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Yay another Xena fan! :lol:  Yeah let me just get at least one cool picture of her in here
 
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Yeah the raven black hair and everything just fits together so well, she was a lot of fun. :wizard:
 

 


To be honest, the lady KISA being Bi would be amanzing. Either way, I'm fine with one bi KISA. And one gay/lesbian one. But I'd pefer it to be to the female, I could just image her, Morrigan, and Cass sitting in a corner, talking about their men or at least in mine... (Cass would like "Artemis? He's a wip. He can't even use a sword, and he's a Knight Enchanter too!" Morrigan: "Brendan is implusive, and often unthinking, but maybe it's becuase he's a Templar." Then that Warrior lady is like "Alexander? The man that implusivily saved me even thought I tried to kill him. I thought he was a weakling at first, but he turned out to really know a few things on not offending a woman like myself.") Warrior ladies are the best ever!

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Wow you are pretty imaginative =]


I have a passion for writing. It's very fun for me to think about characters and how I can create them. That's partially why I went nuts on the 'Create your own LI thing'. I think too much, so I have to write them down before I forgot.
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I have a passion for writing. It's very fun for me to think about characters and how I can create them. That's partially why I went nuts on the 'Create your own LI thing'. I think too much, so I have to write them down before I forgot.

 

I see!  =]  Sorry I actually hid my comment because I thought of another bigger point post I was going to make and started on that, but that point remains, you are indeed imaginative :wizard:

 

But yeah I was thinking of two other things I came across, which is um Alejandro Murrieta and Elena Montero from the 1998 movie Mask of Zorro, which, again sort of like Lydia, or even less, since the two are actually having a sort of straightforward heterosexual courtship, but the characters are such that it seems like there might of likely or would of been some kind of gay/bi expression sort of experience at one point or another along the way.

 

Alejandro in particular starts off as the kind of dashing charismatic rogue, but he is thus flimsy in the event of serious circumstance and in high society where more discipline is required. Consequently, Don Diego da la Vega (or the original Zorro) instructs him in the finer elements, in order to make him not just a dashing rogue but to combine that with a kind of KISA presence, culminating in this scene.

 

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Again, not necessarily the same kind of example because the movie makes it clear the two are heterosexually focused for the most part (although even that wouldn't preclude some form of bi expression), but it seems as I say likely to believe there would of bi/KISA kinds of expression as well for both of them at one point or another. If nothing else, there isn't really anything precluding kinds of bi expression.

 

The second thing was that I had forgotten but Bioware actually has an example of Aribeth de Tylamarande! In that case it also was clearly posited as a heterosexual sort of thing (her and Fenthick), but actually I had forgotten but at the end of Hordes of the Underdark she talks abotu how she never loved him at all it was more the person she was supposed to love.

 

That doesn't of course as with all these examples clarify exactly what she wanted or did or when she did it but her character and overall impression seem to combine a kind of roguish flair with KISA tendencies.

 

In many ways Aribeth has the same sort of disconnected moral compulsion that animates someone like Cassandra but unlike her or Alistair or Dorian she is also considerably more driven to complete the arc between emotional point of contact and reality (i.e. the KISA aspect)



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You know thinking about it bet you could throw in Elena Montero as a bit of a KISA as well, she has sort of this prickly roguish flair but marries to a kind of a high society leader and general capacity and so on.

 

Plus she is pretty cute eh?

 

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Anyway I thought of another one it's probably not as well known or more well known or whatever but Erza Scarlett from Fairy Tail is sort of like a mini gay KISA. Even though once again she is sorta technically it seems heavily implied as part of a canonical hetero relationship with Jellal, she is like this kind of hybrid between a sympathetic and like adventurous spirited person similar to the other two, but she also has this robut sense of justice and kind of combative spirit as well.

 

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Anyway I thought of another one it's probably not as well known or more well known or whatever but Erza Scarlett from Fairy Tail is sort of like a mini gay KISA. Even though once again she is sorta technically it seems heavily implied as part of a canonical hetero relationship with Jellal, she is like this kind of hybrid between a sympathetic and like adventurous spirited person similar to the other two, but she also has this robut sense of justice and kind of combative spirit as well.

 

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Don't forget that she is pretty strong as well.


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Red hair!  Outside of Sebastian, there's never been a male LI in any Bioware game who was a ginger!  I want a sexy hairy ginger with light eyes and freckles.  In a shining suit of armor fighting a dragon beside his boyfriend.

 

<Swoon>

 

Back on this subject, this request should be repeated often as far as I'm concerned. A ginger guy should really happen. 

 

In perhaps the weakest segue I've ever made, has anyone played with the CC in Fallout 4 yet? I'm reeling a little. There hasn't been much in the way of improving the hair in this thing.

 

Still more style options than DAI. 


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^ I won't be getting Fallout till the end of the week, although I've been hearing some bad things in regards to the gameplay, story, characters, graphics, etc.

 

In regards to this thread, let me know if there are any characters who would be good examples of a KISA, especially since all the romanceable companions are bisexual, or so I've heard. 


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Orly? I haven't researched FO4 at all, but does anyone know how many companions there are, how many we can take in a party at once, and how romances there are? I liked having companions in FONV but I think we were limited to two companions at a time? And FO3 to one companion? This is how impactful they were to my memory...

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I've heard 12 companions, but only one can travel with you at a time.

 

Paladin Danse seems to be, at first glance, a contender for a KISA.  He's got the armor, and apparently approves of "kind" actions.  I know nothing else about him since I don't have the game yet, so who knows. 

 

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I'm gonna sidestep the Fallout 4 talk for the moment, since I won't be joining in until at least Christmas...

 

I do have a minor request for at least the next gay/bi male option. It's kind of a little thing to be bothered by, but I really don't want to have ANOTHER male LI express an interest in being the 'kinky sex' type. Like, on top of Bull's romance explicitly involving bondage, Zevran and Dorian both also make unprompted remarks about being tied up (Zevran's remark about chains and wanting to join in when the Warden arrives at Haven, Dorian's about how he's been told he looks good in rope), and there's also a banter between Hawke and a romanced Anders where Anders discusses a rescue fantasy and purple!Hawke suggesting they'd have found a different use for the chains, even if that was a line for either gendered Hawke... I half think the only reason we don't hear anything about it in Fenris's romance is that they considered tying up the former slave and suggesting he was turned on by it to be in poor taste.

 

I'm just really uncomfortable with this portrayal of male/male sex as being almost inherently kinky, based on how all but one of the male LI's seem to be up for it. I mean, the reason I am uncomfortable with Bull's romance is because I'm asexual and find bondage too far out of my comfort zone. To be getting this portrayal that queer men are always up for the kinky things is just not sitting well for me.


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Well for a moment, I want a Middle Aged man with short red hair and deep brown eyes and a Robin hod background. He's also a rogue, a archer. Becuase he's a Robin Hood like person, he's a GW. He approves of... Good stuff, such as helping people but also being ruthless and direct in actions. He hates it If make unfair deals with nobles that don't deserve your pity. He knows of the Red Jennies of course, but he himself were never a part of it. He also isn't pretty to look at, with mutilply scars across his face and body. (Just an anti KISA guy idea I really like).


For Bi KISA's (woman), she'll be a gladiator, duel wielding. Cause that sounds amazing. And I like that idea so very much. And she'll look like Xena pretty much.

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I've heard 12 companions, but only one can travel with you at a time.

 

Paladin Danse seems to be, at first glance, a contender for a KISA.  He's got the armor, and apparently approves of "kind" actions.  I know nothing else about him since I don't have the game yet, so who knows. 

 

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Right now I know he's got a great jawline and can rock that scruff. But I'm sure someone will be able to mod past the companion limit. 


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To be getting this portrayal that queer men are always up for the kinky things is just not sitting well for me.

 

I see what you mean. Most of the kinky LIs have been the m/m options - outside of that, there's only Isabela. Unless Sera is also kinky - haven't played that romance yet. Not that it would help much, since 'LGB LIs are almost always kinky' isn't a lot better than 'dudes who are into dudes are always kinky.'

 

Obviously the solution is clear: kinky straight people!

 

(Seriously, there haven't been any among the love interests in the series. I think the closet you get is the line you can choose about Morrigan being tied up and tickled. Alistair is inexperienced and apparently vanilla, Sebastian won't have sex with you at all, Cassandra likes her romance traditional and whatever Lavellan gets up to with Solas is left entirely to the player's imagination. Haven't done the Cullen-mance yet, but I feel like I'd have heard about it if there was bondage there. And as hot as Blackwall in chains may be, I don't think that was meant to be sexy.)


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In perhaps the weakest segue I've ever made, has anyone played with the CC in Fallout 4 yet? I'm reeling a little. There hasn't been much in the way of improving the hair in this thing.

 

Yes. I found it a bit odd but managed something okay. Hair moves and remains under some of that hats though, so that's pretty neat.

 

 

In regards to this thread, let me know if there are any characters who would be good examples of a KISA, especially since all the romanceable companions are bisexual, or so I've heard. 

 

I'm not sure if he's actually a romance but Preston Garvey basically just runs around helping people. Well until you show up then he tells you to do that, but you know, video games. 


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I'm not sure if he's actually a romance but Preston Garvey basically just runs around helping people. Well until you show up then he tells you to do that, but you know, video games. 

 

Apparently, every human companion (except Deacon) can be romanced with no gender restrictions. 

 

Preston Garvey is pretty knightly. He does send you on a mission to help people, but only because he's staying to guard another group. 


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No gender restrictions and you can have multiple relationships aswell. Right on!


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I'm gonna sidestep the Fallout 4 talk for the moment, since I won't be joining in until at least Christmas...

 

I do have a minor request for at least the next gay/bi male option. It's kind of a little thing to be bothered by, but I really don't want to have ANOTHER male LI express an interest in being the 'kinky sex' type. Like, on top of Bull's romance explicitly involving bondage, Zevran and Dorian both also make unprompted remarks about being tied up (Zevran's remark about chains and wanting to join in when the Warden arrives at Haven, Dorian's about how he's been told he looks good in rope), and there's also a banter between Hawke and a romanced Anders where Anders discusses a rescue fantasy and purple!Hawke suggesting they'd have found a different use for the chains, even if that was a line for either gendered Hawke... I half think the only reason we don't hear anything about it in Fenris's romance is that they considered tying up the former slave and suggesting he was turned on by it to be in poor taste.

 

I'm just really uncomfortable with this portrayal of male/male sex as being almost inherently kinky, based on how all but one of the male LI's seem to be up for it. I mean, the reason I am uncomfortable with Bull's romance is because I'm asexual and find bondage too far out of my comfort zone. To be getting this portrayal that queer men are always up for the kinky things is just not sitting well for me.

Yeah, Zevran, Isabella and Bull seem to fall into the depraved bisexual trope sometimes where they will not only bang anyone, but be as kinky as we want. Bio sticks to tropes usually, so a gay KISA most likely would only be into vanilla sex.

 

 

 

Apparently, every human companion (except Deacon) can be romanced with no gender restrictions. 

 

Preston Garvey is pretty knightly. He does send you on a mission to help people, but only because he's staying to guard another group. 

Very cool. I wonder if the romances/interactions change depending on player gender or if they run the same regardless.


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Back on this subject, this request should be repeated often as far as I'm concerned. A ginger guy should really happen. 

 

In perhaps the weakest segue I've ever made, has anyone played with the CC in Fallout 4 yet? I'm reeling a little. There hasn't been much in the way of improving the hair in this thing.

 

Still more style options than DAI. 

 

The hair is lacking in Fallout 4, but my Sole Survivor is hawt.  He looks like a beefy,bearded, ginger Adam Levine type.  Yum. 

 

Orly? I haven't researched FO4 at all, but does anyone know how many companions there are, how many we can take in a party at once, and how romances there are? I liked having companions in FONV but I think we were limited to two companions at a time? And FO3 to one companion? This is how impactful they were to my memory...

 

Spoiler

 

I've heard 12 companions, but only one can travel with you at a time.

 

Paladin Danse seems to be, at first glance, a contender for a KISA.  He's got the armor, and apparently approves of "kind" actions.  I know nothing else about him since I don't have the game yet, so who knows. 

 

h4-noscale.jpg

 

I'm working on Danse as we speak.  Just finishing up his quest line.  He's a Brotherhood of Steel member, so while he's 'good', he's got some questionable (and narrow minded) views about technology and the acquisition of it. 

 

My goal was to get all 4 of the romanceable guys and then figure out which one I liked the best.  But I got to Danse early and, as Exile said, his jawline is just too damned good to pass up.  He's rugged and handsome and a frontline soldier in giant-ass armor.  How could I say no?  I've met Preston as well, but he doesn't do much for me.  He's fine, but I was happy passing on him for now.  He'll get a playthrough at some point, though.

 

Apparently, every human companion (except Deacon) can be romanced with no gender restrictions. 

 

Preston Garvey is pretty knightly. He does send you on a mission to help people, but only because he's staying to guard another group. 

 

Preston is pretty close to a KISA type as well.  He's loyal, brave, and 'good'.  And, although he's more a sniper type, he's a soldier (although I personally think he falls a little closer to the Robin Hood type in some ways).  He's also a little bland.  But he's the bisexual "KISA of color" that people have been hoping for, so I'm happy for all of those who have been hoping for a PoC for this trope in a game. 

 

A few of my other thoughts on Fallout 4:

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Great jawline, definitely.

 

Brotherhood of steel guys usually bug me, though. :(



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Great jawline, definitely.

 

Brotherhood of steel guys usually bug me, though. :(

 

Yeah, there's that.....  He's a little....dogmatic for my liking.  But he's cute.  ;)


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The hair is lacking in Fallout 4, but my Sole Survivor is hawt.  He looks like a beefy,bearded, ginger Adam Levine type.  Yum. 

 

 

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I'm working on Danse as we speak.  Just finishing up his quest line.  He's a Brotherhood of Steel member, so while he's 'good', he's got some questionable (and narrow minded) views about technology and the acquisition of it. 

 

My goal was to get all 4 of the romanceable guys and then figure out which one I liked the best.  But I got to Danse early and, as Exile said, his jawline is just too damned good to pass up.  He's rugged and handsome and a frontline soldier in giant-ass armor.  How could I say no?  I've met Preston as well, but he doesn't do much for me.  He's fine, but I was happy passing on him for now.  He'll get a playthrough at some point, though.

 

 

Preston is pretty close to a KISA type as well.  He's loyal, brave, and 'good'.  And, although he's more a sniper type, he's a soldier (although I personally think he falls a little closer to the Robin Hood type in some ways).  He's also a little bland.  But he's the bisexual "KISA of color" that people have been hoping for, so I'm happy for all of those who have been hoping for a PoC for this trope in a game. 

 

A few of my other thoughts on Fallout 4:

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Can you share a pic of your Sole Survivor? You had me at ginger Adam Levine

 

I'm surprised on the gender imbalance. It's the DAI LI debate all over again! Though I'd be surprised if Bethesda forums are as keen on the romances as we are here. Also, why can't we play with four companions, so I could wander around the post apocalyptic landscape with my man harem :lol: :wub:

 

Great jawline, definitely.

 

Brotherhood of steel guys usually bug me, though. :(

That's when you just shush him and tell him to keep looking pretty :P



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On the subject of bondage/kink and gay sexual expression, it seems to me the nature of sexual expression doesn't really seem to move from one thing to gay to bi to pansexual or something where all that's changing is the genders or types of exact people involved.

 

Like there is kind of a steadfastly just gay sort of person like Dumbledore, who it seems the author has stated desires to sexually express himself with other men, but it seems likely to conclude it never went so far as to include roleplay or power exchange or games or whatever, let alone bondage. 

 

Like it's like there are plenty of kind of roleplay dominance games, or just games generally, that a group of commited adults might experience or indulge in like one of them masturbating to their preferred significant partner while pretending they are actually Nathan Fillion and while the third observes observes the other two as like a slight exhibitionist thing or something, and if the first person/he/she reaches orgasm then their significant partner promises not to wear any underwear the next day or, like something, and this can be all men or all women doing this or perhaps a mix of one kind or another.

 

Or maybe these people just want to have one person dress up as a maid with makeup or something even though they're a guy and the girl dresses up like a cop and they have some kind of reverse gender/androgyny roleplay or something or other, where there are themes of authority and power but it's not necessarily bondage or something, or, maybe they're both guys or both girls.

 

Ok sorry that might of been a bit graphic, but yes to make the point, there frequently is a kind of gay sexual expression, but then the qualities don't seem to be particularly focused on just same sex intimacy they start to branch out in other ways that aren't easily categorizable or fall into the lion's share of currently existing categories.

 

Once you get to Cassandra with the sort of straining towards the KISA kind of gay expression but still possibly straight at times sort of thing, but not just a streaky sort of gray Dorian type, things get pretty different. Cassandra would probably kiss and fondle her same sex Inquisitor partner (know that's not canonically possible but.. yeah) in a steadfast non-explorative sort of way, but she also might go past that into some other things, while also not going into things past that point, and which can be sort of random elements in between hard bondage and discipline and simple same sex intimacy, like I was saying, random games.

 

In general, if that aforementioned group of people or perhaps just a pair of those people are into actually literally physically tying each other up (or just always one over the other) or bondage they are in a much smaller subset of the category of that hypotehtical aforementioned group of people generally into roleplay of power and dominance games generally, and who are often a subset of the category of just general adults expressing themselves in a gay sexual manner. Anyway, there can be a theme of power, but it can have varying degrees of expression or it takes different forms.

 

Anyway, just saying there are small and subtle variations to be wary of in the... bigger picture, so as to the poster stated bondage is going too far but other areas might still be relevant and not necessarily correct to go wheeling all the way back to just focus on same sex sexual intimacy, there lots and lots of people who fall in between those two points.



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Don't forget that she is pretty strong as well.

 

Yeah Erza is neat. =]

 

she'll be a gladiator, duel wielding. Cause that sounds amazing. And I like that idea so very much. And she'll look like Xena pretty much.

 

Sounds like Xena ^_^



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Yeah Erza is neat. =]
 

 
Sounds like Xena ^_^


Really? I've always wanted a Bi Lady Duel Wielder with a Tevinter Gladitor Slave background, it sounds amazing to me.

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Really? I've always wanted a Bi Lady Duel Wielder with a Tevinter Gladitor Slave background, it sounds amazing to me.

 

Honestly it seems to me the idea of a female warrior generally is kind of underserved, typically they are mages or in other instances paladins but often not full on kind of hard charging warriors. ^_^