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[Battlebloodmage]

And that's exactly why his strength will eventually get to the point where your character can't. (Not to mention who knows how dependent you'll eventually end up being to the serum and if it has any side effects that Jack negated through trial and error your character might be nothing more than a junkie begging for another fix and he makes sure to only give you one at a time so you have to depend on him for that next hit). He was imprisoned by people who were researching his weaknesses for that 200 years and had control over how much of the serum they received from him. And it doesn't have to be overnight he got stronger in that asylum, he will definitely get stronger completely free wandering the common wealth.  It's not some noble ends justify the means deed that benefits the whole commonwealth unless your character ego is over-inflated enough to think they're necessary for the commonwealth to function.

 

Also he doesn't need to be superman. He just needs to be stronger than your character. Considering how fast Jack aged without the Serum just waiting for a few years to go by and then "vanishing" till your feeble and old from the lack of serum would be a perfectly viable plan.

And you think I would just go into a fight with him alone? Where do you think he can hide with the Institute having spies everywhere?  I probably put surveillance on him, and at some points, I'll probably capture him for the Institute to research. You think I would just let him give me blood as opposed to just capture him once I'm done defeating the other factions? I don't need him anymore once I discover his secrets. 

 

My world doesn't need me to function but I do know as long as I'm alive, I would do my best to help it. If there are others come up that are better fits, I'd give up my position willingly. 

[Ryzaki]

And you think I would just go into a fight with him alone? Where do you think he can hide with the Institute having spies everywhere?  I probably put surveillance on him, and at some points, I'll probably capture him for the Institute to research. You think I would just let him give me blood as opposed to just capture him once I'm done defeating the other factions? I don't need him anymore once I discover his secrets. 

 

My world doesn't need me to function but I do know as long as I'm alive, I would do my best to help it. If there are others come up that are better fits, I'd give up my position willingly. 

 

And you think he wouldn't bribe your allies (and enemies for that matter) with his super blood? I mean come on unless you're gonna be giving everyone a share of the blood he can just as easily offer it to others. Also your character doesn't put any surveillance on him (not to mention depending on which faction you side with said surveillance is impossible). If anything he could disrupt your whole power base using his blood as a reward. The more people who know the more people who are gonna want their slice. Also that's exactly what your character does (leave him alone and unsupervised). As I said that's the game you got even if it's not what you wanted. Also if you're doing this on the institute side again there's zero reason for it. You could just as easily continue the cybernetics project without the security risks Lorenzo presents.

 

You don't need to be immortal to do that.

[Battlebloodmage]

And you think he wouldn't bribe your allies (and enemies for that matter) with his super blood? I mean come on unless you're gonna be giving everyone a share of the blood he can just as easily offer it to others. Also your character doesn't put any surveillance on him (not to mention depending on which faction you side with said surveillance is impossible). If anything he could disrupt your whole power base using his blood as a reward. The more people who know the more people who are gonna want their slice. Also that's exactly what your character does (leave him alone and unsupervised). As I said that's the game you got even if it's not what you wanted.

 

You don't need to be immortal to do that.

I said Institute specifically because that's my current character. It's FO game, it's a RP game, I RP it as I put surveillance on him after the ending simply because I'm busy dealing with the other factions in the mean time. Maybe that's what happen in your game doesn't mean it happen in my game. You can't bribe synths. They're immortals and all those robots are already gone through many psychological test before letting onto the field. There is nothing to bribe because once the scientists finish their research on him, everyone inside the institute will benefit from the blood. You think those people down there would give up a chance to research something like immortality? There is nothing he can bribe either the scientists or synths with, especially if he locked in a room with camera and everything. 

[Ryzaki]

I said Institute specifically because that's my current character. It's FO game, it's a RP game, I RP it as I put it on him after the ending simply because I'm busy dealing with the other factions in the mean time. Maybe that's what happen in your game doesn't mean it happen in my game. You can't bribe synths. They're immortals and all those robots are already gone through many psychological test before letting onto the field. 

 

Eh you can do that quest after the ending and the same thing happens so that's a no go. It's not a different game scenario it's how the game happens period scenario. It's not something that's open ended like what you do with the Institute afterwards, or the minutemen, or the BOS. You don't send him to the Institute, you don't have cameras placed anywhere there, you don't even tell a random NPC to keep watch.

