I like broken romance where you're their support pillar. That's basically what Danse is, a broken man. A bit of angst is not bad. I'm not a fan of comedic romance like they have with Iron Bull. It wasn't my definition of romance when Cullen and the others walk in on Iron Bull and the Inquisitor.
I like broken too (usually) but Danse gives you the look combined with the angst and I can barely take it!
I like broken too (usually) but Danse gives you the look combined with the angst and I can barely take it!
Oh yeah, the puppy eyes look, he masters it down to the letter. lol
Something about the scar on his eyebrow that is just so sexy. XD
Oh yeah, the puppy eyes look, he masters it down to the letter. lol
Something about the scar on his eyebrow that is just so sexy. XD
god look at his face ... how could I say no to anything he wants/needs/deserves? I need that baret ... is it from a mod or regular in game item?
god look at his face ... how could I say no to anything he wants/needs/deserves? I need that baret ... is it from a mod or regular in game item?
It's a regular hat, I bought it from Anne, I like to have him wear the snow cap. He looks like a husky dog with his piercing eyes.
It's a regular hat, I bought it from Anne, I like to have him wear the snow cap. He looks like a husky dog with his piercing eyes.
nice! I'm gonna get it tonight!
The thing with Danse is unless you bring him along and see what he said and reacted toward other people, you may just find him to be grumpy. While he stands for protecting the weaks, he's also struggling with what the BoS teaches him about the danger of ghouls and synths. He himself likes to help people regardless of whether they're humans or ghouls or even sometimes synths. He's actually the voice of reasons within the BoS.
He doesn't travel with me, but I wouldn't say he is grumpy. He is just professional.
You should meet Curie! CUUUUURIE!
I made a beeline to Vault 81 to recruit her.
watching my guilty pleasure TV show while eating my guilty pleasure food I realized that I'd like my perfect KISA to look like Nyle DiMarco. Slap some dirt on, rough up the hair and BAM
watching my guilty pleasure TV show while eating my guilty pleasure food I realized that I'd like my perfect KISA to look like Nyle DiMarco. Slap some dirt on, rough up the hair and BAM
Just googled him.
Oh my!!
Just googled him.
Oh my!!
Right? He's extremely good looking
Railroad is a loose organization. They don't keep records, some synths go through facial changes, some are just identity. Not everyone can keep tracks of every synth out there. Some of them they have to do in a hurry if you go through their quest. As for the Institute, even if that's the case, they would know about the existence of Danse, but they never had, nothing in the terminal indicated they're keeping tracks of him. There's just no reason to do so. All the synths being replaced know their purpose.
I wonder how hard it would be to have a few lines changes. Modders do it all the time, Skyrim does it all the time, so I don't suppose it should be that hard. It's more about recognizing a certain vicinity before the scripted line activated. They could also do random generated lines when entering area like some companions had, so they could include romance lines throughout the commonwealth. I don't think how wedding would complicated it, maybe additional lines when talking to them, seeing as they have all the wedding components in the game.
Danse as Elder would be great and be a nice conclusion to his loyal service for so many years, but oh well, that ship has sailed.
That makes sense, I guess. I just wanted to believe that the RR would be so cruel/clueless as to send a man that is supposed to be in his, I'd say, mid twenties and make him believe he was utterly alone and lonely for so many years. At the end of the game he has only the SS and support from some companions (something I'd like to see more of too, because surprisingly the non-human companions were the most supportive).
Maybe my experience was especially bad, but I've seen many threads about people losing companions forever, because they never got to sanctuary when dismissed. I had to set drinking buddy as essential and lead him home to make sure he wouldn't disappear again. In the Cabot house Danse was looping the same comment over and over again. And in almost every dialogue I have, both my companion and another random npc start speaking their environmental lines. Somehow Skyrim didn't generate so much errors for me, even after I heavily modded it. The Fallout 4 Script Extender is out so the wedding can probably be done without losing anyone or having everyone speak at the same time. But random romance lines totally should have been there.
Danse as Elder would be great and be a nice conclusion to his loyal service for so many years, but oh well, that ship has sailed.
That makes sense, I guess. I just wanted to believe that the RR would be so cruel/clueless as to send a man that is supposed to be in his, I'd say, mid twenties and make him believe he was utterly alone and lonely for so many years. At the end of the game he has only the SS and support from some companions (something I'd like to see more of too, because surprisingly the non-human companions were the most supportive).
