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[Biotic Apostate]

There are many scenes that only available to female, staring at Kaidan's butt, Kaidan putting her hand on his face, Shepard sitting on Kaidan's lap. A lot of those scenes were cut because it has female animation and it would make Shepard looks feminine, so they cut it. It's like if you make Cullen gay with a mod, a lot of the inquisitor animation is very feminine. 

 

There are some romances that acknowledge it like some lines changes a bit with Preston, MacCready also referring to your gender as male and a windower. On that front, they don't change that much either with bisexual romance in Bioware games, they all say the same line except for the handsome line during the Kaidan's lock in scene. Otherwise, all the scenes are identical. It's more on the developers not wanting to make alternate scene, I call bull when the developers stated that it required the same amount of resource to make them all bi instead of making another option. I think the problem with bi characters in Bioware is, not just with Kaidan, they are all into females most of the time, even Iron Bull. It wasn't until the fans complain that they expand on Iron Bull/Dorian. I think having a confirmed bachelor wouldn't be possible with the kind of setting Fallout 4 had, you're married with a kid, of course you can be married and gay, but I don't see a reason with the Fallout 4 setting where being gay is not being locked down upon. It seems like the protagonists are either straight or bi. As I said, all the gay LIs have to do with them being gay, getting over a gay husband, gay conversion, gay gay gay. I just hope Bioware is finally be able to write a gay character that isn't just about being gay but instead happen to be gay or a character that actually has an equal or maybe leaning more toward guys from the very beginning. Anders are in a game where all the characters are playersexual, and only added Sebastian as straight after the complain. Yeah, straight romance will always have priority in Bioware games.That's just more about sales at the end of the day, i guess. Anyway, that's my opinion on Bioware at the moment, I'll change it maybe when I finally see a game where a gay character is written as accidental and not incidental. I'm just jaded after the whole SWTOR, DAI, and ME3 debacle which leaning me toward playersexual.

Weirdly I got the butt gazing scene in my playthrough. But no lap sitting. 

 

But it is true, reusing scenes and animations cuts down on costs on content that honestly not many people will see. That's why BW is doing it so often, and why Bethesda can do it so casually. Adding three lines is different than writing a whole new character, animating them, and hiring a voice actor.

 

I don't agree with two points: Bull hooks up with Dorian in the vanilla game, the dlc just added more content to it, so he is a fantastic example of a bisexual character that actually acts on his sexuality outside the player romance. To me that is a very well done LGBT character without rubbing it in your face. Also, Sebastian was a day one DLC (depending on how you see it, either because the didn't finish him on time, which makes sense with the tight schedule they had, or they cut him to make more money), so it was not a responce to anything.

 

Confirmed Bachelor makes about as much sense as Lady Killer or Black Widow (which they kept). In Bethesda's vision of loving husband and wife none of these perks make sense (especially Black Widow, the female SS is supposed to be sad, not satisfied with the outcome). Fallout was usually about player agency and freedom of gameplay, so if the post cryovault character is supposed to be independent from the personality from before the war, I see no problems with the Confirmed Bachelor perk. (Also the first FO game where they tell you you can't be gay, I'm still grumpy about it). And Anders was with Karl in canon, they just stupidly cut the conversation from the fem Hawke version. But both the game and the book clearly state that he is attracted to men.

 

It's not universal, but well, a lot of gay people will talk about being gay, when the dialogues are limited it may seem as their defining characteristic. Again, Steve losing his husband fit the story perfectly to me, especially since most of the companions mourn someone at one point, but have more to do to keep them distracted. But the "just happens to be gay/bi" character happened, and again, it's Bull. It's hard to find the sweetspot, you either get playersexual, because the character just never mentions it, or the, as you perceived it, "gay gay gay" character.

