reaching the same one in a different way ("I love your hair"/"Do you like my hair?" maybe).

 

Isabela generally seemed a little softer, warmer, and more interested in femHawke's feelings sooner than maleHawke's. After the romance scene with him, she's like "That was fun, see ya!" and with femHawke it's more like "Thank you, I had a great time." She also comments differently on a Merrill romance depending on gender. I think there's a varied banter about it too. It's all fairly little things, but it gives the romance a difference without making gender a weirdness issue. I remember feeling a little disappointed that Zevran mentioned his preference for women a few times, like it was an afterthought that he liked men too. Obviously there are people like that in real life, but I can appreciate that if he's your only s/s romance, it's a bit... awkward? Rude? Like your male Warden is second prize.

 

One romance where I didn't like how they did it was Anders (though tbh I like little about his romance anyway). As a male Hawke he confesses that he has Bioware's trademark Carth Syndrome. As a female he doesn't mention Karl at all, and instead talks about how he'll break your delicate heart. It didn't feel more romantic to be treated like some tragic, delicate heroine of an outdated romance novel, and to lose out on info regarding Anders' emotional state/history. Not that I'd want a Carth Syndrome starter, it's just... if you're going to have it in the romance, mention it for both. It'd be like Zevran pretending Rinna was just a friend on his m/m romance.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm excited for the two dwarven warriors that appear to accompany the Inquisitor in the Descent DLC.  Perhaps a taste of things to come with a future dwarven KISA companion?  

[daveliam]

Plus a Silent Sister MP character.  The dwarf-lovers' day has finally come! 

 

Can't wait to see if any of the new dwarves would be relevant to the thread.  Crossing fingers!

[The Ghost]

I'm excited for the two dwarven warriors that appear to accompany the Inquisitor in the Descent DLC.  Perhaps a taste of things to come with a future dwarven KISA companion?  

 

 

I don't think that it will be good for Bioware to concentrate over the dwarf as a KISA... not that I have something against dwarves, but I don't like interacting with them, not for flirt and definitely not for romance and sexual interest. I think that a big side of the community will prefer a Human KISA before a dwarf one and it will be a lot more popular... Elf KISA will do the job just fine... if they are going for different race for the KISA I hope it will be either ELF or definitely a HUMAN, I hope highly for the second one... for some reason I just don't feel attraction at all to the small ones, but I do use them as party companions when I go to dungeon.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Keep in mind that people who would like to romance a dwarf have been waiting since 2009. Hell, some of us started with BG2 and have been waiting since 2000. There are already romanceable human KISAs in DAO and DAI.  (Although not gay or bisexual ones, or we would not be in this thread.) People who want to romance humans  and/or elves will no doubt have several characters to choose from. (Assuming that DA4 exists and has romances in it.)

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I don't think that it will be good for Bioware to concentrate over the dwarf as a KISA... not that I have something against dwarves, but I don't like interacting with them, not for flirt and definitely not for romance and sexual interest. I think that a big side of the community will prefer a Human KISA before a dwarf one and it will be a lot more popular... Elf KISA will do the job just fine... if they are going for different race for the KISA I hope it will be either ELF or definitely a HUMAN, I hope highly for the second one... for some reason I just don't feel attraction at all to the small ones, but I do use them as party companions when I go to dungeon.

 

Better a dwarf than another elf.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm really done with elves. I had enough of that DAO and DA2. DAI finally had a guy I found aesthetically pleasing. Now, I'm ready for a beefy human warrior, or beefy dwarf!

[sandalisthemaker]

When it comes to straight up romance, I'd prefer human guys.  But the idea of a dwarven KISA companion as a whole is appealing.

 

As far as LI's go, for me it is Human with Dwarf close second, then Qunari, and Elf last. 