 

As for synths...they're pathetically easy to kill. Unless you're gonna have Coursers guarding him in which case Courses have defected from the Institute and gen 3 synths are human enough to betray you. They wouldn't do it for immortality of course but for their freedom? Easily. One of the railroad members is an ex courser. So yeah. Unless you're gonna have him guarded by gen 1s and 2s the risk of betrayal is still there. And if you have him just guarded by gen 1s and 2s they're weak enough that he should be able to kill him and escape. (probably can still do that with coursers but it'd be more difficult). Also there's a whole quest in the Institute about synths liable to escape being sent into the field. Now you can deal with that issue but there's a good chance they weren't the only one liable to do such an action. There's probably even still railroad agents in the Insitute (they weren't all at their base when you wiped it out). So yeah. that plan has plenty of ways to go wrong.

 

Not to mention I mentioned him bribing your enemies. There's still the minutemen and plenty of them are probably not happy that Synths are walking around freely.

[Battlebloodmage]

Eh you can do that quest after the ending and the same thing happens so that's a no go. It's not a different game scenario it's how the game happens period scenario. It's not something that's open ended like what you do with the Institute afterwards, or the minutemen, or the BOS.

 

As for synths...they're pathetically easy to kill. Unless you're gonna have Coursers guarding him in which case Courses have defected from the Institute and gen 3 synths are human enough to betray you. One of the railroad members is an ex courser. So yeah. Unless you're gonna have him guarded by gen 1s and 2s the risk of betrayal is still there. And if you have him just guarded by gen 1s and 2s they're weak enough that he should be able to kill him and escape. (probably can still do that with coursers but it'd be more difficult). Also there's a whole quest in the Institute about synths liable to escape being sent into the field. Now you can deal with that issue but there's a good chance they weren't the only one liable to do such an action. There's probably even still railroad agents in the Insitute (they weren't all at their base when you wiped it out). So yeah. that plan has plenty of ways to go wrong.

 

Not to mention I mentioned him bribing your enemies. There's still the minutemen and plenty of them are probably not happy that Synths are walking around freely.

Depend on coursers. People they trust like X6 would never betray you. 

With all the other factions gone, there is nothing they could do. Who are the enemies supposedly? There is no minutemen inside the institute. Plus, if you cut off his arms and legs and just keep him alive inside the institute while doing research on him. What could he do with growing power? They could even do a lobotomy on him if they wanted to. What do you think he could do? Run away? Have someone carry him outside the institute? Bribe some nonexistent faction inside the institute? Bribe synth with no conscious like gen-1 and gen-2? Bribe those science-crazy scientists so that they can no longer research on him? lol

[Ryzaki]

Depend on coursers. People they trust like X6 would never betray you. 

With all the other factions gone, there is nothing they could do. Who are the enemies supposedly? There is no minutemen inside the institute. Plus, if you cut off his arms and legs and just keep him alive inside the institute while doing research on him. What do you think he could do? Run away? Have someone carry him outside the institute? Bribe some nonexistent faction inside the institute? Bribe synth with no conscious like gen-1 and gen-2? Bribe those science-crazy scientists so that they can no longer research on him? lol

 

Not as long as your goals are aligned. X6 does have a personality however and is quite willing to ditch you if you cross his lines. Which is my point. They're not mindless dogs at your command.

 

The other factions aren't completely gone. You simply killed most of them. They weren't all at their homebase. Not to mention you really think all those civilians of the commonwealth are perfectly okay with the synth taking over? Come on. Again cutting off his arms and legs sounds like a swell idea...too bad that's not what your character does! (and even if it was there's a good chance the human scientists would turn against you for that kind of behavior or for not sharing the bounty). All he needs is to get someone on his side and start feeding them blood. Then the asylum will happen all over again. That's my point. Also what nonexistent faction? Did you even listen to what was going on in the institute? They already had power struggles going on. The immortal serum would be a natural extension of that (and a potentially very nasty one especially if you gave it to some scientists but not others). And if you keep him outside that struggle will just spread to other civilians of the commonwealth instead.

 

Also lol he'll make them the same deal he made you. "Let me kill them and I'll give you a nonstop supply of my blood." not sure why you think it's so outrageous given your character fell for the same deal.