 

If all they wanted was to earn cash and throw us a bone, Kaidan would be enough. Adding Steve (VO, scenes, animations) cost a lot of money (that's why slideshow endings are so popular, animating that would take months and cost a mointain of gold) and they didn't really get much in return for it, not much additional sales. It is true that the DA part of BW seems to do gay romances of their own volition and the ME part is doing it more reactionary to feedback, but they are trying. Even the whole SWTOR debacle proves that people expect more of BW than other studios. There's no other big studio, where you can go "there's no gay romance in this one, explain yourself." There's not a single developer who would get so much heat for that. You can easily count all games where you can interact with LGBT characters, yet from BW it's expected - that says a lot.

[Dean_the_Young]

pretty sure the Institute companion is hostile if you destroy them no?

 

 

This is not true. The dialogue suggests that Minutemen with pretty much everyone alive is an expected ending by the game. It's not an exploit. Danse, Preston and Desdemona all reacted to my choice without any weirdness. X6 not turning hostile is most likely the bug in that scenario but that's not limited to the Minutemen ending.

 

That said it's not entirely peaceful because the other shoe is bound to drop with the BOS (Mintuemen with their artillery is bound to cause problems and we already know how they feel about the railroad)  which is why honestly I prefer aggroing them and blowing that oversided tin can out the sky.

 

Minutemen with everyone alive is only expected by meta-gaming the factional quest lines and not following content up to trigger points. Minutemen is compatible with every faction because Mintuemen is designed to be compatible with any faction (even the Institute)- what isn't intended is the other factions to be compatible with eachother.

 

Calling the the situation a 'peace' ending is a misreading of the factions, or a highly selective use of the word 'peace.'.The Brotherhood and the Railroad are not compromising or settling for co-existence over any long term. You've simply stopped playing their routes- the narrative equivalent of waiting outside the Final Boss Battle of imminent doom and then goofing off forever, calling it resolved.

[Biotic Apostate]

I made a beeline to Vault 81 for Overseer's Guardian.

 

Guns don't usually get me hot and bothered, but-
 

I personally love the Gauss rifle (with never ending ammo capacity), with proper modding and perks it easily goes to 200 damage (almost overpowered). Also, if you have lockpicking unlocked on a higher level, go back to vault 111 and pick up the cryolator, super fun to play with. (Plus a tip, add numbers to equipment names, I sold a few weapons I wanted to keep, because they didn't have the legendary star...)

[Ryzaki]

Minutemen with everyone alive is only expected by meta-gaming the factional quest lines and not following content up to trigger points. Minutemen is compatible with every faction because Mintuemen is designed to be compatible with any faction (even the Institute)- what isn't intended is the other factions to be compatible with eachother.

 

Calling the the situation a 'peace' ending is a misreading of the factions, or a highly selective use of the word 'peace.'.The Brotherhood and the Railroad are not compromising or settling for co-existence over any long term. You've simply stopped playing their routes- the narrative equivalent of waiting outside the Final Boss Battle of imminent doom and then goofing off forever, calling it resolved.

 

You really don't have to metagame at all to get everyone alive with the Institute (that's not X6) at all. Have you done this ending? The Castle defense quest triggered as soon as I told father no about his deal and got back. (The only difference was Danse wasn't banished which actually worked out better since I didn't have to worry about random BOS patrols trying to murder me and the vertibirds attempting to crash land at my head more than usual). Actually if you're playing a neutral party but wants nothing to do with the Institute (due to them you know kidnapping and experimenting on people) it works perfectly. (Heck even the Virgil thing is fitting if you go back after you blow up the Institute. He attacks you for murdering his friends so you defend yourself.)

 

Which is exactly why I said BOS would probably have to go later because they're always starting crap. .__. It's as peaceful as the trinity ending with Celene & Co. The RR can easily stay out of the BOS sights and they have no means to attack them, The BOS won't be able to get access to the railroad. It's as peaceful as it's gonna get. Honestly the BOS trying to steal people's crops is more likely to erupt in violence (which is why I like to nip that problem in the bud).

[vbibbi]

 

Weirdly I got the butt gazing scene in my playthrough. But no lap sitting.