[dgcatanisiri]

I'm not normally into dwarves, but it ultimately does, for me, end up how well I connect to their characterization and character arc - I started out DA2 not all that interested in Fenris. Nowadays, I will only romance someone else if I make myself. I really hadn't been banking on loving Cullen like I do, but I connect so much more to his story than I do Dorian or Iron Bull that it almost physically hurts that I can't romance him with a male Inquisitor. So if a dwarven LI has a story that I can connect to, sink my teeth into, then I'd gladly romance no one but that dwarf.

 

I may not expect myself to be into a dwarven romance, but I haven't even had the chance to try one out, so yeah, I'm fully on board with a dwarven LI.

[dgcatanisiri]

Yeah, I think there's a lot internalized about the portrayals of non-heterosexual characters that, although the writers are trying to offer LGBT players options and show these characters in media, they're not really recognizing is still an issue, since they aren't individually affected by it.

 

I mean, this whole thread is built upon the idea that there has not been an LGBT love interest who is portrayed within the narrative as being someone of flawless and upstanding moral fiber by the standards of their society, which is the general definition of a KISA character. All of the LGBT LIs, with the exception of Josephine, have been very much of the 'questionable morals and attitudes' or has just plain been not-human, which is an underclass in the societies we're a part of in the DA games.

 

The way I look at it is that because most of the writers are (to the best of my knowledge) heterosexual, they aren't fully aware of the lack of diverse types of LGBT characters in media - most fall into the same categories, the loveable rogues, the sex-obsessed bisexual, the militant activist... We aren't seeing a lot of the same diversity in character archetypes within LGBT characters, seeing these characters receive the same wide and varied storylines as their heterosexual counterparts. And it's not that they wouldn't want to portray them otherwise, but, because they aren't personally affected by it, they miss the fact that we're in need of those characters.

 

I used a metaphor on Tumblr the other day that I think sums it up - previously, people use a bowl of M&Ms as a metaphor for representation, how filling one bowl to the brim with M&Ms and one with just a few skimmed off the top is representative of the numbers of heterosexual to non-heterosexual characters. As we're seeing representation in numbers increase, the metaphor that fits better is a buffet line, where each character archetype represents a different item. The heterosexual buffet line has pretty much every option under the sun. The non-heterosexual buffet line considers of just a few different types of options. There might be a lot of characters within each option, but the archetypes of these characters are the same handful we've had to choose from repeatedly.

 

Narrative framing does a lot that you may not be consciously aware of, but is there. It's the whole concept of queercoding, how you'll see characters who are villainous have various elements to them that identify them as deviant and not-heterosexual. Villains who are portrayed with traits associated with homosexuality reinforce the concept of anything that's not heterosexual is considered negative. It's why you'll see in-game rogues quickly fall into the category of gay/bi LI - they're the stranger in the shadows who you're supposed to be suspcious of, to be guarded around, to not approach. Meanwhile, we have the Alistairs and Cullens and Avelines and Cassandras of society, who are meant to be pillars of morality and goodness.

 

And I'm not saying this is an intentional or even necessarily intended portrayal of these characters on BioWare's part, let's be clear. It's just that because this is a trend, this is the message that's coming across, intentional or not. And the best way to counter that message is to CHANGE the message, to have the gay/bi characters be framed as narratively and within the universe as being these moral pillars, rather than shady outsiders.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, I think there's a lot internalized about the portrayals of non-heterosexual characters that, although the writers are trying to offer LGBT players options and show these characters in media, they're not really recognizing is still an issue, since they aren't individually affected by it.

I mean, this whole thread is built upon the idea that there has not been an LGBT love interest who is portrayed within the narrative as being someone of flawless and upstanding moral fiber by the standards of their society, which is the general definition of a KISA character. All of the LGBT LIs, with the exception of Josephine, have been very much of the 'questionable morals and attitudes' or has just plain been not-human, which is an underclass in the societies we're a part of in the DA games.

