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[Tayah]

Hey Nat, welcome back.

 

And already I pretty much agree with everything you've said especially how very reticent the Bioware writers seem to be about giving us a female warrior who's not straight and so far Merril was the only female mage who wasn't straight either. I nearly always forget about Merril and was starting to think no female mages are gay/bi when I remembered her, because most of the gay/bi females are nearly all rogues (Lelianna, Isabella, Sera) or non-companions like Sam Traynor and Josephine but then I remembered Merril. Speaking of mages...Solas is apparently a straight male mage... admittedly with a lot of question marks hanging over him... but technically  .

 

And I forgot to say earlier that is a fantastic cake Sandal and thanks for starting my favourite topic on these forums. 

[LorenzEffect]

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I have thought about it, and I am 99% certain that the ME and DA teams are so skittish about staying away from certain archtypes for their LGBT characters that they have gone an opposite direction. One of my biggest complaints about their execution of their LGBT characters is that female warriors are always straight in BW games, at least as far as DA and ME are concerned. It's like they are so gunshy of creating any sort of hint of a "butch" stereotype that they've avoided it all together.

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Eh, I disagree, they mostly seem to use stereotypes for ideas but then water them down and give the characters plenty of other personality traits to balance things. Like how Dorian has some characteristics of the "gay men are camp" stereotype, but he's much more three dimensional than just that.

[SardaukarElite]

I'm not sure Aveline and Cas are a big enough sample to draw conclusions from.

 

Speaking of mages...Solas is apparently a straight male mage... admittedly with a lot of question marks hanging over him... but technically  .

 

What's that supposed to mean?

 

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I thought Finn was supposed to be straight. At least I thought he was supposed to have an implied thing for Ariane...

 

Maybe I was projecting.

[Andraste_Reborn]

No, you're right - in the second volume of The World of Thedas it's revealed that Finn and Ariane run off together ,

[Tayah]

I'm not sure Aveline and Cas are a big enough sample to draw conclusions from.

 

 

What's that supposed to mean?

 

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I thought Finn was supposed to be straight. At least I thought he was supposed to have an implied thing for Ariane...

 

Maybe I was projecting.

Sorry, it means that so far Solas has been presented as straight as he's only available to a female quizzy. For the question marks I meant with the 'Dalish god' thing that makes him similar to Flemeth and therefore I'm not actually sure what he is... I've never been sure what Flemeth really is either and how much is Mythal, how much is Flemeth and how much is whoever else and whether that makes her an 'abomination', part spirit or something else that's not been fully defined yet (as far as I know).

 

I didn't express it well though, sorry for the confusion it was late and I was tired. If this is still a mess that's because I'm still tired 

[SardaukarElite]

No, you're right - in the second volume of The World of Thedas it's revealed that Finn and Ariane run off together ,

 

*sigh*

 

 

Sorry, it means that so far Solas has been presented as straight as he's only available to a female quizzy. For the question marks I meant with the 'Dalish god' thing that makes him similar to Flemeth and therefore I'm not actually sure what he is... I've never been sure what Flemeth really is either and how much is Mythal, how much is Flemeth and how much is whoever else and whether that makes her an 'abomination', part spirit or something else that's not been fully defined yet (as far as I know).

 

I didn't express it well though, sorry for the confusion it was late and I was tired. If this is still a mess that's because I'm still tired 

 

No it makes sense.

 

I think if they have romance options then that's good enough to assume from because there isn't a an actual real truth to discover.

[ModernAcademic]

The gay knight is Dorian riding Thranduil's stag all the way from Minrathous to save the Inquisitor from a Qunari invasion.

[vertigomez]

Random question, but whether they're a KISA or not does anyone have a preference for blonde/brunette/redhead/bald?

[sandalisthemaker]

 

And I forgot to say earlier that is a fantastic cake Sandal and thanks for starting my favourite topic on these forums. 

 

I didn't make the cake or anything ha!  I just thought it was a wonderfully appropriate image. 

 

Random question, but whether they're a KISA or not does anyone have a preference for blonde/brunette/redhead/bald?

 

I'm good with any hair/eye color combination when it comes to LIs, although I will say that Dorian was a nice change from all the blonde M/M LIs. 

[daveliam]

Random question, but whether they're a KISA or not does anyone have a preference for blonde/brunette/redhead/bald?

 

Red hair!  Outside of Sebastian, there's never been a male LI in any Bioware game who was a ginger!  I want a sexy hairy ginger with light eyes and freckles.  In a shining suit of armor fighting a dragon beside his boyfriend.

 

<Swoon>

[GoldenGail3]

Red hair!  Outside of Sebastian, there's never been a male LI in any Bioware game who was a ginger!  I want a sexy hairy ginger with light eyes and freckles.  In a shining suit of armor fighting a dragon beside his boyfriend.
 
<Swoon>

*Is dreaming about a rogue red head*.... I WANT A READ HEAD ROMANCABLE MALE IN ANY GAME!!!! *Is done type shouting*. But I love, love, love, love gingers. I live in a ginger household, where I'm the only one not read headed, so there's that.

[vertigomez]

Y'all crack me up. I do think a redheaded fella would be a nice change of pace. (What was with Sebastian's color scheme, anyway? Sort of reddish hair, tan skin, ELECTRIC TEAL eyes?!)

Let's see... for the gents we've had three blondes: Zevran, Anders, and Fenris (err...sorta), one brunette: Dorian, one baldie: Bull (who has dark stubble but still!), and zero redheads. And for the ladies... one blonde: Sera, three brunettes: Isabela, Merrill, and Josephine, zero baldies, and one redhead: Leliana. Did I get them all?

Clearly we need a ginger dude and a bald lady. (I was soooo in love with Safiya from MotB, and I'm forever bitter that she was supposed to be bisexual before the moral guardians stepped in and changed it. She's clearly in love with the PC regardless of gender, BUT I DIGRESS.)

[GoldenGail3]

Y'all crack me up. I do think a redheaded fella would be a nice change of pace. (What was with Sebastian's color scheme, anyway? Sort of reddish hair, tan skin, ELECTRIC TEAL eyes?!)
Let's see... for the gents we've had three blondes: Zevran, Anders, and Fenris (err...sorta), one brunette: Dorian, one baldie: Bull (who has dark stubble but still!), and zero redheads. And for the ladies... one blonde: Sera, three brunettes: Isabela, Merrill, and Josephine, zero baldies, and one redhead: Leliana. Did I get them all?
Clearly we need a ginger dude and a bald lady. (I was soooo in love with Safiya from MotB, and I'm forever bitter that she was supposed to be bisexual before the moral guardians stepped in and changed it. She's clearly in love with the PC regardless of gender, BUT I DIGRESS.)

*is sad if the red head is a gay* Sorry, my dream LI is a male rogue Robin-hood type guy that is a bit on the serious and professional side. Sighs. Maybe he'll be bi, becuase I'd be seriously destressed if I couldn't romance a ginger. I mean, I like KISA's, but I seriously would love to romace a ginger over a KISA any day...

[LorenzEffect]

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Clearly we need a ginger dude and a bald lady. (I was soooo in love with Safiya from MotB, and I'm forever bitter that she was supposed to be bisexual before the moral guardians stepped in and changed it. She's clearly in love with the PC regardless of gender, BUT I DIGRESS.)

That's an excellent idea! Now I'm imagining a romanceable character who looks like the bald woman in Star Trek The Motion Picture.

[daveliam]

Y'all crack me up. I do think a redheaded fella would be a nice change of pace. (What was with Sebastian's color scheme, anyway? Sort of reddish hair, tan skin, ELECTRIC TEAL eyes?!)

Let's see... for the gents we've had three blondes: Zevran, Anders, and Fenris (err...sorta), one brunette: Dorian, one baldie: Bull (who has dark stubble but still!), and zero redheads. And for the ladies... one blonde: Sera, three brunettes: Isabela, Merrill, and Josephine, zero baldies, and one redhead: Leliana. Did I get them all?

Clearly we need a ginger dude and a bald lady. (I was soooo in love with Safiya from MotB, and I'm forever bitter that she was supposed to be bisexual before the moral guardians stepped in and changed it. She's clearly in love with the PC regardless of gender, BUT I DIGRESS.)

 

Agreed with Gomez again.  I mean, this data driven now that you've crunched the numbers.  No one can argue with data, right?

 

*is sad if the red head is a gay* Sorry, my dream LI is a male rogue Robin-hood type guy that is a bit on the serious and professional side. Sighs. Maybe he'll be bi, becuase I'd be seriously destressed if I couldn't romance a ginger. I mean, I like KISA's, but I seriously would love to romace a ginger over a KISA any day...

 

I'd be down for a bisexual ginger KISA guy......

[GoldenGail3]

Agreed with Gomez again.  I mean, this data driven now that you've crunched the numbers.  No one can argue with data, right?
 


 
I'd be down for a bisexual ginger KISA guy......

YES!!!! My life is complete! I'm all for a Ginger KISA! But a better improved Red haired Sebastion would be amazing thought...

[SardaukarElite]

Agreed with Gomez again.  I mean, this data driven now that you've crunched the numbers.  No one can argue with data, right?

 

What, in this thread? I'm sure someone will be along shortly. 

[Lady Artifice]

Hi, Nat!

 

No, you're right - in the second volume of The World of Thedas it's revealed that Finn and Ariane run off together ,

 

Aww. 

[Seraphim24]

What, in this thread? I'm sure someone will be along shortly. 

 

No need to be so cynical Lydia Litvyak

 

Actually though on that topic while I am not familiar with her beyond the wikipedia summary ti sounds like she might of had sort of a gay KISA expression sexually no? For example she was a female fighter pilot but rather than that immediately leading to the "butch" sort of presentation it says at least there she dyed her hair blonde and had a sort of feminine appearance and approach to clothes and so on and wasn't really fitting into well yeah the exact stereotypes.
 

Anyway had to mention that was reading about WW2 battles the other day for whatever reason came across her page and was like "Hey... I've seen that somewhere."

 

Ahem! Anyway, the other thing though is I came across this pretty fun compilation video of this show I used to watch called Xena: Warrior Princess.

 

 

Anyway, while watching I had forgotten but there was this kind of back and forth thing with Gabrielle the whole show and then they had the kiss scene and I was like oh yeah there was some sort of same-sex sexual expression/undertones throughout the show, but I realized also the reason I had forgotten it was there was so much else going on, like she had the whole just fight for justice approach going on, some sort of like dominatrix kinda thing, a slice of just sort of easy-going soldier approach, she wasn't really anything like for example the more typical De Niro in Stardust with the clothes obsession and that much more generic stereotype gay expression sort of character.

 

So yeah, even though they're both expressing themselves sexually with the same sex, they're kind of worlds apart personality wise too it seems, with Xena fitting in much closer with this type of thread it would seem, so yeah thought I'd share. 

 

Oh yeah and a chick as well,   .. yeah she was pretty dang cool

[SardaukarElite]

No need to be so cynical Lydia Litvyak

 

Actually though on that topic while I am not familiar with her beyond the wikipedia summary ti sounds like she might of had sort of a gay KISA expression sexually no? For example she was a female fighter pilot but rather than that immediately leading to the "butch" sort of presentation it says at least there she dyed her hair blonde and had a sort of feminine appearance and approach to clothes and so on and wasn't really fitting into well yeah the exact stereotypes.

 

Well, I'm unaware of any suggestion she was actually gay. But yes she was her own person and held onto her femininity, dying her hair, making scarves, turning up to parade with a fluffy collar made from the inside of her boots, supposedly having a rose painted on her fighter. 

 

Shooting down an unarmed artillery observation balloon by attacking it from behind enemy lines  possibly disqualifies you from counting as knightly as well.

[Lady Artifice]

Well, I'm unaware of any suggestion she was actually gay. But yes she was her own person and held onto her femininity, dying her hair, making scarves, turning up to parade with a fluffy collar made from the inside of her boots, supposedly having a rose painted on her fighter. 

 

Shooting down an unarmed artillery observation balloon by attacking it from behind enemy lines  possibly disqualifies you from counting as knightly as well.

 

She had a rose painted on her fighter? I like this lady.

 

...We even have the same name. That's so cool.  

[SardaukarElite]

She had a rose painted on her fighter? I like this lady.

 

It's said by people who've written about her that she did, but there aren't any photographs so I'm a little skeptical. She did like roses though. 

 

It's given me a slightly odd desire to have rose etchings on armor in DA. 

[Lady Artifice]

It's said by people who've written about her that she did, but there aren't any photographs so I'm a little skeptical. She did like roses though. 
 
It's given me a slightly odd desire to have rose etchings on armor in DA. 

I've always head canoned that my Warden does, on her armor and cloak.

I would love to have that kind of aesthetic control in the game.

[GoldenGail3]

No need to be so cynical Lydia Litvyak
 
Actually though on that topic while I am not familiar with her beyond the wikipedia summary ti sounds like she might of had sort of a gay KISA expression sexually no? For example she was a female fighter pilot but rather than that immediately leading to the "butch" sort of presentation it says at least there she dyed her hair blonde and had a sort of feminine appearance and approach to clothes and so on and wasn't really fitting into well yeah the exact stereotypes.
 
Anyway had to mention that was reading about WW2 battles the other day for whatever reason came across her page and was like "Hey... I've seen that somewhere."
 
Ahem! Anyway, the other thing though is I came across this pretty fun compilation video of this show I used to watch called Xena: Warrior Princess.
 
https://www.youtube....h?v=DF0KDa0ivkY
 
Anyway, while watching I had forgotten but there was this kind of back and forth thing with Gabrielle the whole show and then they had the kiss scene and I was like oh yeah there was some sort of same-sex sexual expression/undertones throughout the show, but I realized also the reason I had forgotten it was there was so much else going on, like she had the whole just fight for justice approach going on, some sort of like dominatrix kinda thing, a slice of just sort of easy-going soldier approach, she wasn't really anything like for example the more typical De Niro in Stardust with the clothes obsession and that much more generic stereotype gay expression sort of character.
 
So yeah, even though they're both expressing themselves sexually with the same sex, they're kind of worlds apart personality wise too it seems, with Xena fitting in much closer with this type of thread it would seem, so yeah thought I'd share. 
 
Oh yeah and a chick as well,   .. yeah she was pretty dang cool

She's awesome! Make her Bi and we'll be set (I have a stronge ladies, and KISA guy canon. So yeah... It'd go in my canon box.) Meanwhile, for my Lavellen, Prince Consort thing I have in my third canon, I have gotta get a dark haired lady. Cass, Morrigan and Merril are canon in that one so another dark haired princess will do!

Hmm, I haven't played DAI today (I'm in Amercia, far, far away from my computer). But yeah, a Bi Warrior Female will be epic! Totally my third canons playthrough (if she has black hair of course, I have a theme here! And all)!

[Seraphim24]

She's awesome!

 

Yay another Xena fan!   Yeah let me just get at least one cool picture of her in here

 

 

Yeah the raven black hair and everything just fits together so well, she was a lot of fun.

 

Well, I'm unaware of any suggestion she was actually gay. But yes she was her own person and held onto her femininity, dying her hair, making scarves, turning up to parade with a fluffy collar made from the inside of her boots, supposedly having a rose painted on her fighter. 

 

Shooting down an unarmed artillery observation balloon by attacking it from behind enemy lines  possibly disqualifies you from counting as knightly as well.

 

Well in consideration of the fact that there isn't really ample evidence to identiy anyone as anything, and to include people who just seemed like they tend to or likely would express their sexual desires in particular ways, and to include people who might tend to express the possibility of them even ultimately get married or having a boyfriend (believe she expressed interest in having a BF at one point), it seemed logical to place her as someone likely to (particularly in a current era) at least in some way at some point gravitate towards sexual expression of some kind of gay/bisexual/KISA kind, at least, as I said, at one point or another, perhaps in conjunction with other things.

 

Like there are like youtube personalities who like go and say "I'm gay" and I'm like... you sure don't seem like you express yourself in a very gay way, and then there are those like Dumbledore where what they do exactly sexually never comes up but you always get the sense that they're at least somewhat different in how they approach this area of their life. It's much better to just go with how you instinctually view someone or feel from them, rather than attach too much value to whether or not we have like photographs of them doing certain things.

 

Or take Sera from DA:I, Sera from DA:I isn't expressing her same sex interests like Dumbledore, she's more of reckless kind of typical high carnal girl who limits her sexual activity to repeated sex with the opposite sex or at least a large amount of sex with lots of members of the opposing sex. The same sex expression is more like just to prove she is cool enough to kiss and to make her BF think she's edgy or something, but it's not like the more concerted and relaxed form of gay expression you would possibly find in Dumbledore, or (likely it seems) to be mixed in with the stronger sense of justice with Lydia.

 

The biggest issue I noticed was she was fighting on the side of Russia during WW2 which just wasn't going to end well.... because, well, actually nothing really ended well for pretty much anyone fighting on any side in WW2.