Maybe my experience was especially bad, but I've seen many threads about people losing companions forever, because they never got to sanctuary when dismissed. I had to set drinking buddy as essential and lead him home to make sure he wouldn't disappear again. In the Cabot house Danse was looping the same comment over and over again. And in almost every dialogue I have, both my companion and another random npc start speaking their environmental lines. Somehow Skyrim didn't generate so much errors for me, even after I heavily modded it. The Fallout 4 Script Extender is out so the wedding can probably be done without losing anyone or having everyone speak at the same time. But random romance lines totally should have been there.
He also has Scribe Hayden, she secretly brings him food and clothing and chat him up whenever he's free. Most of the companions are good people and are nice to him, even if he wasn't too nice toward them, only MacCready, Strong, and Cait have problems with him being a synth. I wouldn't surprised they pay him a visit from time to time at the bunker.
Most of the memories they have for the mindwiped synths are very basic if you look at H2-22. Magnolia is also another mindwiped synth and her life is tragic as well drifting place to place. Another turned into a rogue synth and become a raider leader to terrorize Commonwealth people The Railroad is very irresponsible with the synths, all they care about are taking the synths from the Institute, they don't care about what happens to them afterward.
I think it's a good effort for Bethesda's first time. They need to dedicate more contents to it though since it feels a bit half baked. At least, I care about the companions, in Skyrim, I don't care about what happens to any of them, and I just use mods to bring in other husbandos like Chris Redfield, Kaidan, and Vega into the game for companions.
He also has Scribe Hayden, she secretly brings him food and clothing and chat him up whenever he's free. Most of the companions are good people and are nice to him, even if he wasn't too nice toward them, only MacCready, Strong, and Cait have problems with him being a synth. I wouldn't surprised they pay him a visit from time to time at the bunker.
Most of the memories they have for the mindwiped synths are very basic if you look at H2-22. Magnolia is also another mindwiped synth and her life is tragic as well drifting place to place. Another turned into a rogue synth and become a raider leader to terrorize Commonwealth people The Railroad is very irresponsible with the synths, all they care about are taking the synths from the Institute, they don't care about what happens to them afterward.
I think it's a good effort for Bethesda's first time. They need to dedicate more contents to it though since it feels a bit half baked. At least, I care about the companions, in Skyrim, I don't care about what happens to any of them, and I just use mods to bring in other husbandos like Chris Redfield, Kaidan, and Vega into the game for companions.
I kinda got a feeling that the companions talked more than the game showed. There's a difference between being nice and calling Danse a friend. Also, Strong has a problem with everyone and he was banished to Covenant, never to be heard complaining again.
I got the feeling that the RR is massively incompetent (Tom and his conspiracies and the fact I knew Deacon was following me before I even knew who he was). The spy code is more important to many of them than really helping. I know secrecy is key, but calling synths "packages" seems to kinda counter their beliefs. Also, there was a dialogue saying that they give synths new identities, because without the memory wipe they wouldn't know how to live among humans. But this seems hardly better...
It's okay, but I don't think it will get much better in the future, Bethesda is proud of the fact that their programmers write most of the story and don't employ almost any writers. That's probably why there is so much fantastic content story wise, but hardly any of it gets properly structured or given closure.
Ah yes, Chris, Kaidan, and Vega. In the same room. I may have also done that. And made pictures. Ahem
I kinda got a feeling that the companions talked more than the game showed. There's a difference between being nice and calling Danse a friend. Also, Strong has a problem with everyone and he was banished to Covenant, never to be heard complaining again.
I got the feeling that the RR is massively incompetent (Tom and his conspiracies and the fact I knew Deacon was following me before I even knew who he was). The spy code is more important to many of them than really helping. I know secrecy is key, but calling synths "packages" seems to kinda counter their beliefs. Also, there was a dialogue saying that they give synths new identities, because without the memory wipe they wouldn't know how to live among humans. But this seems hardly better...
It's okay, but I don't think it will get much better in the future, Bethesda is proud of the fact that their programmers write most of the story and don't employ almost any writers. That's probably why there is so much fantastic content story wise, but hardly any of it gets properly structured or given closure.