The way I look at it is that because most of the writers are (to the best of my knowledge) heterosexual, they aren't fully aware of the lack of diverse types of LGBT characters in media - most fall into the same categories, the loveable rogues, the sex-obsessed bisexual, the militant activist... We aren't seeing a lot of the same diversity in character archetypes within LGBT characters, seeing these characters receive the same wide and varied storylines as their heterosexual counterparts. And it's not that they wouldn't want to portray them otherwise, but, because they aren't personally affected by it, they miss the fact that we're in need of those characters.
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I disagree vehemently. The Dragon Age writing team is one of the most socially aware developers out there. I mean, we had a gay man as the Lead Writer for 3 games. Could we use more variety? Sure. But I highly, highly doubt they are unaware of the implications of the characters that were written as LGBT in previous installments.

[dgcatanisiri]

I'm not saying that they aren't socially aware. But we all have our blind spots. When it's not something that personally affects you, you can often miss something that to the person who is affected by it considers blindingly obvious. It's the same kind of thing as the story that's been passed around from Inquisition's development, about how a writer's meeting had the men signing off on a story element, and then the women writers point out 'uh, this could easily be taken as rape,' and the men suddenly getting it and having it rewritten. Because it's not something that the heterosexual writers on the staff are directly affected by and aware of, this absence of additional character types of LGBT characters, they miss it.

 

I'm not condemning BioWare for this. I'm just acknowledging that they have their faults, that as aware as they are and attempt to be, there are things that slip through the cracks because they don't experience these things and don't always know how important it is for these characters to be seen. Last year, BioWare employee Allan Schumacher made a topic on the subject of the unfortunate romance tropes that exist within BioWare games. There were several areas that related LGBT options - no KISA for LGBT players, gay/bi options have 'dark tortured pasts' that act as a reason why this character is gay/bi, bisexual characters are promiscuous and display a female preference, LGBT options being optional characters... For all that they do offer, there ARE still issues that need to be addressed and fixed with future games.

 

And it's not that I don't think that they ever will. But the point I was trying to make is that the writers are still fallible, that they have areas where they're going to mess up, just because it's not their experience, and they aren't going to be fully aware of these gaps as a result.

[HuldraDancer]

Sorry from going off the current topic at hand (I never seem to have anything truly meaningful to add to this discussion just a list of wants^^; ) but was boredly browsing through some web comics and found a body type I would really love for any KISA to have (I'm sorry I focus on the shallow things)

 

Putting it in tags and labeling it possible NSFW since the comic its apart of gets naked bodies and stuff in it and maybe this wasn't the best picture to choose but it shows off his body pretty well so screw it.

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http://www.therockco...m/comic/page-62

[Potato Cat]

I'm not saying that they aren't socially aware. But we all have our blind spots. When it's not something that personally affects you, you can often miss something that to the person who is affected by it considers blindingly obvious. It's the same kind of thing as the story that's been passed around from Inquisition's development, about how a writer's meeting had the men signing off on a story element, and then the women writers point out 'uh, this could easily be taken as rape,' and the men suddenly getting it and having it rewritten. Because it's not something that the heterosexual writers on the staff are directly affected by and aware of, this absence of additional character types of LGBT characters, they miss it.

 

I'm not condemning BioWare for this. I'm just acknowledging that they have their faults, that as aware as they are and attempt to be, there are things that slip through the cracks because they don't experience these things and don't always know how important it is for these characters to be seen. Last year, BioWare employee Allan Schumacher made a topic on the subject of the unfortunate romance tropes that exist within BioWare games. There were several areas that related LGBT options - no KISA for LGBT players, gay/bi options have 'dark tortured pasts' that act as a reason why this character is gay/bi, bisexual characters are promiscuous and display a female preference, LGBT options being optional characters... For all that they do offer, there ARE still issues that need to be addressed and fixed with future games.

 

And it's not that I don't think that they ever will. But the point I was trying to make is that the writers are still fallible, that they have areas where they're going to mess up, just because it's not their experience, and they aren't going to be fully aware of these gaps as a result.

