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[carlo angelo]

I don't buy into the idea that there's something preferable about a love interest that's only interested in my gender. It seems kind of possessive to me. Among other things.

 

 

 

If it were about evening out the representation, then both the gay and bisexual LIs have yet to include this archetype. ::shrug:: I have no dog in that particular fight, but I'm in the little-tiny-group that considered DA2's approach fantastic. 

 

Heh, they can't be too possessive, I mean... Cassandra has romanced a thousand Lavellans, Cadashes, Adaars, and Trevelyans by now. Sorry, my lame humour.

 

For me, admittedly, it's a combination of representation (which seems to be like a cuss word nowadays) and wishing for something different. But I don't want to expect it. What I'd expect, though, is that they can't go back to the "Origins" style of romantic interests where if you're playing an LGBT+ protagonist, you're most likely to be locked into just one option. Romance aside, I suppose it all boils down to what do the writers feel like writing and what they haven't written about yet. And with what's been said, we'll definitely see more queer characters and companions to come. It's just a question on what they'll be like. I'm a little saddened with David Gaider leaving Dragon Age since most of my favourite characters in the series were written by him.

 

I liked DAII's approach not just because it felt fair for four love-interests, but that the romance subplots were rationed out over three acts. Whereas in Inquisition, you could pretty much breeze through it and that part of the story would be almost over even before the middle of the game.

[GoldenGail3]

On the whole topic of this knight, I kind of don't want this to turn into "which minority demographic needs this romance more?" because I've seen enough arguing in online spaces. One of the main points is, it would be fantastic if the Knight-In-Shining-Armour archectype (if there is gonna be one in the next game, because who knows? Bioware would probably not write this character altogether) so happened to be LGBT+ character for once, so bisexual, pansexual, asexual... I'd be pretty stoked anyway, so long as they're written well.
 
If they turn out to be heterosexual... oh well. In the very end, my feelings about that would entirely depend on how I feel about the LGBT+ companions in the next game, knights or not (and yes, I was quite happy with Dorian this time around, so I have no complaints...).
 
 

 
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how appearances could impact your gameplay to that extent. I don't want to seem presumptuous, but I think It's perfectly understandable if you just prefer playing female characters, appearances aside.

No, I would play men, but playing a Warrior that looks femine? And your right, I do prefer playing girls (beside for Hawke, I make decent guys on DA2).

[kunzitesama]

Heh, they can't be too possessive, I mean... Cassandra has romanced a thousand Lavellans, Cadashes, Adaars, and Trevelyans by now. Sorry, my lame humour.

 

I liked DAII's approach not just because it felt fair for four love-interests, but that the romance subplots were rationed out over three acts. Whereas in Inquisition, you could pretty much breeze through it and that part of the story would be almost over even before the middle of the game.

 

I didn’t really care for the straight romance options for males in Inquisition. In DA:O I was surprised how much I liked Leliana, and Morrigan was also a complex character. In Inquisition, it was either tough girl Cass or Disney princess Josie. I wouldn’t hit up any of them IRL (Josie > Cass for me personally, but I ended up dumping Josie anyway.).

 

I also didn't understand the problem with DA:II's romance. IMO, Anders was more on the gay end of bi, and Merrill on the straight end. But people were just being too possessive, ala, I ONLY want Fenris/Anders to myself, no-one else can have him...

 

I was so disappointed that they left Cullen so late in DA:I. I think it would’ve worked so well if you ended being his knight in shining armour…

[dgcatanisiri]

I didn’t really care for the straight romance options for males in Inquisition. In DA:O I was surprised how much I liked Leliana, and Morrigan was also a complex character. In Inquisition, it was either tough girl Cass or Disney princess Josie. I wouldn’t hit up any of them IRL (Josie > Cass for me personally, but I ended up dumping Josie anyway.).

 

I also didn't understand the problem with DA:II's romance. IMO, Anders was more on the gay end of bi, and Merrill on the straight end. But people were just being too possessive, ala, I ONLY want Fenris/Anders to myself, no-one else can have him...

 

I was so disappointed that they left Cullen so late in DA:I. I think it would’ve worked so well if you ended being his knight in shining armour…

 

To be honest, it baffles me that apparently Blackwall was considered a priority over Cullen in regards to being a romance. Like... I assume that Cullen became an advisor because of fan reaction, and he is very much a traditional BioWare LI. Yet Blackwall was 'primary' romance and Cullen was 'extension'? It truly boggles my mind.