Ah yes, Chris, Kaidan, and Vega. In the same room. I may have also done that. And made pictures. Ahem
Nah, Deacon stated that "Danse may have a stick up his ass (the SS's stick), but he's our friend". Codsworth also calls him a friend and wouldn't abandon one. A lot of them call him their friends and love it if you spare him, except for Strong, Cait, and MacCready.
I would never ever side with the RR. I find them to be hugely arrogant and self righteous, surprisingly moreso than the Institute. Their purpose ends up in a contradiction and destroy everyone's life at the end. They don't care about what happen as collateral. The BoS being destroyed, no more people killing raiders and mutants, plus, the BoS will be back for revenge and start another war. All the advanced technology like gen research and radiation free crops are gone instead of confiscating it. Plus, the synths can't reproduce and go on a slow extinction. The Minutemen is still an unknown group since they don't have the reputation of destroying the Institute leading to more recruits. Basically, a huge crater, extinction of the synth, chaos and raiding, their allies committed suicide, no one to maintain order. Yeah, it's the worst possible ending. They're short sighted and do more harm than good.
Bethesda did say they spend a lot of time on their companions, I think it's really good. Some of the companions are some of the best in besthesda and reminded me of Bioware characters. I could totally see Curie as being written by Bioware, she's a cross between Cassandra and Lelianna. I have an optimistic view about this. The companions seem to be very well received, so I feel like they could expand this in the future. More companions don't mean they're better. One character from Fallout 4 is better than all the companions in Skyrim combined since they have their own background, history, and storyline. I think they will improve upon it form the future. I'm hoping for a Medieval Danse, maybe less cranky on Elder Scroll 6. 
Nah, Deacon stated that "Danse may have a stick up his ass (the SS's stick), but he's our friend". Codsworth also calls him a friend and wouldn't abandon one. A lot of them call him their friends and love it if you spare him, except for Strong, Cait, and MacCready.
I would never ever side with the RR. I find them to be hugely arrogant and self righteous, surprisingly moreso than the Institute. Their purpose ends up in a contradiction and destroy everyone's life at the end. They don't care about what happen as collateral. The BoS being destroyed, no more people killing raiders and mutants, plus, the BoS will be back for revenge and start another war. All the advanced technology like gen research and radiation free crops are gone instead of confiscating it. Plus, the synths can't reproduce and go on a slow extinction. The Minutemen is still an unknown group since they don't have the reputation of destroying the Institute leading to more recruits. Basically, a huge crater, extinction of the synth, chaos and raiding, their allies committed suicide, no one to maintain order. Yeah, it's the worst possible ending. They're short sighted and do more harm than good.
Bethesda did say they spend a lot of time on their companions, I think it's really good. Some of the companions are some of the best in besthesda and reminded me of Bioware characters. I could totally see Curie as being written by Bioware, she's a cross between Cassandra and Lelianna. I have an optimistic view about this. The companions seem to be very well received, so I feel like they could expand this in the future. More companions don't mean they're better. One character from Fallout 4 is better than all the companions in Skyrim combined since they have their own background, history, and storyline. I think they will improve upon it form the future. I'm hoping for a Medieval Danse, maybe less cranky on Elder Scroll 6.
"the SS's stick" bow chicka bow wow XD
I was really surprised that Hancock was so outraged at the idea of killing Danse.
I'm gonna save and explore all endings, but the minutemen seem like the Goody McNice route I usually like taking (even though Preston acts like he's dead inside all of the time). The RR is just too morally corrupt.
I can't shake the feeling that if bioware did write them, we would get more conversations between Codsworth and Curie about maintenance and cleaning up the Commonwealth, Deacon teasing Danse, or Nick and Piper talking shop. And Cait's transformation was so sudden I got whiplash, BW is way more subtle in character progression. But I forgive them, because Danse is ...outstanding. Also, what skyrim companions? I don't remember them saying anything and what their names were
I always wonder how much of the response is biased because of the websites we visit, because outside of those people usually tend to praise FO4 mainly for combat and exploration. But I guess we'll see in...3-4 years?
(ps sorry about hijacking the thread)
"the SS's stick" bow chicka bow wow XD
I was really surprised that Hancock was so outraged at the idea of killing Danse.
I'm gonna save and explore all endings, but the minutemen seem like the Goody McNice route I usually like taking (even though Preston acts like he's dead inside all of the time). The RR is just too morally corrupt.