I agree. I mean, even David Gaider wrote that really dodgy Zevran line with the preferring women, which I think at least really gives a bad impression of how it actually works while making any male characters romancing him feel a bit weird. And when it's not discussed, I hear so many people talking about how they 'headcanon away' any bisexuality and imagine the character is fully straight, or, (as sadly I see way more often), fully gay and the lengths they go to keep this illusion alive. For example, keeping Fenris and Isabela and Dorian and Iron Bull out of parties together to stop the dialogues about their relationships triggering on playthroughs where they don't romance them. And I find this kind of bi-erasure just incredibly hurtful. Though, I'm not sure how the writers could help prevent this much. I've even seen people headcanon away Isabela's bisexuality.

[Toasted Llama]

This actually makes me wonder how many female players with a fem Inquisitor completed and enjoyed the Josephine romance, since the Inquisitor is put in the traditionally male role of dueling for her. As a woman myself even if I felt inclined to romance Josephine on a female character based on her personality alone, the path of the romance is unappealing to me. I like romance, certainly, but I'm more inclined to go for Cassandra in that regard and I certainly would if I had the option on a female character.

 

I have yet to do the Josephine romance (SO MANY ROMANCES, so little time :'c ), but I personally don't really see much of an issue being put into a traditionally male/masculine role. Then again I don't really see duelling for Josephine as a traditionally male role, at least not in Thedas. The Inquisitor is fighting all sorts of supernatural beings and what not; duelling concurrention for the love of her life wouldn't seem much different.

 

But I would agree that I like Cassandra's romance more, which is weird because Cassandra's romance to me feels like a romance path where the Inquisitor is put in a traditionally male/masculine role (the whole sweeping Cassandra off her feet and drowning her in poetry and romance bit). Altho I'd probably headcanon some mutual swooning over smutty literature. Hmm, so manly xD

[daveliam]

I've got to say, I'm a bit worried about the life of this thread now that it's been banished to the "Franchise" sub-forum.  Let's try to make sure that we keep it active.  This is, by far, my favorite hangout on BSN and I'd hate to see it atrophy and die because of poor forum management decisions. 

[Potato Cat]

I've got to say, I'm a bit worried about the life of this thread now that it's been banished to the "Franchise" sub-forum.  Let's try to make sure that we keep it active.  This is, by far, my favorite hangout on BSN and I'd hate to see it atrophy and die because of poor forum management decisions. 

Maybe you could make it into a group? Then we wouldn't have to worry too much when we go too off topic, or we could make more niche threads for different types of LIs? I don't know, I just know that's what happened with the Life Is Strange thread from the off topic.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Yeah, I'm kinda worried about everything here in Feedback & Suggestions . I think that at least some of the threads could be moved to General Discussion or Story & Characters instead of exiled in the general franchise forums, but that would require more active modding than we usually get these days.

 

Anyway, in happier if somewhat off-topic news: I found a gay (or possibly bi or pan) character in another cRPG! Not one with romances, but I was happy to see one existing out in the wild anyway. (Warning: spoilers for Shadowrun: Hong Kong below the cut. Although the reference to the character's sexuality is hidden deep in a dialogue tree where I'm betting most people will never find it.)

 

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So, your character in the new Shadowrun game has a ork foster brother, Ducan Wu. Insofar as there are KISAs among Shadowrunners, he fits the bill - former street kid turned corporate law enforcement until his life goes to hell again, loyal and honest, has a violent temper but works on restraining it, likes to do things by the book and enjoys working out. (Like, really enjoys working out. He ends up getting saddled with Gun Show as a street name .) Anyway, about twelve hours into the game, this conversation happened:

 

Duncan: Hey, remember that time I really pissed off our foster dad?

 

PC: Do you mean that time you broke his rule about no dating before graduation?

 

Duncan: Nah, this wasn't about David.

 

Given that this is the kind of game where romantic relationships only come up if you're ambushing someone on the way to their mistresses' house, that's all we hear. I have no idea if he's into women as well - or if the rest of the companion characters are into guys, girls or goats.  Duncan's character development is all centred around his relationship with the PC and your foster father. But it's really nice to see more and more LGBT characters just popping up in video games like it's no big deal (because it shouldn't be.)