 

Although, I have to say, I really feel that Cullen would have been a better fit for a no-gates romance option over Bull (since Bull apparently required overtime to make sure all the animations work for all genders and races - maybe if they'd locked him to qunari and humans... Anyway). It's the fact that his storyline has resonance for everyone (addiction is a serious issue, and particularly in the LGBT community), and I think there's a really important narrative in seeing a character come to terms with their bisexuality over time - at most, you usually see 'yeah, I thought I was straight, but I was fooling myself, and I'm really gay.' I can't recall seeing a character acknowledge 'I was hiding from my attraction to other men, but I am attracted to women AND men, and that's okay.' Just... Really, every time I look at Cullen, I think 'we could have had this NOW.'

[The Ghost]

To be honest, it baffles me that apparently Blackwall was considered a priority over Cullen in regards to being a romance. Like... I assume that Cullen became an advisor because of fan reaction, and he is very much a traditional BioWare LI. Yet Blackwall was 'primary' romance and Cullen was 'extension'? It truly boggles my mind.

 

Although, I have to say, I really feel that Cullen would have been a better fit for a no-gates romance option over Bull (since Bull apparently required overtime to make sure all the animations work for all genders and races - maybe if they'd locked him to qunari and humans... Anyway). It's the fact that his storyline has resonance for everyone (addiction is a serious issue, and particularly in the LGBT community), and I think there's a really important narrative in seeing a character come to terms with their bisexuality over time - at most, you usually see 'yeah, I thought I was straight, but I was fooling myself, and I'm really gay.' I can't recall seeing a character acknowledge 'I was hiding from my attraction to other men, but I am attracted to women AND men, and that's okay.' Just... Really, every time I look at Cullen, I think 'we could have had this NOW.'

 

 

You are right here, we all saw that the romance between Male Inquisitor and Cullen was started but never finished, they've concentrate over his Straight Romance... even though Cullen was looking like someone 'I am trying to hide my attraction to other males, trying to not think about that, but then again when I look at you I feel this attraction have returned.' Or something like that, which clearly speaks that he is into girls and he is definitely into guys too... I think we might get him as romance option in DA4, but that just me. Speaking strictly for Male Protagonist and Cullen... 

[Andraste_Reborn]

To be honest, it baffles me that apparently Blackwall was considered a priority over Cullen in regards to being a romance. Like... I assume that Cullen became an advisor because of fan reaction, and he is very much a traditional BioWare LI. Yet Blackwall was 'primary' romance and Cullen was 'extension'? It truly boggles my mind.

 

As someone who plans to maybe get around to romancing Cullen some time in 2017 and adores Blackwall, I share your bogglement. I mean, it would have worked out fine for me, but I can't believe we almost got a version of the game where the options for straight female PCs were Blackwall and Bull while Cullen was standing right there but not available.

[dgcatanisiri]

You are right here, we all saw that the romance between Male Inquisitor and Cullen was started but never finished, they've concentrate over his Straight Romance... even though Cullen was looking like someone 'I am trying to hide my attraction to other males, trying to not think about that, but then again when I look at you I feel this attraction have returned.' Or something like that, which clearly speaks that he is into girls and he is definitely into guys too... I think we might get him as romance option in DA4, but that just me. Speaking strictly for Male Protagonist and Cullen... 

 

Much as I'd love that, I wouldn't pin my hopes on it. We've yet to have a character who was previously romanceable reappear as a new romance in a later game, and I don't think that they're going to change that just for Cullen and giving us this romance. The chance was in Inquisition, and they didn't give it to us.

[The Ghost]

Much as I'd love that, I wouldn't pin my hopes on it. We've yet to have a character who was previously romanceable reappear as a new romance in a later game, and I don't think that they're going to change that just for Cullen and giving us this romance. The chance was in Inquisition, and they didn't give it to us.

 

 

I still hold for hope... I really would like to experience this amazing romance with Cullen... the mod for bi Cullen isn't doing the job... I don't get the feel just soundless sentences from my male inquisitor... 

[daveliam]

I really think Cullen's story is done. I can't imagine him playing a role going forward. He could be anywhere from married to the Inquisitor to a dying lyrium addicted beggar in Val Chevin. I don't see them bringing him back at all, let alone as a LI, let alone as a bisexual LI. The time for to happen has passed.

[Potato Cat]

To be honest, it baffles me that apparently Blackwall was considered a priority over Cullen in regards to being a romance. Like... I assume that Cullen became an advisor because of fan reaction, and he is very much a traditional BioWare LI. Yet Blackwall was 'primary' romance and Cullen was 'extension'? It truly boggles my mind.
 
Although, I have to say, I really feel that Cullen would have been a better fit for a no-gates romance option over Bull (since Bull apparently required overtime to make sure all the animations work for all genders and races - maybe if they'd locked him to qunari and humans... Anyway). It's the fact that his storyline has resonance for everyone (addiction is a serious issue, and particularly in the LGBT community), and I think there's a really important narrative in seeing a character come to terms with their bisexuality over time - at most, you usually see 'yeah, I thought I was straight, but I was fooling myself, and I'm really gay.' I can't recall seeing a character acknowledge 'I was hiding from my attraction to other men, but I am attracted to women AND men, and that's okay.' Just... Really, every time I look at Cullen, I think 'we could have had this NOW.'

Yeah, I mean in the lead up to Inquisition, I was really pushing for a bisexual Cullen in the Cullen thread. It's the sort of story I'd really like to see from a bisexual character in the future. I mean, it's the sort of thing that is just so rarely discussed in any media, let alone video games. And even rarer is having it done well of course.

[Lady Artifice]

To be honest, it baffles me that apparently Blackwall was considered a priority over Cullen in regards to being a romance. Like... I assume that Cullen became an advisor because of fan reaction, and he is very much a traditional BioWare LI. Yet Blackwall was 'primary' romance and Cullen was 'extension'? It truly boggles my mind.

 

Although, I have to say, I really feel that Cullen would have been a better fit for a no-gates romance option over Bull (since Bull apparently required overtime to make sure all the animations work for all genders and races - maybe if they'd locked him to qunari and humans... Anyway). It's the fact that his storyline has resonance for everyone (addiction is a serious issue, and particularly in the LGBT community), and I think there's a really important narrative in seeing a character come to terms with their bisexuality over time - at most, you usually see 'yeah, I thought I was straight, but I was fooling myself, and I'm really gay.' I can't recall seeing a character acknowledge 'I was hiding from my attraction to other men, but I am attracted to women AND men, and that's okay.' Just... Really, every time I look at Cullen, I think 'we could have had this NOW.'

 

The minute I found out that they had added his romance later and that he was so strictly gated, I was stunned. It actually shakes my faith in their decision making as far as romances go, because that was nearly the most hugely wasted opportunity in the history of Bioware romances. 

 

As it is, I think they still wasted opportunity by having him so gated. 

[daveliam]

The minute I found out that they had added his romance later and that he was so strictly gated, I was stunned. It actually shakes my faith in their decision making as far as romances go, because that was nearly the most hugely wasted opportunity in the history of Bioware romances. 

 

As it is, I think they still wasted opportunity by having him so gated. 

 

Yeah, I was shocked when I learned that he was only a romance because of the extended development time.  He seemed like a no brainer to me.  I can only imagine the reaction we would have had if the two romances for straight females were a giant horned mercenary with a penchant for BDSM and a murderer who was concealing his identity for half of the romance.  Yikes!  Still bummed that they ditched Cullen's bisexuality, but it just means that I'm holding out hope for the next gay (or bisexual) guy to be our KISA. 

 

So now that we know that we're going to Tevinter next, what do you hope we see for our LGBT KISA.  I'm sure that they can come up with something awesome in Tevinter.  Maybe a Tevinter general on the front-lines of the Qunari war in Seheron?  Or an honorable slave gladiator?  Or a dwarven Ambassadoria guard?  I feel pretty confident that our KISA won't be trans, since Mae is almost a guarantee to play a major role in some capacity and I just can't see them adding two major trans characters.  Thoughts?

[Potato Cat]

Yeah, I was shocked when I learned that he was only a romance because of the extended development time.  He seemed like a no brainer to me.  I can only imagine the reaction we would have had if the two romances for straight females were a giant horned mercenary with a penchant for BDSM and a murderer who was concealing his identity for half of the romance.  Yikes!  Still bummed that they ditched Cullen's bisexuality, but it just means that I'm holding out hope for the next gay (or bisexual) guy to be our KISA. 
 
So now that we know that we're going to Tevinter next, what do you hope we see for our LGBT KISA.  I'm sure that they can come up with something awesome in Tevinter.  Maybe a Tevinter general on the front-lines of the Qunari war in Seheron?  Or an honorable slave gladiator?  Or a dwarven Ambassadoria guard?  I feel pretty confident that our KISA won't be trans, since Mae is almost a guarantee to play a major role in some capacity and I just can't see them adding two major trans characters.  Thoughts?

I think, given Nevarra's proximity to the Imperium, the Nevarran dragon hunter could still be a hot contender. (Pun intended) Much more likely for a M/M character though. Two Nevarran warrior women with strong links to dragons in a row? Not happening.

[daveliam]

I think, given Nevarra's proximity to the Imperium, the Nevarran dragon hunter could still be a hot contender. (Pun intended) Much more likely for a M/M character though. Two Nevarran warrior women with strong links to dragons in a row? Not happening.

 

Gay Nevarran Dragon Hunter, you say?  God I still really love that idea!  Gimme Gimme!

 

 

That being said, I hope that they hold off on Nevarra.  Tevinter and Seheron are big enough to stand alone (like Kirkwall did).  I'd rather see them hold off Nevarra (Nevarran succession crisis), the Anderfels (Grey Warden civil war), and Kal Shirok (the exploration of the titans and maybe that weird reptilian race) for DA5.  Then I can finally get my gay Nevarran Dragon Hunter (complete with sexy accent), right?  RIGHT!?!?!?!?

[Lady Artifice]

On a random but related note (speaking of KISAs from Tevinter), after the Trespasser DLC...

 

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I'm so aboard the Krem and Maryden ship, despite my general sense that Bioware is a bit over enthused about neatly pairing off companions and NPCs. That was cute.

 

[sandalisthemaker]

On a random but related note (speaking of KISAs from Tevinter), after the Trespasser DLC...

 

Spoiler

 

I'm so aboard the Krem and Maryden ship, despite my general sense that Bioware is a bit over enthused about neatly pairing off companions and NPCs. That was cute.

 

 

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Oh, I love the awesomely random ZITHER and Krem/Maryden scene!

Sooooo much better than the Human Cole scene, which unfortunately I got for my canon world state. Cole/Maryden is kind of.... awkward. Actually, Cole/anyone is really awkward. I'm so glad that there was an "Ummmmmmmmm........" dialogue option when Cole leaned in close to her, because that was my reaction exactly.

 

I will have to think about a Tevinter related KISA, because right now I'm not sure how that would work out.  So far, Tevinter is kind of on the darker end of the gray spectrum.  Dorian, Krem, and the fabulous Mae are bright spots so who knows, maybe a KISA can still come from there. A troubled past could definitely be the case, which I wouldn't oppose. Plus there's the whole non-mage in a place where magic is praised thing that could be interesting. 

 

A dwarf is always possible, since they seem to be prominent in Tevinter. 

[WildOrchid]

On a random but related note (speaking of KISAs from Tevinter), after the Trespasser DLC...

 

Spoiler

 

I'm so aboard the Krem and Maryden ship, despite my general sense that Bioware is a bit over enthused about neatly pairing off companions and NPCs. That was cute.

 

 

Otp tbh. And they referenced the chair glitch. I couldn't believe it.

[Lady Artifice]

Otp tbh. And they referenced the chair glitch. I couldn't believe it.

 

Best glitch explanation in Bioware history. 

[dgcatanisiri]

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Oh, I love the awesomely random ZITHER and Krem/Maryden scene!

Sooooo much better than the Human Cole scene, which unfortunately I got for my canon world state. Cole/Maryden is kind of.... awkward. Actually, Cole/anyone is really awkward. I'm so glad that there was an "Ummmmmmmmm........" dialogue option when Cole leaned in close to her, because that was my reaction exactly.

 

I will have to think about a Tevinter related KISA, because right now I'm not sure how that would work out.  So far, Tevinter is kind of on the darker end of the gray spectrum.  Dorian, Krem, and the fabulous Mae are bright spots so who knows, maybe a KISA can still come from there. A troubled past could definitely be the case, which I wouldn't oppose. Plus there's the whole non-mage in a place where magic is praised thing that could be interesting. 

 

A dwarf is always possible, since they seem to be prominent in Tevinter. 

 

I think it's likely we'll get another international team (it's something of a staple of the games, there always character from all over), so the Nevarran KISA might be possible. Like maybe a Nevarran prince (one maybe closer to the throne than Cassandra was, but please, let him be perfectly willing to take the throne while publically having a male lover, I beg) or dragon slayer. I am becoming greatly enamored of this idea as I think it over.

 

But maybe we'd meet one of Tevinter's templars - they're said to still exist, just basically acting as figureheads within Tevinter's twist on Andrastrianism.

[daveliam]

Tevinter Templar  could be a great idea.  Maybe a guy who has been loyal to the Black Divine and the Tevinter Chantry's teachings his entire life, but as reform efforts begin to sweep through Minrathous, he begins to question his loyalties.  His character arc could be focused on his determining his stance on the reform efforts.  You can help influence him through dialogue and actions, leading him to become more conservative (pro-status quo) or more reform oriented (pro-rebellion).  Please, please just make his sexuality a non-issue, though.  No cheesy dialogue or asking for permission or personal drama around it.  Just a gay guy (or gal) who is a firm KISA type and is struggling with issues of faith and loyalty.  That could be a cool perspective on Tevinter society.

[sandalisthemaker]

Tevinter Templar  could be a great idea.  Maybe a guy who has been loyal to the Black Divine and the Tevinter Chantry's teachings his entire life, but as reform efforts begin to sweep through Minrathous, he begins to question his loyalties.  His character arc could be focused on his determining his stance on the reform efforts.  You can help influence him through dialogue and actions, leading him to become more conservative (pro-status quo) or more reform oriented (pro-rebellion).  Please, please just make his sexuality a non-issue, though.  No cheesy dialogue or asking for permission or personal drama around it.  Just a gay guy (or gal) who is a firm KISA type and is struggling with issues of faith and loyalty.  That could be a cool perspective on Tevinter society.

 

Templars have no power in Tevinter, literally and figuratively.  They just fan the mages and feed them grapes if Dorian is to be believed. I think it would be interesting to have a Templar who sees the corruption of the magesterium and hates being completely powerless (literally and figuratively) to do anything about it.  He/she secretly allies him/herself with Dorian and Mae's faction before joining the protagonist's party.  He/she doesn't have to be anti-mage (that would make him/her largely unpopular if the forums are anything to go by) but just pushing for change the way Dorian is.

[dgcatanisiri]

Plus, with him being a templar, that would explicitly make him not a mage, which allows us to see Tevinter from a view closer to the middle - Fenris was a slave and thinks the worst of Tevinter, Dorian ascends to the magisterium and thinks the best of Tevinter (in terms of 'it can be redeemed,' anyway). This Tevinter Templar could easily serve as the middle ground between the two views, from the perspective of someone who has it better than a slave but still is subject to the whims of the mages.

 

And, given that he wouldn't be a mage, he wouldn't have that crushing family desire to marry and continue the magical bloodlines - if he joined the templars, it could well be that he had no expectations of having children anyway, since marriage seems rare (we have exceptions like Wesley, of course, but overall, they seem to be against it) for templars in general.

[daveliam]

Yep.  Now I want:

DA 4 - Tevinter Templar LI

DA 5 - Nevarran Dragon Hunter LI

DA 6 - ? 

[Tayah]

Tevinter and Seheron still leaves room for a female qunari KISA... just saying. Plus she might give us an insight into qunari from a new perspective. A Tevinter templar sounds kinda interesting... might make a fascinating dynamic for my mages who are usually on the 'good' part of the curve too.

[Grieving Natashina]

<boots up computer>

<checks to make sure the new puppy is asleep>

 

I apologize for the OT, but I wanted to say hello.  I have a few minutes to chat.  I took a break from my computer for awhile, then ended up getting a puppy.  A doxie/lab mix named Wilbur.  He's wonderful, but will be 3 months old as of tomorrow.  The office really can't be puppy-proofed, so I've been spending most of my time either in the living room or outside watching him and our other two dogs.  I have missed you guys and I promise I'll be back as soon as I can.  I figure that the puppy is still going to need a month or two of housebreaking/potty training before I can spend more than about 20 minutes in here.  Ya'll have no idea how happy it makes me to see that this thread is still going.  

 

Before I disappear again for awhile, here's a picture of Wilbur from the day of adoption.  He got rescued from a kill-shelter and was a little underweight when we first got him. 

 

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Love you all and I have been keeping you guys in my thoughts.

 

P.S.--Bisexual dwarven lady for LI, and, as always, a gay KISA.