[Battlebloodmage]

Not as long as your goals are aligned. X6 does have a personality however and is quite willing to ditch you if you cross his lines. Which is my point. They're not mindless dogs at your command.

 

The other factions aren't completely gone. You simply killed most of them. They weren't all at their homebase. Not to mention you really think all those civilians of the commonwealth are perfectly okay with the synth taking over? Come on. Again cutting off his arms and legs sounds like a swell idea...too bad that's not what your character does! (and even if it was there's a good chance the human scientists would turn against you for that kind of behavior or for not sharing the bounty). All he needs is to get someone on his side and start feeding them blood. Then the asylum will happen all over again. That's my point. Also what nonexistent faction? Did you even listen to what was going on in the institute? They already had power struggles going on. The immortal serum would be a natural extension of that (and a potentially very nasty one especially if you gave it to some scientists but not others). And if you keep him outside that struggle will just spread to other civilians of the commonwealth instead.

 

Also lol he'll make them the same deal he made you. "Let me kill them and I'll give you a nonstop supply of my blood." not sure why you think it's so outrageous given your character fell for the same deal.

Oh, the scientists who kidnap innocent people, research on them, and turn them into supermutants releasing it to destroy the Commonwealth suddenly grow a conscious for researching on an immortal bad guy from the surface. lol. Didn't I say it was to benefit the entire institute? That's not what my character does? You know my character better than me? First, there is no bribe to be had when everyone inside the institute can benefit from it. Second, lobotomy is an option, you can't bribe someone when you're no longer have self awareness. Third, it's inside the institute, the Institue's enemies don't know anything going on in regard to him. You also think they have more important things to worry about like destroying the institute rather than worrying about a lobotomized sample inside the Institute. If they're powerful enough to infiltrate and destroy the Institute, then it doesn't matter at that point about what happen to my character or the Institute since we would all be dead. 

[Ryzaki]

Oh, the scientists who kidnap innocent people, research on them, and turn them into supermutants releasing it to destroy the Commonwealth suddenly grow a conscious for researching on an immortal bad guy. lol. Didn't I say it was to benefit the entire institute? That's not what my character does? You know my character better than me? First, there is no bribe to be had when everyone inside the institute can benefit from it. Second, lobotomy is an option, you can't bribe someone when you're no longer have self awareness. Third, it's inside the institute, they don't know anything going on in regard to him. You also think they have more important things to worry about like destroying the institute rather than worrying about a lobotomized sample inside the Institute. If they're powerful enough to infiltrate and destroy the Institute, then it doesn't matter at that point about what happen to my character or the Institute since we would all be dead. 

 

When it comes to grabbing it from themselves? Uh yeah. They'll band together long enough to get you out of the picture then fight over it. They're not mindless raiders they know the benefit to temporary alliances. Unless your character is stupid enough to think they are in which case it'll make the overthrow even faster?

 

No one's saying I know your character better than you. I'm saying what the game does. Period. Full stop. You don't kidnap Lorenzo. You don't put any binding on Lorenzo. That's how it occurs. Headcanon is not pulling crap that did not happen in the game out your rear. Headcanon is filling in the blanks. What you do to Lorenzo is not a blank. Also this is even assuming Lorenzo will allow you to lobotomize him (I really don't think he would. Not to mention the artifact is most likely tuned to his body and brain waves (given what happens when Jack tried to take it) so you risk him being worthless in that case (there's a reason Jack hasn't done it already.)

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Again replay the Institute quests some of them actually do care about the synths. Also you don't take him to the Institute. But if you did, if you honestly think you're dragging him there with no one knowing all I have to say is LOL. The only way to even get into the Institute is via teleportation so to even get him there you're gonna need to authorize his transference. You can't even take your companion with you your pip boy only let's you go. So yeah good luck hiding that bro. And you will tip yourself off and people will want to know what you're hiding. And it goes right back to the "oh he has immortality juice and isn't sharing!" Like really the same reason you want his blood is the same reason people will turn against you for it. (Also the civilians was only if you kept him outside the institute. If you keep him in the institute most likely the other scientists would end up being your enemies.)

[Battlebloodmage]

When it comes to grabbing it from themselves? Uh yeah. They'll band together long enough to get you out of the picture then fight over it. They're not mindless raiders they know the benefit to temporary alliances. Unless your character is stupid enough to think they are in which case it'll make the overthrow even faster?