I can't shake the feeling that if bioware did write them, we would get more conversations between Codsworth and Curie about maintenance and cleaning up the Commonwealth, Deacon teasing Danse, or Nick and Piper talking shop. And Cait's transformation was so sudden I got whiplash, BW is way more subtle in character progression. But I forgive them, because Danse is ...outstanding. Also, what skyrim companions? I don't remember them saying anything and what their names were
I always wonder how much of the response is biased because of the websites we visit, because outside of those people usually tend to praise FO4 mainly for combat and exploration. But I guess we'll see in...3-4 years?
(ps sorry about hijacking the thread)
If Bioware did the writing, Danse would be straight. They have a certain archetype that it seems like KISA have to be straight. This is why I like playersexual. At least, we are not bound by how certain archetype is being distributed. If we're talking about banters, I can imagine some very hilarious conversation between Danse and Deacon. Danse is pretty serious, and I can already see Deacon makes fun of Danse, and he's not even realizing it. It's too bad Deacon is on the RR faction though since he can never stay alive in my game. I think Danse and Nick would be pretty funny as well since Danse would be annoyed at Nick and make some remarks but then Nick probably would just brush it off with some savage comments. That's why I said the game companions have a very Bioware feel to it. They all have certain relationship in the background, and it would have been fun if we could have bring maybe 2 of them together, so they could banter.
I gave Danse the wedding band today and we spent the night in a hotel xD
I gave Danse the wedding band today and we spent the night in a hotel xD
Outstanding, Ad Victorium, soldier.
Outstanding, Ad Victorium, soldier.
That's what he said!
I have a question, since you guys and gals know Danse better than anyone on this forum.
I want to do the Peace ending in Fallout 4, but part of that may mean not getting far enough into the Brotherhood questline to get Blind Betrayal. How good is that quest and Danse after it rather than him remaining a loyal Brotherhood member who doesn't know he is a synth?
I have a question, since you guys and gals know Danse better than anyone on this forum.
I want to do the Peace ending in Fallout 4, but part of that may mean not getting far enough into the Brotherhood questline to get Blind Betrayal. How good is that quest and Danse after it rather than him remaining a loyal Brotherhood member who doesn't know he is a synth?
No, you can do Blind Betrayal. As long as you don't talk to Kells afterward since it will start destroying the RR quest. You can't max out his affinity and finish his personal story if you don't do Blind Betrayal. After finishing Blind Betrayal, avoid talking to Kells and finish with the Minutemen ending then everything should be fine.
I love the quest since it allows Danse to have a difference perspective on synths, and he's actually more sympathetic toward synths. It allows required if you want his perk which is pretty powerful since it's a 20% damage boost. It's a quest about friendship. Everyone in your party, except Cait, MacCready, and Strong (but they don't like the nice options in the first place) would stand up for him, even when he wasn't exactly nice to them. Deacon and Codsworth call him a friend and refuse to turn on him. After this quest, he actually knows who his real friends are because despite being turned on, some of the members actually stand by him, and secretly comes over to bring him clothes and food and play with him.
If Bioware did the writing, Danse would be straight. They have a certain archetype that it seems like KISA have to be straight. This is why I like playersexual. At least, we are not bound by how certain archetype is being distributed. If we're talking about banters, I can imagine some very hilarious conversation between Danse and Deacon. Danse is pretty serious, and I can already see Deacon makes fun of Danse, and he's not even realizing it. It's too bad Deacon is on the RR faction though since he can never stay alive in my game. I think Danse and Nick would be pretty funny as well since Danse would be annoyed at Nick and make some remarks but then Nick probably would just brush it off with some savage comments. That's why I said the game companions have a very Bioware feel to it. They all have certain relationship in the background, and it would have been fun if we could have bring maybe 2 of them together, so they could banter.
I wouldn't be so sure. A few years ago? Probably. Now it would be possible. ME3 and DAI were about testing the waters. And it's getting a lot better. With Sky you had to be rude to the ladies and pass two conversation checks, Zevran never mentions anything, Anders mentions Karl only to flirting male Hawkes, and Steve had no less than 3 (THREE!) conversation checks one after another; Kaidan could finally sex up male Sheps, because most people, who could be "offended," killed him in ME1. Dorian, Sera, and Bull are fully open about their sexuality, there's no sweeping under the rug. I guess the Cullen romance was cut, because he had a huge following mostly among women and they wanted to avoid another "turned existing character bi" situation.