 

Lucky

 

 

If all they wanted was to earn cash and throw us a bone, Kaidan would be enough. Adding Steve (VO, scenes, animations) cost a lot of money (that's why slideshow endings are so popular, animating that would take months and cost a mointain of gold) and they didn't really get much in return for it, not much additional sales. It is true that the DA part of BW seems to do gay romances of their own volition and the ME part is doing it more reactionary to feedback, but they are trying. Even the whole SWTOR debacle proves that people expect more of BW than other studios. There's no other big studio, where you can go "there's no gay romance in this one, explain yourself." There's not a single developer who would get so much heat for that. You can easily count all games where you can interact with LGBT characters, yet from BW it's expected - that says a lot.

I will say this for Bioware, they are miles ahead of any other gaming company in terms of LGBT representation, which is awesome. You're right that fans now expect this level of diversity in all Bioware games, where other companies are unfortunately not held accountable. It's a shame that ME and SWTOR are theoretically including some same sex romances only to "fill a quota" or appease fans. Hopefully going forward, all games under the Bioware label will automatically include all types of sexuality for players.

[Dean_the_Young]

You really don't have to metagame at all to get everyone alive with the Institute (that's not X6) at all. Have you done this ending? The Castle defense quest triggered as soon as I told father no about his deal and got back. (The only difference was Danse wasn't banished which actually worked out better since I didn't have to worry about random BOS patrols trying to murder me and the vertibirds attempting to crash land at my head more than usual). Actually if you're playing a neutral party but wants nothing to do with the Institute (due to them you know kidnapping and experimenting on people) it works perfectly. (Heck even the Virgil thing is fitting if you go back after you blow up the Institute. He attacks you for murdering his friends so you defend yourself.)

 

Which is exactly why I said BOS would probably have to go later because they're always starting crap. .__. It's as peaceful as the trinity ending with Celene & Co. The RR can easily stay out of the BOS sights and they have no means to attack them, The BOS won't be able to get access to the railroad. It's as peaceful as it's gonna get. Honestly the BOS trying to steal people's crops is more likely to erupt in violence (which is why I like to nip that problem in the bud).

 

The difference between getting a Minutemen victory with Brotherhood and Railroad still alive and the Celene/Gaspard/Briala is that the storyline isn't over yet- the conflict will still occur if/when you resume playing it. The Orlais sequence was the resolution of the Civil War plotline for it's game- a Minutemen victory over the institute isn't the end of either the Railraod or Brotherhood plotlines.

 

Abstaining from playing isn't the same as a a plotline being concluded. Well, not unless you consider never playing 'Spec Ops: The Line' to be winning the game.

[Dean_the_Young]

I personally love the Gauss rifle (with never ending ammo capacity), with proper modding and perks it easily goes to 200 damage (almost overpowered). Also, if you have lockpicking unlocked on a higher level, go back to vault 111 and pick up the cryolator, super fun to play with. (Plus a tip, add numbers to equipment names, I sold a few weapons I wanted to keep, because they didn't have the legendary star...)

 

Gauss Rifle is godly- and one of the reasons to rush The Fort as early as you can. What's-her-name, the old woman NCO type of the Minutemen, sells the only guaranteed legendary Gauss Rifle of the game- extra limb damage.

 

You know what counts as a limb in FO4?

 

Heads.

 

Combine that with MacCready's perk, and the fact that the Minutemen gauss rifle can come fully modded from the start...

 

 

 

 

For the early game, Spray and Pray from Cricket is also Surprisingly Good. 15 damage explosions on a sub-machine gun that uses 10 mill ammo?  It's not ammo-efficient, but it is very effective and its ammo is pretty cheap. It's an excelent anti-boss weapon against any enemy too high for your lower levels- I killed a Mirelurk Queen at below level 10 with no pre-prep when I stumbled into one in the wild.
 

[Ryzaki]

The difference between getting a Minutemen victory with Brotherhood and Railroad still alive and the Celene/Gaspard/Briala is that the storyline isn't over yet- the conflict will still occur if/when you resume playing it. The Orlais sequence was the resolution of the Civil War plotline for it's game- a Minutemen victory over the institute isn't the end of either the Railraod or Brotherhood plotlines.