 

No one's saying I know your character better than you. I'm saying what the game does. Period. Full stop. You don't kidnap Lorenzo. You don't put any binding on Lorenzo. That's how it occurs. Headcanon is not pulling crap that did not happen in the game out your rear. Headcanon is filling in the blanks. What you do to Lorenzo is not a blank. Also this is even assuming Lorenzo will allow you to lobotomize him (I really don't think he would. Not to mention the artifact is most likely tuned to his body and brain waves (given what happens when Jack tried to take it) so you risk him being worthless in that case (there's a reason Jack hasn't done it already.) Again replay the Institute quests some of them actually do care about the synths. Also you don't take him to the Institute. But if you did, if you honestly think you're dragging him there with no one knowing all I have to say is LOL. The only way to even get into the Institute is via teleportation so to even get him there you're gonna need to authorize his transference. You can't even take your companion with you your pip boy only let's you go. So yeah good luck hiding that bro. And you will tip yourself off and people will want to know what you're hiding. And it goes right back to the "oh he has immortality juice and isn't sharing!" Like really the same reason you want his blood is the same reason people will turn against you for it. (Also the civilians was only if you kept him outside the institute. If you keep him in the institute most likely the other scientists would end up being your enemies.)

The game is an open world where you can do whatever you want. If you think your craps only happen based on the stuffs in the coding then good for you. I guess your character cease to exist once the ending stops. That's not how I choose to play my game. You're free to think my game is invalid because I imagine how my game would be AFTER the ending. Let me see, you think the science-obsessed who kidnapped innocent people for research and turning into supermutants against their will would be against kidnapping an immortal being for research? lol 

 

Why the hell are you keep talking as if I try to hide it? I want to share it with everyone within the Institute, so they could continue researching for many years after. They're willing to turn supermutants from innocent people. There is no way they would sympathy with a bad guy, especially if they know who he is. The existence of Lorenzo will be within the Institute. No one knows about who Lorenzo is anymore, and those who know about it are dead. The people only allow to be up there are Coursers, and I would probably erase their memories regarding it or may not let them close to Lorenzo to have known about his existence to be exploited in the first place. 

[Ryzaki]

The game is an open world where you can do whatever you want. If you think your craps only happen based on the stuffs in the coding then good for you. I guess your character cease to exist once the ending stops. Let me see, you think the science-obsessed who kidnapped innocent people for research would be against kidnapping an immortal being for research? lol 

 

Why the hell are you keep talking as if I try to hide it? I want to share it with everyone within the Institute, so they could continue researching for many years after. The existence of Lorenzo will be within the Institute. No one knows about who Lorenzo is anymore, and those who know about it are dead. The people only allow to be up there are Coursers, and I would probably erase their memories regarding it or may not let them close to Lorenzo to have known about his existence to be exploited in the first place. 

 

? The game let's you keep playing past the ending. Try again. No I think the science obsessed who kidnapped innocent people for research would be against primarily you benefiting from immortal blood. (And you can only share that blood so much before supply runs low). That's my whole point. I'm not sure why this isn't penetrating. The same reason you want his blood is the same reason others are gonna want it.

 

Oh man. That blood is not an infinite amount it replenishes yes but you can't keep drawing blood out of someone in vast amounts in a short amount of time. You're gonna have to ration it out. That's common sense. And those who don't get their share are not gonna be happy. It's human nature. And of course there will be someone who will want it all to themselves. Also the Coursers aren't just loyal to you fyi. You should realize this. They knew the other scientists (and indeed were created by them) far before you were ever in the picture. As for erasing memories. With what technology are you gonna do this and how exactly do you think it's not gonna be suspicious when a scientist casually asks what you were doing and the courser can't recall?

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Particularly the scientists in charge of the SRB. Unless you think every scientist (especially if you killed/exiled the ones who were against you being made director in the first place which leads to visible resentment) is just gonna fall in line in which case uh...lol? It's like...did you just forget about all the infighting over your appointment as director or something? The institute isn't some happy family of mad scientists. Not to mention using primarily the Coursers opens the risk of spying considering your PC didn't create them and doesn't even know how they tick.

[Battlebloodmage]

? The game let's you keep playing past the ending. Try again. No I think the science obsessed who kidnapped innocent people for research would be against primarily you benefiting from immortal blood. (And you can only share that blood so much before supply runs low). That's my whole point. I'm not sure why this isn't penetrating. The same reason you want his blood is the same reason others are gonna want it.

 

Oh man. That blood is not an infinite amount it replenishes yes but you can't keep drawing blood out of someone in vast amounts in a short amount of time. You're gonna have to ration it out. That's common sense. And those who don't get their share are not gonna be happy. It's human nature. And of course there will be someone who will want it all to themselves. Also the Coursers aren't just loyal to you fyi. You should realize this. They knew the other scientists (and indeed were created by them) far before you were ever in the picture. As for erasing memories. With what technology are you gonna do this and how exactly do you think it's not gonna be suspicious when a scientist casually asks what you were doing and the courser can't recall?

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Particularly the scientists in charge of the SRB. Unless you think every scientist (especially if you killed/exiled the ones who were against you being made director in the first place which leads to visible resentment) is just gonna fall in line in which case uh...lol? It's like...did you just forget about all the infighting over your appointment as director or something? The institute isn't some happy family of mad scientists. Not to mention using primarily the Coursers opens the risk of spying considering your PC didn't create them and doesn't even know how they tick.

Why the hell do you think ONLY PRIMARY ME benefit from it when i say once we finish the research, we could probably MANUFACTURE it. That's the point of researching. There is only so much quests they can go into, for an open world, they can't account for all the possibilities or should they because it would REMOVE CHOICES and possibility.

 

Common sense would also says that the point is to research so you could manufacture it for later use, but you keep go on ahead and decide how my game will happen. None of the scientists are in immediate need for that kind of drugs, especially not me. To betray the Institute would mean they need to steal the sample, run away from the Institute while it's being heavily watched then find a lab with technology as advance as the Institute while avoid being hunted and in the end, they find a way to manufacture it just as if they remain with the Institute.

[Ryzaki]

WHY THE HELL do you think ONLY PRIMARY ME benefit from it when i say once we finish the research, we could probably MANUFACTURE it. That's the point of researching. There is only so much quests they can go into, for an open world, they can't account for all the possibilities or should they because it would REMOVE CHOICES and possibility.

 

Common sense would also says that the point is to research so you could manufacture it for later use, but you keep go on ahead and decide how my game will happen. 

 

Yes you're gonna accomplish what Jack couldn't in more than 2 centuries. That's perfect logic. Also nope giving you the option to leave him in the Asylum and forcibly extract his blood isn't removing a choice. Also you are the primary beneficiary considering you're taking the serum vials while waiting for this manufacturing to occur.

 

Common sense would suggest if it hasn't been manufactured in 300+ years there's a reason. The Artifact is the actual source of power so if you were actually concerned about it that's what you'd be researching and seeing as you can plausibly do that with Lorenzo dead but without the benefit of immediate immortality. But I didn't decide how your game would happen. The game did. You don't capture Lorenzo, you don't study the artifact (you don't even take it from him). He's free to leave at will in that house and gives you a single vial and only if you don't have another. That's how the game plays out. Sorry if that doesn't fit your headcanon but that's how it is and all caps won't change it.

[Battlebloodmage]

Yes you're gonna accomplish what Jack couldn't in more than 2 centuries. That's perfect logic. Also nope giving you the option to leave him in the Asylum and forcibly extract his blood isn't removing a choice. Also you are the primary beneficiary considering you're taking the serum vials while waiting for this manufacturing to occur.

 

Common sense would suggest if it hasn't been manufactured in 300+ years there's a reason. The Artifact is the actual source of power so if you were actually concerned about it that's what you'd be researching and seeing as you can plausibly do that with Lorenzo dead but without the benefit of immediate immortality. But I didn't decide how your game would happen. The game did. You don't capture Lorenzo, you don't study the artifact (you don't even take it from him). He's free to leave at will in that house and gives you a single vial and only if you don't have another. That's how the game plays out. Sorry if that doesn't fit your headcanon but that's how it is and all caps won't change it.

Damn, Jack works by himself with a basic lab is so much smarter than all the scientific minds with hundreds of years and many advanced lab machines put together. Do you even listen to yourself anymore? Common sense also puts that there is only so much to do by yourself with a basic lab while keeping everything a secret. I'm sorry if my game doesn't agree with what you believe happen, so you have to tell me how my game turn out, thanks. lol

[London]

If Lorenzo will only give you a vial if you don't already have one, it already sounds like he's the one holding the cards. You will be dependent on him since there is no way of stockpiling it.

[Battlebloodmage]

If Lorenzo will only give you a vial if you don't already have one, it already sounds like he's the one holding the cards. You will be dependent on him since there is no way of stockpiling it.

And I already talked about it with doing researches on him by the Institute people to see if I can manufacture it. If not, then I'll probably kill him. 

[Ryzaki]

Damn, Jack works by himself with a basic lab is so much smarter than all the scientific minds with hundreds of years and many advanced lab machines put together. Do you even listen to yourself anymore? Common sense also puts that there is only so much to do by yourself with a basic lab while keeping everything a secret. I'm sorry if my game doesn't agree with what you believe happen, so you have to tell me how my game turn out, thanks. lol

 

Jack was working for more than 300 years on his father. AKA Before the bombs fell *ding ding ding!* He was from a wealthy family as well. Hm....I don't think he had a lack of resources those first 2 centuries but hey I guess wealth works differently in fallout universe? *head tilts* I'm sorry this is hard for you to comprehend. Also I don't have to tell you how your game turned out. All you have to do is play it because the below is exaactly what happens. Lorenzo holds all the cards and the power. You have nothing he doesn't give you.

 

If Lorenzo will only give you a vial if you don't already have one, it already sounds like he's the one holding the cards. You will be dependent on him since there is no way of stockpiling it.

 

Exactly. It's a perfect example of deal with the devil.

[London]

I just think for a character who thinks he is thinking long term, he has not thought long term at all. There is no telling if Lorenzo will eventually tire of you and stop giving you any of the serum. No matter how thankful he is in the short term that he was released, you can't trust that he will wait around and never get sick of handing over his blood to you. Most people at some point feel their debts have been paid.

There is no guarantee the institute will be able to manufacture it, and it's questionable whether it even should be manufactured. It sounds like your character is willing to unleash so much potential downfall just to live with his synth lover forever. And even that is unlikely to end up being the case.

[Battlebloodmage]

Jack was working for more than 300 years on his father. AKA Before the bombs fell *ding ding ding!* He was from a wealthy family as well. Hm....I don't think he had a lack of resources those first 2 centuries but hey I guess wealth works differently in fallout universe? *head tilts* I'm sorry this is hard for you to comprehend. Also I don't have to tell you how your game turned out. All you have to do is play it because the below is exaactly what happens. Lorenzo holds all the cards and the power. You have nothing he doesn't give you.

 

 

Exactly. It's a perfect example of deal with the devil.

And? He still works by himself in secret. Researching gets more and more advanced. It's more about what they can do from that point on, especially consider how advanced it gets nowadays. As I said, I believe the Institute could figure out the cause, and if not, I would kill him. Sigh.. Sorry if it's too hard for you to comprehend that what you think has no relevant in what happen in others' games. You have no authority in saying how it would happen, only what you think is gonna happen. 

[Battlebloodmage]

I just think for a character who thinks he is thinking long term, he has not thought long term at all. There is no telling if Lorenzo will eventually tire of you and stop giving you any of the serum. No matter how thankful he is in the short term that he was released, you can't trust that he will wait around and never get sick of handing over his blood to you. Most people at some point feel their debts have been paid.

There is no guarantee the institute will be able to manufacture it, and it's questionable whether it even should be manufactured. It sounds like your character is willing to unleash so much potential downfall just to live with his synth lover forever. And even that is unlikely to end up being the case.

As I said, what he wants has no relevant when I could just take him into research and lobotomize him. He's basically just be a sample laying around on a bed waiting to be experiment on. If not, then I kill him. Nothing lose, nothing gain. 

[Ryzaki]

There is no guarantee the institute will be able to manufacture it, and it's questionable whether it even should be manufactured. It sounds like your character is willing to unleash so much potential downfall just to live with his synth lover forever. And even that is unlikely to end up being the case.

 

Also when walking around the Institute it's pretty implied that the synths degrade after a time anyway and that most likely applies to gen 3 synths as well.

[Ryzaki]

And? He still works by himself in secret. Researching gets more and more advanced. It's more about what they can do from that point on, especially consider how advanced it gets nowadays. As I said, I believe the Institute could figure out the cause, and if not, I would kill him. Sigh.. Sorry if it's too hard for you to comprehend that what you think has no relevant in what happen in others' games. You have no authority in saying how it would happen, only what you think is gonna happen. 

 

? He wasn't working by himself in secret before the war. That's my point. He had 200 years of non alone research and he couldn't separate the serum from his father. That says it all.

 

Again there is no me saying what happened. It's what the game says. Headcanon isn't used to ignore what actually happens only to fill in blanks. Lorenzo's fate is not a blank to be filled sorry bro. I'm not sure why you can't comprehend it. It's not complicated.

 

Headcanon is for stuff that's left vague. Lorenzo is not left vague.
 

[London]

I think there is a lot of head-canoning that will need to happen for your Institue character to live happily ever after. For one, it can't be with Danse as he will not speak with you if you side with the Institue. (I don't know enough about the game to know if he would even be alive at all in an Institue ending - but I do know he is not forgiving of killing off the BoS).

I think your Institue PC is incredibly selfish and possibly even unintentionally evil. Reproducing immortality can have so many negative and far-reaching effects that it is very possible that if this was successful, it would be viewed as one of the largest follies of man.

Even to get to this point demands that one jump through many hoops to believe that this highly improbable scenerio plays out to a happy ending.

[Battlebloodmage]

? He wasn't working by himself in secret before the war. That's my point. He had 200 years of non alone research and he couldn't separate the serum from his father. That says it all.

 

Again there is no me saying what happened. It's what the game says. Headcanon isn't used to ignore what actually happens only to fill in blanks. Lorenzo's fate is not a blank to be filled sorry bro. I'm not sure why you can't comprehend it. It's not complicated.

 

Headcanon is for stuff that's left vague. Lorenzo is not left vague.
 

And your point has no relevant when looking at how advanced biotechnology is at that point. What he could research 200 years have no relevant to what they can research even 20 years from now. 

 

You mean what you said the game said? lol Lorenzo's fate never gets shown on ending slides, if it did then you're right, but they don't have it for a reason. I don't see why you can't comprehend it. It's not complicated.

 

I'm not even sure why you care either ways how my game turned out or what I think my world state is. It's getting off-topic now. Can we just drop it?

[Battlebloodmage]

I think there is a lot of head-canoning that will need to happen for your Institue character to live happily ever after. For one, it can't be with Danse as he will not speak with you if you side with the Institue. (I don't know enough about the game to know if he would even be alive at all in an Institue ending - but I do know he is not forgiving of killing off the BoS).

I think your Institue PC is incredibly selfish and possibly even unintentionally evil. Reproducing immortality can have so many negative and far-reaching effects that it is very possible that if this was successful, it would be viewed as one of the largest follies of man.

Even to get to this point demands that one jump through many hoops to believe that this highly improbable scenerio plays out to a happy ending.

My ending with Danse is with Minutemen, not the Institute. The Institute is another save. My characters are different and what they believe is different. My main relationship is with a different character since he already had stopped talking to me after the ending. As I said, there's no point in arguing about headcanon. Let's just leave it at that. It's getting really off-topic now.

[Ryzaki]

And your point has no relevant when looking at how advanced biotechnology is at that point. What he could research 200 years have no relevant to what they can research even 20 years from now. 

 

You mean what you said the game said? lol Lorenzo's fate never gets shown on ending slides, if it did then you're right, but they don't have it for a reason. I don't see why you can't comprehend it. It's not complicated.

 

I'm not even sure why you care either ways how my game turned out or what I think my world state is. It's getting off-topic now. Can we just drop it?

 

You forget how technology actually went to a standstill save the Institute's synths (oh yeah and their teleportation) in the fallout universe?

 

No one's fate is shown in the ending slides save your PC's. Not sure why you're even trying to bring that up. When actually playing the game Lorenzo is clearly free and exchanging serum to your character at his leisure.

 

I just think it's hilariously hypocritical for you to get on MacCready's case when your immortality plan is one of the selfish and destructive choices in the game.