And bethesda doesn't really do much, they just don't add gender constraints in the programming, one or two additional lines in FO4, and hardly anyone notices m/m romances. Bioware cannot even hint that someone is not straight, because everyone starts yelling. This forum got really ugly around ME3/DA2. ME had media problems even without Kaidan, people on any side were pissed about DA2 ("all bisexuals - unrealistic; playersexual - not how human sexuality works; gays in my game? nooooo!" and so on), ME3 got flooded with negative reviews before it was even out, because of the leaked Steve scene.
The KISA is usually poised to be the bro of straight male players, and the love interest of the female players. So it makes kinda sense they waited so long.
Anywho - David Gaider (who wrote most of the gay/bi male characters) left DA to write for the new IP, and Casey Hudson (who unlike the members of the DA team, which shut down anyone who campaigned for a "no gay mode" on these forums, wrote here after the ME3 gay scare disaster that basically they had no choice and were forced to do it) also left for MS Studios, plus Andromeda is developed in a new(-ish) part of Bioware, so that and the positive response to Dorian makes me believe that both ME and DA will have different kinds and more of m/m romances.
(that got ranty, but that was building for a few years so...)
As for the FO4 companions, yeah, even two person follow limit would be great. Listening to Dorian call Blackwall a hairy lummox was awesome, having Hancock call Danse a giant hairy tin can would be so much fun.
No, you can do Blind Betrayal. As long as you don't talk to Kells afterward since it will start destroying the RR quest. You can't max out his affinity and finish his personal story if you don't do Blind Betrayal. After finishing Blind Betrayal, avoid talking to Kells and finish with the Minutemen ending then everything should be fine.
I love the quest since it allows Danse to have a difference perspective on synths, and he's actually more sympathetic toward synths. It allows required if you want his perk which is pretty powerful since it's a 20% damage boost. It's a quest about friendship. Everyone in your party, except Cait, MacCready, and Strong (but they don't like the nice options in the first place) would stand up for him, even when he wasn't exactly nice to them. Deacon and Codsworth call him a friend and refuse to turn on him. After this quest, he actually knows who his real friends are because despite being turned on, some of the members actually stand by him, and secretly comes over to bring him clothes and food and play with him.
Curie also calls him a friend.
I wouldn't be so sure. A few years ago? Probably. Now it would be possible. ME3 and DAI were about testing the waters. And it's getting a lot better. With Sky you had to be rude to the ladies and pass two conversation checks, Zevran never mentions anything, Anders mentions Karl only to flirting male Hawkes, and Steve had no less than 3 (THREE!) conversation checks one after another; Kaidan could finally sex up male Sheps, because most people, who could be "offended," killed him in ME1. Dorian, Sera, and Bull are fully open about their sexuality, there's no sweeping under the rug. I guess the Cullen romance was cut, because he had a huge following mostly among women and they wanted to avoid another "turned existing character bi" situation.
And bethesda doesn't really do much, they just don't add gender constraints in the programming, one or two additional lines in FO4, and hardly anyone notices m/m romances. Bioware cannot even hint that someone is not straight, because everyone starts yelling. This forum got really ugly around ME3/DA2. ME had media problems even without Kaidan, people on any side were pissed about DA2 ("all bisexuals - unrealistic; playersexual - not how human sexuality works; gays in my game? nooooo!" and so on), ME3 got flooded with negative reviews before it was even out, because of the leaked Steve scene.
The KISA is usually poised to be the bro of straight male players, and the love interest of the female players. So it makes kinda sense they waited so long.
Anywho - David Gaider (who wrote most of the gay/bi male characters) left DA to write for the new IP, and Casey Hudson (who unlike the members of the DA team, which shut down anyone who campaigned for a "no gay mode" on these forums, wrote here after the ME3 gay scare disaster that basically they had no choice and were forced to do it) also left for MS Studios, plus Andromeda is developed in a new(-ish) part of Bioware, so that and the positive response to Dorian makes me believe that both ME and DA will have different kinds and more of m/m romances.
(that got ranty, but that was building for a few years so...)
As for the FO4 companions, yeah, even two person follow limit would be great. Listening to Dorian call Blackwall a hairy lummox was awesome, having Hancock call Danse a giant hairy tin can would be so much fun.
Bethesda is actually very inclusive and did it way before Bioware did. You could have gay marriage in Fallout 2, yes, it was way back in 1998. Really, I love Bioware, but just the way they present gay contents just make me want to have playersexual because I don't think they handle it well. They honestly have no excuse with ME asides from not offending straight players, they have an entire bisexual female alien race, they have lesbian because "lesbians are hot", all the lesbians are shared with male players except for that one option in ME3 which is also dealt into male fantasy of "lesbians are hot" with the shower scene. In ME2, there's Kelly, another bisexual option that don't even count as a romance. They don't have gay options until ME3. In ME3, Kaidan is a cut and paste version of female Shepard with scenes cutting out, making it shorter and less than the female version. He's also only commented on his attraction to females like with EDI. Cortez is an NPC whose arc revolved around talking about his dead husband the time. In DAI, Dorian as the first gay companion is about afterschool special and sending them to straight camp. I don't know why it has to be able gay instead of happen to be gay with lesbian options like Samantha and Sera. They don't complain or have any hardship about being lesbians, they just are. In Star Wars The Old Republic, all the options are straight, they don't want to make people bisexual due to fear that gay options will turn people away from the game and the teen rating. They make a gay planet, so people can pay to gay. Finally, all the subsequent options are bisexual, too much for artistic integrity for wanting sexual orientations. None of the gay options have been handled well, IMO. KISA is just seemed to be straight while most other bi/gay romance options are mercenaries, mages, rogues. There is a lack of this masculine white knight type that seem to only associated with straight males. In FO4, we have more male romances than female romances. You don't ever see gay romance has more options than straight romance in any of the Bioware game. They also have many lesbian and gay couples across Fallout game. Arcade from Fallout 3 was gay, and he's like your everyday guy. It's a part of him, but it's not everything he is. One of the couples during the opening scene is a lesbian couple. Bethesda just does whatever Bethesda does without fearing backlash. I love that the characters come onto the protagonist, but Bioware won't do it anymore because of the backlash from the straight males. Maker forbids, a guy hits on you after you hits on every woman you see. Don't get me wrong, I love Bioware games and appreciate them including the gay options, but I wouldn't say they're the epitome in handling LGBT in video games.
No, you can do Blind Betrayal. As long as you don't talk to Kells afterward since it will start destroying the RR quest. You can't max out his affinity and finish his personal story if you don't do Blind Betrayal. After finishing Blind Betrayal, avoid talking to Kells and finish with the Minutemen ending then everything should be fine.
But I thought to get the Peace ending you have to be banished from the Institute, which means the quests leading up to Blind Betrayal can't be completed? Then again the video I watched did say that their way wasn't necessarily the only way, just the way that worked for them.
In ME2, there's Kelly, another bisexual option that don't even count as a romance.
She was my favorite LI and also was the closest I got to a romance for my orientation, with her being like Josephine in the sense of being written to be ambiguous about how intimate they get, leaving it open to players who didn't want a sexual relationship(unlike the other romances where the sex scenes were forced on you). That's another thing I like about Bethesda over Bioware. The romances aren't about sex, since they never talk about it or even involve it unless you sleep in a bed. Even then, some characters like Curie have no lines referencing that sex happened after sleeping, leaving it open to things like they just cuddled, just sleep in the same bed, etc. That said, Bioware has shown more that they see this issue and want to address it more, and already have with characters like Kelly and particularly Josephine.
But I thought to get the Peace ending you have to be banished from the Institute, which means the quests leading up to Blind Betrayal can't be completed? Then again the video I watched did say that their way wasn't necessarily the only way, just the way that worked for them.
You can be banished many ways. If you do the Bunker Hills and choose to free the synths instead of returning them back to the Institute, if you tell Father the truth, he will banish you, there's another one where you defend a scientist with the Minutemen against the Institute where they will banish you as well, kill any named scientist would also result in banishment. You just need to progress with the Institute quest long enough to unlock Blind Betrayal. The Minutemen can be completed anytime. You will always end up with 2 factions and the Minutemen in the Minutemen ending as long as you don't have the BoS goes hostile on you.
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