 

Abstaining from playing isn't the same as a a plotline being concluded. Well, not unless you consider never playing 'Spec Ops: The Line' to be winning the game.

 

I just said the BOS has no means to get to the RR (Because they don't they have to rely on you who already has access to kill them) and the RR has no reason to attack the BOS without the player helping them. (They have no heavies other than the PC and it simply won't work) .__. It's a neutral state. The RR has no reason to expose themselves to the BOS (they'd get curbstomped and for what?) and the BOS aren't liable to get access to the RR. (Deacon was watching you for a while before they let you in) And as I said earlier it's more likely the BOS would wear up their welcome by harassing the settlers before they got access to the RR.

 

Also the Mintutemen plotline is not completed (that horde of fetch quests aside). This should've been made apparent to you by Preston's "we're not done but this is one issue over with." it's highly likely in any state the BOS are still alive tensions will arise.

[Biotic Apostate]

Lucky

 

I will say this for Bioware, they are miles ahead of any other gaming company in terms of LGBT representation, which is awesome. You're right that fans now expect this level of diversity in all Bioware games, where other companies are unfortunately not held accountable. It's a shame that ME and SWTOR are theoretically including some same sex romances only to "fill a quota" or appease fans. Hopefully going forward, all games under the Bioware label will automatically include all types of sexuality for players.

It is awesome ME is in new hands, so to speak, and Hudson is gone, so I expect a tone shift. I'm quite optimistic we won't be disappointed

[Biotic Apostate]

Gauss Rifle is godly- and one of the reasons to rush The Fort as early as you can. What's-her-name, the old woman NCO type of the Minutemen, sells the only guaranteed legendary Gauss Rifle of the game- extra limb damage.

 

You know what counts as a limb in FO4?

 

Heads.

 

Combine that with MacCready's perk, and the fact that the Minutemen gauss rifle can come fully modded from the start...

 

 

 

 

For the early game, Spray and Pray from Cricket is also Surprisingly Good. 15 damage explosions on a sub-machine gun that uses 10 mill ammo?  It's not ammo-efficient, but it is very effective and its ammo is pretty cheap. It's an excelent anti-boss weapon against any enemy too high for your lower levels- I killed a Mirelurk Queen at below level 10 with no pre-prep when I stumbled into one in the wild.
 

Gasp, legendary Gauss with super powered headshots? Now I have to get it, thanks for the tip!

Also, that's why I rushed through MacCready's friendship (sorry for stealing).

[Dean_the_Young]

I just said the BOS has no means to get to the RR (Because they don't they have to rely on you who already has access to kill them) and the RR has no reason to attack the BOS without the player helping them. (They have no heavies other than the PC and it simply won't work) .__. It's a neutral state. The RR has no reason to expose themselves to the BOS (they'd get curbstomped and for what?) and the BOS aren't liable to get access to the RR. (Deacon was watching you for a while before they let you in) And as I said earlier it's more likely the BOS would wear up their welcome by harassing the settlers before they got access to the RR.

 

The Brotherhood is able to get to the Railroad on its own. During my first playthrough when I sided with the Institute, the point at which the Institute gave me the 'kill the Railroad' quest, a Brotherhood assault occured as soon as I arrived. I'd never told the Brotherhood where or gotten the Brotherhood's version of the 'kill the RR' quest, so it was quite a surprise.

 

 

Again, I disagree that pausing in a questline represents a neutral, let alone end, state.
 

 

Also the Mintutemen plotline is not completed (that horde of fetch quests aside). This should've been made apparent to you by Preston's "we're not done but this is one issue over with." it's highly likely in any state the BOS are still alive tensions will arise.

 

 

All the factions make the same claim, and Preston will make the same claim whether you've destroyed the Brotherhood or not.

 

Minutemen will work towards rebuilding the Commonwealth. Institute consolidates and formalizes it's control. Brotherhood continues consolidating control/gathering tech/purging the ferals and mutants. Even the railroad claims years of work ahead.

 

It's the standard boilerplate of a faction victory. 'We have overcome our greatest obstacle, but more work awaits,' now go do radiant quests until DLC comes out.

[SentinelMacDeath]

Yes, pretty sure you're Danse first. He said it himself that he focused too much on his job that he never thought he would find anyone. He also said that he still needs to come to terms with the "human feelings" after you enter into a romance with him meaning that he had never felt romantic feeling before, and I don't think he would have one night stand (like Kaidan j/k), consider his personality and what kind of standard he sets for himself as a part of a solder. The poor guy goes to a bar and order non-alcoholic beverage. 

 

Danse's cap makes him fit into any urban setting in any video games though. I feel like while Fallout 4 graphics may not be the best. Some of them look very realistic, even more so than some other video games with better graphics. One of the perks about FO on PC is we can rub off the dirt on his face. He looks dirty all the time. 

 

*beautiful picture of Danse*

 

*sob* I feel sad now, I'll just pretend the hotel night never happened. By now I built as a nice house, carpet and BoS flags and everything. White door because a white picket fence isn't a thing > Dogmeat's house in our garden ... perfect for us newlyweds.

 

Seriously tho, bringing Danse now is so bothersome because of the BoS patrols, Danse shot down a Vertibird because I didn't send him off quick enough, he started walking away and without notice he turned around and rushed the patrol killing everyone and 2 Minutemen died in the chaos as well. I don't wanna leave him at home and turn him into a stay-at-home husband but .... *sigh*

 

This

 

 

is what I wanted for my mShep as well. I'm still salty and will never forgive them for cutting it. I still love the mShenko romance but it lacked some actual romance

[Ryzaki]

The Brotherhood is able to get to the Railroad on its own. During my first playthrough when I sided with the Institute, the point at which the Institute gave me the 'kill the Railroad' quest, a Brotherhood assault occured as soon as I arrived. I'd never told the Brotherhood where or gotten the Brotherhood's version of the 'kill the RR' quest, so it was quite a surprise.

 

 

Again, I disagree that pausing in a questline represents a neutral, let alone end, state.
 

 

All the factions make the same claim, and Preston will make the same claim whether you've destroyed the Brotherhood or not.

 

Minutemen will work towards rebuilding the Commonwealth. Institute consolidates and formalizes it's control. Brotherhood continues consolidating control/gathering tech/purging the ferals and mutants. Even the railroad claims years of work ahead.

 

It's the standard boilerplate of a faction victory. 'We have overcome our greatest obstacle, but more work awaits,' now go do radiant quests until DLC comes out.

 

Uh...what? That certainly didn't happen in my Institute playthrough. They were at Bunker Hill yes but not at the main RR base. It makes no sense they'd be able to reach it storywise. Not to mention randoms don't even spawn inside the church (other than those goddamn ferals). You got a screenshot or something? Cause that doesn't make much sense.

 

It is when said pausing is at a stalemate which is my point.

 

And again as I said if you haven't destroyed the BOS you're gonna have to eventually deal with them. It's the same pausing you're complaining about. Rebuilding the Commonwealth includes protecting them from people trying to exploit them. I.E the BOS

 

true but my point is it's pretty clearly not done with the BOS still alive as a faction.

[SaruDa]

mmm about kaidan being bi in me3.. i don't actually mind mshepard and him not being too overtly romantic.
me3 plays them as just newly discovering that they both also like dudes which happens to be each other. so yeah their interaction being more like bros who are into each other makes sense.
would i have mind more kissing and hugging? absolutely not. but am i fine with what i got? yeah.
what i would have liked is more gender specific animation to balance it out.

tho that's the reason the bi cullen path was scrapped. the m/m animation for cullen was buggy so instead of fixing it or making unique animations for males they just threw it out because of time constraint.
shame..i would have liked to see how a m/m cullen ending be like. (nope never not gonna be bitter about it)

[SentinelMacDeath]

I sure missed Battlebloodmage today! 

[Ryzaki]

You know the only thing that enrages me about F4?

 

I make a beautiful house for my settlers and then a decent house for me. My house is freaking 5 floors.

 

The settlers go all the way across Sanctuary to my nice house in the corner and climb all those stairs to sleep in my bed.

 

Why. They have a five story house with a freaking bar downstairs and they can't leave my stuff alone?!? There's even a bathroom, fully stocked kitchen! Why they gotta touch mine

[SentinelMacDeath]

and I just built a wooden shack for Danse and me xD I feel bad now lol

[Battlebloodmage]

I sure missed Battlebloodmage today! 

I'm too busy playing Skyrim and Fallout 4 right now. lol. I'm still alive. Yeah. building settlement needs more work. I like to dedicate an area to be my house and set it as mine. Another thing is the settlers move around knocking my stuffs I decorated down. It's just really annoying.

 

Speaking of Danse, this comic kinda reminds me of what we talked about earlier, so we're not the only one wondering, but Danse is definitely a virgin though if you pay attention to what he said during the romance.

 

BoS clothes are awesome

[SentinelMacDeath]

oh the BOS suit butt strap, it's like a push up bra for butts... lift and separate. 

[Battlebloodmage]

 

Weirdly I got the butt gazing scene in my playthrough. But no lap sitting. 

 

But it is true, reusing scenes and animations cuts down on costs on content that honestly not many people will see. That's why BW is doing it so often, and why Bethesda can do it so casually. Adding three lines is different than writing a whole new character, animating them, and hiring a voice actor.

 

I don't agree with two points: Bull hooks up with Dorian in the vanilla game, the dlc just added more content to it, so he is a fantastic example of a bisexual character that actually acts on his sexuality outside the player romance. To me that is a very well done LGBT character without rubbing it in your face. Also, Sebastian was a day one DLC (depending on how you see it, either because the didn't finish him on time, which makes sense with the tight schedule they had, or they cut him to make more money), so it was not a responce to anything.

 

Confirmed Bachelor makes about as much sense as Lady Killer or Black Widow (which they kept). In Bethesda's vision of loving husband and wife none of these perks make sense (especially Black Widow, the female SS is supposed to be sad, not satisfied with the outcome). Fallout was usually about player agency and freedom of gameplay, so if the post cryovault character is supposed to be independent from the personality from before the war, I see no problems with the Confirmed Bachelor perk. (Also the first FO game where they tell you you can't be gay, I'm still grumpy about it). And Anders was with Karl in canon, they just stupidly cut the conversation from the fem Hawke version. But both the game and the book clearly state that he is attracted to men.

 

It's not universal, but well, a lot of gay people will talk about being gay, when the dialogues are limited it may seem as their defining characteristic. Again, Steve losing his husband fit the story perfectly to me, especially since most of the companions mourn someone at one point, but have more to do to keep them distracted. But the "just happens to be gay/bi" character happened, and again, it's Bull. It's hard to find the sweetspot, you either get playersexual, because the character just never mentions it, or the, as you perceived it, "gay gay gay" character.

 

If all they wanted was to earn cash and throw us a bone, Kaidan would be enough. Adding Steve (VO, scenes, animations) cost a lot of money (that's why slideshow endings are so popular, animating that would take months and cost a mointain of gold) and they didn't really get much in return for it, not much additional sales. It is true that the DA part of BW seems to do gay romances of their own volition and the ME part is doing it more reactionary to feedback, but they are trying. Even the whole SWTOR debacle proves that people expect more of BW than other studios. There's no other big studio, where you can go "there's no gay romance in this one, explain yourself." There's not a single developer who would get so much heat for that. You can easily count all games where you can interact with LGBT characters, yet from BW it's expected - that says a lot.

 

Passing mention would be nice like Kaidan did, like he happens to find certain people attracted. Iron Bull seems to only talk about sex with women, only Dorian seems to be the exception if you didn't romance him, would be nice if he also talked about relationship with other male NPC, something like with Sera and her passing mentions of her attraction. 

 

But with Kaidan, it just seems like a half ass effort with femShep reskin and less scenes, seem like Cortez is just for the sake of "making up" and to be able to say they have "gay" LIs. As already discussed, one being NPC while the other is just a cut and paste is nothing to really brag about. I like Kaidan, but he lacks a lot of intimate scenes, so it's kinda cheapen it. If they really wanted to do it out of their own good will, they would have make alternate scenes at least for Kaidan, at least, then developers can claim that it would be as much resource to make the same romance available for both instead of a new romance. I don't have a lot of high hope for ME to give us a fair share this time based on their track record, but we'll see. The next game is kinda like a soft reboot, so I'll try to have a low expectation to see if they blow me away.

 

Did you import the gay mod from previous game? If you did, you get the gazing scene from the female Shep, the sitting scene is exclusive to female Shepard, that's why maleShep scene is shorter because they cut out scenes from femShep to put it in maleShep.

[Battlebloodmage]

oh the BOS suit butt strap, it's like a push up bra for butts... lift and separate. 

Ass Victoriam, soldier.

[SentinelMacDeath]

Ass Victoriam *salutes*

 

Bonus: 

 

Danse's face when you flirt with him is just so sweet 

 

[GoldenGail3]

DANG IT!!!!! I MISSED SO MUCH!

[Biotic Apostate]

Passing mention would be nice like Kaidan did, like he happens to find certain people attracted. Iron Bull seems to only talk about sex with women, only Dorian seems to be the exception if you didn't romance him, would be nice if he also talked about relationship with other male NPC, something like with Sera and her passing mentions of her attraction. 

 

But with Kaidan, it just seems like a half ass effort with femShep reskin and less scenes, seem like Cortez is just for the sake of "making up" and to be able to say they have "gay" LIs. As already discussed, one being NPC while the other is just a cut and paste is nothing to really brag about. I like Kaidan, but he lacks a lot of intimate scenes, so it's kinda cheapen it. If they really wanted to do it out of their own good will, they would have make alternate scenes at least for Kaidan, at least, then developers can claim that it would be as much resource to make the same romance available for both instead of a new romance. I don't have a lot of high hope for ME to give us a fair share this time based on their track record, but we'll see. The next game is kinda like a soft reboot, so I'll try to have a low expectation to see if they blow me away.

 

Did you import the gay mod from previous game? If you did, you get the gazing scene from the female Shep, the sitting scene is exclusive to female Shepard, that's why maleShep scene is shorter because they cut out scenes from femShep to put it in maleShep.

Huh in my game he made lewd comments to Dorian even though I romanced him, so for me the comments were balanced. Sera is a bad comparison since she is a lesbian, so of course she and Dorian talk only about same sex attraction. 

 

That's some expensive making up, they would have spent much less doing some custom scenes for Kaidan. Maybe there was a push to make the relationship more casual. I remember Jennifer Hepler said she got nudges to make Anders' romance less serious (but she went the other way, from what I've seen, Anders has better dialogue and a better relationship with m!Hawke).

Both DA2 and ME3 were rushed by EA, that's why the ending was rewritten by one person close to release, plus the stock Tali photo, probably cut animations for Kaidan (and recycled DA2 environments). They already know that was a terrible decision, DAI got pushed by a year and Andromeda is still being worked on, and judging by the lack of *any* news, I suspect it might get pushed to 2017. 

 

Still, for a while now we had two m/m romances to choose from, that is something to brag about. The new game is developed by different people, right now we don't have anything to judge by. Andromeda has writers from both ME and DA and mostly new people who only worked on the multiplayer. So I'm staying positive.

 

I did not use any mods, so I have no idea why I got that scene, when it supposedly should not have happened. It would have been nice to have more scenes, but judging by how clunky some of the romance scenes for some companions looked in ME, they probably had a lot issues with it. Inquisition already looked far better it that department. And Cullen was cut, probably because he was written as straight, his romance would feel a lot more copy-paste. But that's just my take, I never really liked him

[Biotic Apostate]

oh the BOS suit butt strap, it's like a push up bra for butts... lift and separate. 

With those butt straps they look like they're getting ready to shoot some gay space porn, no to go into battle. Not that I mind. