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[vbibbi]

Honestly? Why on earth do we need several types of characters with several sexualities? If you keep that up you would need half an army as your followers.

 

So let's see what you had this time around:

 

- Josephine who is bisexual and basically goes for anything that walks on two legs

- Dorian who was gay and goes for anything on two legs and with a ****

- Iron Bull who goes for anyone and anything on two legs and therefore is pansexual

- Sera who is lesbian

- Cullen who is straight but only goes for humans/elves

- Blackwall who is straight and goes for anything on two legs

- and Cassandra who is straight and goes for anything that moves.

 

So according to some here we would need:

 

- a roguish lesbian character

- a roguish gay character

- a roguish pansexual character

- a nice lesbian character

- a nice gay character

- a nice pansexual character

- a roguish straight character who goes for males

- a roguish straight character who goes for females

- a nice straight character who goes for males

- a nice straight character who goes for females

- a roguish lesbian character who only goes for specific races

- a roguish gay character who only for specific races

- a nice lesbian character who only goes for specific races

- a nice gay character who only goes for specific races

- a roguish pansexual character who only goes for specific races (god forbid that we somehow give the impression that pansexual people just bone anything that moves)

- a nice pansexual character who only goes for specific races

- a roguish straight character who only goes for specific races (male)

- a roguish straight character who only goes for specific races (female)

- a nice straight character who only goes for specific races (male)

- a nice straight character who only goes for specific races (female)

- a nice transsexual character who is into males

- a roguish transsexual character who is into males

- a nice transsexual character who is into females

- a roguish transsexual character who is into females

- a nice transsexual character who because of his new sex is now homosexual

- a nice transsexual character who because of her new sex is now homosexual

- a roguish transsexual character who because of his new sex is now homosexual

- a roguish transsexual character who because of her new sex is now homosexual

- a male transsexual who is nice and pansexual

- a female transsexual who is nice and pansexual

- a male transsexual who is roguish and pansexual

- a female transsexual who is roguish and pansexual

- a nice transsexual character who is into males but only of certain races

- a nice transsexual character who is into females but only of certain races

- a roguish transsexual character who is into males but only of certain races

- a roguish transsexual character who is into females but only of certain races

- a nice transsexual character who because of his new sex is now homosexual but only interested in certain races

- a nice transsexual character who because of her new sex is now homosexual but only interested in certain races

- a roguish transsexual character who because of his new sex is now homosexual but only interested in certain races

- a roguish transsexual character who because of her new sex is now homosexual but only interested in certain races

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males of certain races

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females of certain races

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other people of certain races no matter their sex or gender

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males of certain races

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females of certain races

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with people no matter their gender or sex of certain races

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males of certain races

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females of certain races

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with certain races no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males of certain races

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females of certain races

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with certain races no matter their gender or sex

 

Does that about cover it? So that would mean we need a party of 64 people... yeah i think that should do the trick. If we got that can we finally get back to actually having meaningful stories and decisions instead of focusing on how to represent every sex, gender, gender identity, sexuality and what not in the game and then messing up in representing the sex scenes? That would be awesome.

You spent way too much time writing that post on a topic that is almost 200 pages long, which clearly shows the support of the idea...

[hedop85]

Well that just proves my point. How is something like that that important when the game lacks quality when it comes to proper character developement, storytelling and use of the open world? I mean I get that people want a diverse party and that is fine with me. I also would prefer, even though I don't romance them, to have the gay guy less promiscous, less girlish and just be a normal person who is gay and not a stereotype. I would also prefer the pansexual guy to be less: I **** everything that moves and the lesbian character less... shall we say annoying? But do you think it's easy for a heterosexual male? The only alternative to Cassandra who is so closeted about having a sexuality that it hurts is Josephine who isn't really that appealing either. Or what about dwarfen characters? You can't romance Varric so as a girl you are stuck with the Iron Bull who fucks you because... well he fucks everything. And Black Wall who is a an old man with a beard... wow very appealing. For male dwarves you can't romance Scout Harding even though I think many a guy would go for her simply because she is really cool and like the girl next door so you are stuck romancing women who are twice your size.

 

Like I said... all this I can understand but it's soo unimportant when the sex scenes are like watching sex scenes from 50's TV and when the storytelling and the story itself are lacking so much compared to DA:O and even DA2.

[SardaukarElite]

So according to some here we would need:

 

Quote them.

[Shechinah]

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Why'd you spell asexual as a-sexual?
 

[Andraste_Reborn]

Even if people have asked for all of those things, I don't think anyone wants all of them at once, all in the same party. Dragon Age 4, if an when it arrives, will probably have at least six romances. All this thread is saying is 'it would be neat if one of the gay characters was the same archetype as Alistair/Aveline/Cassandra/Cullen for a change.'

 

And Black Wall who is a an old man with a beard... wow very appealing

 

He sure is .

[hedop85]

Quote them.

 

It was an exaggeration. But don't pretend that every time someone asks for say another take on a certain char with a certain sexuality and what not half the forum asks for the same thing for other sex/sexuality mixes. My point was that if you would try to please everyone you would end up with something like I just posted. Yes I think it's time for a gay man who doesn't talk like he is trying to give you a makeover every time and is only concerned about sex and looks. It's also time for a lesbian who isn't butch, nasty and rude. It's also time for the bi-sexual/pansexual characters to be less like: I **** everything that moves and more like: I'm attracted to the person not their private parts. But I don't see how that is the main problem.

 

The main problem is that most of those characters were badly written and did not get enough developement so they always seemed like stock characters. Cassandra is always the do gooder, always by the book, always uptight and always angry. Varric is always the funny dwarf who doesn't take anything seriously, jests and just does stupid stuff. Sera is always nasty, unclean, unwashed and rude. There is no developement there even in the DLC's. How is Cassandra as a Divine not more at peace with herself given that she is a firm believer, in a position to do real good and shape the religion in a way in which it was supposed to be. Why is Varric not more down to earth and more responsible after seeing the destruction that Corypheus has caused, after having to rebuild Kirkwill and after assuming responsibility for so many lifes? etc. Dorian could start out roguish and a caricature of the a gay man and develope into something totally different because of his new responsibilities in Tevinter, the time he spend on the road with the Inquisitor and the things he has seen or even because of the relationship he starts.

 

So my point is: it's not that there are certain characters missing it's more that the ones we have are underdeveloped and badly written, often times corny and the story telling and the developement of each of the companions is subpar. It should, as it was in the past, a much bigger part of the story itself and the more you blow up the cast the less possible this is because you have to give too many guys screen time.

[hedop85]

Even if people have asked for all of those things, I don't think anyone wants all of them at once, all in the same party. Dragon Age 4, if an when it arrives, will probably have at least six romances. All this thread is saying is 'it would be neat if one of the gay characters was the same archetype as Alistair/Aveline/Cassandra/Cullen for a change.'

 

 

 

 

He sure is .

 

He wasn't appealing to my Dwarfess... seriously... my Dwarfess didn't want an old guy with a beard or a horned guy who shagged everything that he could get his hands on. She wanted Varric or Cullen or a proper dwarf. My elfen mage didn't want a closeted Cassandra or an unappealing Josephine but Scout Harding.

[SardaukarElite]

 But don't pretend that every time someone asks for say another take on a certain char with a certain sexuality and what not half the forum asks for the same thing for other sex/sexuality mixes.

 

And?

 

People won't get what they want. Some people will get what they hate. Some people will never buy another Dragon Age because of those things. It's up to BioWare to decide what they can include, for what cost. Discussions on the forum about people would like don't throw the game out of balance. This is just some people saying 'hey I think it'd be cool if you included this next time'.

 

So my point is: it's not that there are certain characters missing it's more that the ones we have are underdeveloped and badly written, often times corny and the story telling and the developement of each of the companions is subpar. It should, as it was in the past, a much bigger part of the story itself and the more you blow up the cast the less possible this is because you have to give too many guys screen time.

 

Fortunately BioWare blindly including everything people ask for on a forum at once isn't a risk we actually have to worry about.

[Andraste_Reborn]

The main problem is that most of those characters were badly written and did not get enough developement so they always seemed like stock characters. Cassandra is always the do gooder, always by the book, always uptight and always angry. Varric is always the funny dwarf who doesn't take anything seriously, jests and just does stupid stuff. Sera is always nasty, unclean, unwashed and rude.

 

See, I don't think any of that is true. Cassandra isn't always uptight and angry - just for starters, she likes to read ridiculous romance novels and joins in the game or Wicked Grace, not to mention her hilarious monologue over the Trespasser credits. Varric has plenty of serious moments, like when he takes part in Cole's personal quest, or talks about the Inquisitor's potential divinity, or reacts to Hawke being left in the Fade, or his relationship with Bianca. Sera isn't always nasty - she wants to help people, and sometimes she gives you terrible cookies on the roof! (I'm not even going to touch the quesiton of her personal hygeine.) I think that the Inquisiton characters are my favourite bunch of BioWare companions ever because all of them are layered.

 

Yes I think it's time for a gay man who doesn't talk like he is trying to give you a makeover every time and is only concerned about sex and looks.

 

That ... does not sound like Dorian. Sure, he's a fashion plate and vain as hell about his personal appearance. But when does he offer to give the Inquisitor a makeover, or show that he's only concerned with sex and looks? He came south because he was worried about Alexius and Felix, stayed to help the Inquisition because he was worried about the freakin' hole the sky, and then went back home to start a reform party and try to fix an entire country! Saying he only cares about sex and fashion is like saying Leliana only cares about shoes and nugs.

 

He wasn't appealing to my Dwarfess... seriously... my Dwarfess didn't want an old guy with a beard or a horned guy who shagged everything that he could get his hands on. She wanted Varric or Cullen or a proper dwarf.

 

That's fair enough. But my dwarf climbed Blackwall like a tree.

[hedop85]

 

See, I don't think any of that is true. Cassandra isn't always uptight and angry - just for starters, she likes to read ridiculous romance novels and joins in the game or Wicked Grace, not to mention her hilarious monologue over the Trespasser credits. Varric has plenty of serious moments, like when he takes part in Cole's personal quest, or talks about the Inquisitor's potential divinity, or reacts to Hawke being left in the Fade, or his relationship with Bianca. Sera isn't always nasty - she wants to help people, and sometimes she gives you terrible cookies on the roof! (I'm not even going to touch the quesiton of her personal hygeine.) I think that the Inquisiton characters are my favourite bunch of BioWare companions ever because all of them are layered.

 

She is uptight and angry. Trust me... I romanced her. Yes of course you have that silly thing with Varric but she still doesn't really take a step forward in letting her hair down and sort of becoming a bit more chilled. That game of wicked grace and a lot of other stuff is fan service to me. I like it but a lot of the stuff that happens like that doesn't really get taken into account once the game moves on or you talk to that person later on again... even as a Divine Cassandra continues to say: give me something to hit.

 

Again... yes Varric has moments but they are not carried through. Once you meet him again at the Winter palace he is all: oh I don't read those letters and do as I please again.

 

We obviously have very different views on the matter but to me the party members in DA 2 were more charismatic and better developed. But that's my view. I felt Inquisition fell short in a lot of ways but the gameplay wasn't the worst thing. I never imagined that they would do well in an open world system. That's just not what Dragon Age is made for and they didn't find a lot of meaningful ways to fill the world. But what I hoped would shine was the story and the people... and they fell short in my book which is a shame because that cast itself was quite cool.

 

 

That's fair enough. But my dwarf climbed Blackwall like a tree.

 

Did she have daddy issues ?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So according to some here we would need:

 

*snip*

 

Does that about cover it?

You forgot demisexuals. 

[The Ghost]

Honestly? Why on earth do we need several types of characters with several sexualities? If you keep that up you would need half an army as your followers.

 

So let's see what you had this time around:

 

- Josephine who is bisexual and basically goes for anything that walks on two legs

- Dorian who was gay and goes for anything on two legs and with a ****

- Iron Bull who goes for anyone and anything on two legs and therefore is pansexual

- Sera who is lesbian

- Cullen who is straight but only goes for humans/elves

- Blackwall who is straight and goes for anything on two legs

- and Cassandra who is straight and goes for anything that moves.

 

So according to some here we would need:

 

- a roguish lesbian character

- a roguish gay character

- a roguish pansexual character

- a nice lesbian character

- a nice gay character

- a nice pansexual character

- a roguish straight character who goes for males

- a roguish straight character who goes for females

- a nice straight character who goes for males

- a nice straight character who goes for females

- a roguish lesbian character who only goes for specific races

- a roguish gay character who only for specific races

- a nice lesbian character who only goes for specific races

- a nice gay character who only goes for specific races

- a roguish pansexual character who only goes for specific races (god forbid that we somehow give the impression that pansexual people just bone anything that moves)

- a nice pansexual character who only goes for specific races

- a roguish straight character who only goes for specific races (male)

- a roguish straight character who only goes for specific races (female)

- a nice straight character who only goes for specific races (male)

- a nice straight character who only goes for specific races (female)

- a nice transsexual character who is into males

- a roguish transsexual character who is into males

- a nice transsexual character who is into females

- a roguish transsexual character who is into females

- a nice transsexual character who because of his new sex is now homosexual

- a nice transsexual character who because of her new sex is now homosexual

- a roguish transsexual character who because of his new sex is now homosexual

- a roguish transsexual character who because of her new sex is now homosexual

- a male transsexual who is nice and pansexual

- a female transsexual who is nice and pansexual

- a male transsexual who is roguish and pansexual

- a female transsexual who is roguish and pansexual

- a nice transsexual character who is into males but only of certain races

- a nice transsexual character who is into females but only of certain races

- a roguish transsexual character who is into males but only of certain races

- a roguish transsexual character who is into females but only of certain races

- a nice transsexual character who because of his new sex is now homosexual but only interested in certain races

- a nice transsexual character who because of her new sex is now homosexual but only interested in certain races

- a roguish transsexual character who because of his new sex is now homosexual but only interested in certain races

- a roguish transsexual character who because of her new sex is now homosexual but only interested in certain races

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males of certain races

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females of certain races

- an a-sexual female nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other people of certain races no matter their sex or gender

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males of certain races

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females of certain races

- an a-sexual female rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with people no matter their gender or sex of certain races

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males of certain races

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females of certain races

- an a-sexual male nice person who wants to have a platonic relationship with certain races no matter their gender or sex

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other males of certain races

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with other females of certain races

- an a-sexual male rogue who wants to have a platonic relationship with certain races no matter their gender or sex

 

Does that about cover it? So that would mean we need a party of 64 people... yeah i think that should do the trick. If we got that can we finally get back to actually having meaningful stories and decisions instead of focusing on how to represent every sex, gender, gender identity, sexuality and what not in the game and then messing up in representing the sex scenes? That would be awesome.

 

I agree on what you said, so simply thing must be done, all characters should be represented as bi, like it was in DA2, but at least in DA2 there was no complains for whom you can or can't romance... so yes, this thread is heavily concentrated over The Gay Knight in Shining Armor... and obviously it's a long list of requests... so the simple choice is for the characters to be made bi, or if someone have problems with that, then when he creates his character to pick up his sexuality so when he plays the game nothing in which he is not interested to hit on him... I think the second choice with the pre-choice of your character sexuality is the best... 

[Hellion Rex]

At the end of the day, if everyone can have at the very least 2 options for a romance, then I'm sold and need nothing more. The breakdown of bi-gay-straight really doesn't matter to me.

 

though if my Nevarran Dragon Hunter is straight, I'll burn this forum to the ground.

[Lady Artifice]

"Dwarfess."

 

Kay.

[dgcatanisiri]

Someone has missed the point.

 

Yeah, of course you can't get everything you want in a single game. What threads like this are about is the idea that 'hey, you did things this way here, and it'd be nice to see things done THIS way next time.' Like, in three Dragon Age games, there are NO gay/bi characters who fall into this archtype, while there are at least three who are heterosexual over the three games. We're saying 'hey, so maybe you could give US one of these characters next time?' I mean, leaving aside all of the in-depth discussion we've had about the overall picture of representation, this is one of the simplest concepts - we're asking that the supply match the demand. Nearly two hundred pages on the topic, even cutting out the off topic fluff says that this is something that if not need is seriously desired amongst the fanbase.

 

It's asking for at least one, if not two, of these characters to appear in the next game, because we feel a character like that is missing, in terms of representation and just simple balance. Because as I've said before, there have been no gay/bi characters who fit the 'knight in shining armor' archtype, but at least three who fall under the 'loveable rogue' archetype. It's a call for diversity and variation. Because, shock of shocks, one size fits all doesn't work so well when it comes to romances. People want different things, and there's a sense that for gay/bi players, we're not getting that. And even the people who like what we've gotten are saying 'yeah, it works for me, but it'd be nice for something different every now and then too.'

 

BioWare has in the past expressed a desire to at least try to meet fan desires. So we're expressing that desire. Simple as that. We're not asking for all of our requests to be met in a single game. No one expects that. But since DA4 is probably in its earliest development stages, expressing what we'd like and what we think has been missing is helpful to tell them 'hey, so the fans are interested in this, maybe we can actually see some of these things turn up in the next game.' Obviously, we don't expect everything, but unless we TELL THEM that we think these things are missing and absent from their games, they're not going to know that they are.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Did she have daddy issues ?

 

Blackwall wasn't old enough to be my dwarf's daddy. Unless he was very precocious indeed. (There's an age gap, but it's ten years or so.)

[SardaukarElite]

"Dwarfess."

 

Kay.

 

Dwarfette?

[Lady Artifice]

Dwarfette?

 

That's definitely cuter.

[AresKeith]

At the end of the day, if everyone can have at the very least 2 options for a romance, then I'm sold and need nothing more. The breakdown of bi-gay-straight really doesn't matter to me.

 

though if my Nevarran Dragon Hunter is straight, I'll burn this forum to the ground.

 

[hedop85]

Dwarfette?

 

Oh shut it . I wanted something nicer than female dwarf. So Dwarfess sounded right to me.

 

 

Someone has missed the point.

 

Yeah, of course you can't get everything you want in a single game. What threads like this are about is the idea that 'hey, you did things this way here, and it'd be nice to see things done THIS way next time.' Like, in three Dragon Age games, there are NO gay/bi characters who fall into this archtype, while there are at least three who are heterosexual over the three games. We're saying 'hey, so maybe you could give US one of these characters next time?' I mean, leaving aside all of the in-depth discussion we've had about the overall picture of representation, this is one of the simplest concepts - we're asking that the supply match the demand. Nearly two hundred pages on the topic, even cutting out the off topic fluff says that this is something that if not need is seriously desired amongst the fanbase.

 

It's asking for at least one, if not two, of these characters to appear in the next game, because we feel a character like that is missing, in terms of representation and just simple balance. Because as I've said before, there have been no gay/bi characters who fit the 'knight in shining armor' archtype, but at least three who fall under the 'loveable rogue' archetype. It's a call for diversity and variation. Because, shock of shocks, one size fits all doesn't work so well when it comes to romances. People want different things, and there's a sense that for gay/bi players, we're not getting that. And even the people who like what we've gotten are saying 'yeah, it works for me, but it'd be nice for something different every now and then too.'

 

BioWare has in the past expressed a desire to at least try to meet fan desires. So we're expressing that desire. Simple as that. We're not asking for all of our requests to be met in a single game. No one expects that. But since DA4 is probably in its earliest development stages, expressing what we'd like and what we think has been missing is helpful to tell them 'hey, so the fans are interested in this, maybe we can actually see some of these things turn up in the next game.' Obviously, we don't expect everything, but unless we TELL THEM that we think these things are missing and absent from their games, they're not going to know that they are.

 

What I was actually trying to say with that post is this:

 

Stereotypes are bullshit. I often times have the feeling that the character isn't written before his or her sexuality is decided on. Like they said: okay let's have a gay dude, he should be a mage because that makes sense and it's best he be from Tevinter cause they are weird anyway. Instead of saying:

 

Okay let's have a person from Tevinter because it will introduce the lore and the feel of that place, we never had someone from there.

 

Okay so he should be human?

 

Yes I think so, I think he should be from a noble family too so that the player can actually confront him with all the rumors about Tevinter and the bad stuff that happens there.

 

Yeah that makes sense. So what kind of a guy is he?

 

I think he should be someone relateable, someone who is not the typical Tevinter slaver or a guy who promoted the ideas of Tevinter.

 

So like an outcast?

 

No not specifically just like someone who loves his country but isn't happy with the direction is taking.

 

So not an apologist?

 

Exactly. And he shouldn't be a magister because it would be unrealistic and also because we want to have someone portray that Tevinter isn't only slaves and magisters.

 

Yeah like a more rounded picture.

 

Exactly!

 

I don't give a penny about the rogue or what not. I want a character that feels real... normal. Just a normal person or let's not say let's say rounded someone who doesn't scream: hey I'm gay or hey I'm lesbian or hey I just **** everyone in your face.

[sandalisthemaker]

Oh my!

 

Happy Birthday KISA Thread!!!!

 

 

 

A year later and nearly 200 pages.  They grow up so fast... *sheds tear*

 

Thank you everyone who kept this thing going!  

[LorenzEffect]

That is a fantastic cake

 

To be honest, I don't know precisely how to phrase this.

 

I agree that a KISA gay option would be a pleasant novelty. I noticed back in Origins and 2 that the bi characters lean toward an "anything that moves" tendency, while the straight ones have more conservative tastes. And everyone's sexuality fits nicely within their archetype. I mean, Morrigan is straight because of course she is. While not KISA, she's like a character in an Arthurian legend.

Josephine was the first romanceable character to have an orientation outside of her archetype, as far as I see it. Her romance plays out like some classical love story such as The Princess Bride, where the titular character has a male love interest. All the other romanceable characters seem pretty in line with what I'd expect based on their personalities.

Now there's nothing wrong with characters being archetypal, as long as they're not stereotypical.

But something unconventional like a gay KISA would be excellent

[Grieving Natashina]

Hey all! I'll be adding my thoughts on the current topic and discussion later on this evening. I'll be checking out the posts soon. I'm on my Kindle with a wireless keyboard, because I've really missed you guys. This way I can say hello sometimes while keeping an eye on the puppy.

Edit: Okay, after reading the last couple of pages, I have to wonder if such criticism of this thread would apply to other romance discussions. if the thread was dedicated to tossing ideas around for straight romances, then I strongly suspect that we wouldn't have to justify a damned thing. I've been reading comments like that since 2010, and I will never ever understand it.

I have thought about it, and I am 99% certain that the ME and DA teams are so skittish about staying away from certain archtypes for their LGBT characters that they have gone an opposite direction. One of my biggest complaints about their execution of their LGBT characters is that female warriors are always straight in BW games, at least as far as DA and ME are concerned. It's like they are so gunshy of creating any sort of hint of a "butch" stereotype that they've avoided it all together. That's a shame, because just as there can be gay/ bisexual warriors as well as some straight male mages (I've thought about it and there really isn't any straight male mages. Anders is bisexual, Dorian is gay...and I think those are the only two male mages in the DA series in the various parties.)

Just my two coppers for now.

Edit #2: Here's the archive of DG's blog. It isn't complete, but it has the overwhelming majority of the entries available: http://the-gaider-archives.tumblr.com/

[FKA_Servo]

Welcome back, Nat. All the dumb threads that were happening when you left are still happening, believe it or not.

 

(This is not one of those dumb threads. This is a good thread, obviously.)

[Grieving Natashina]

Thanks. It's been a bit, but I needed the break from the net and from my PC in general.

As far as the threads go, I'm certain of that one. I don't think the requests for straight romances are an issue. In fact, I love the various ideas that can come of that and I've happily supported those threads in the past. It's mainly this odd (and imho, outdated) notion that the LGBT community has to justfy these suggestions and ideas time and time again. Suggesting isn't demanding. I have read only a very small number of people pull an ultimatum on Bioware, and frankly most of the folks that have done that aren't around very much.

To me, this is no different than any request thread out there. We know that these ideas will be taken as seriously or as lightly as the DA team deems fit. That's much of the fun for me. With all of these suggestions in this very long running thread, I'm curious to see how the DA writers are possibly going take this archetype(s) and turn them on their side.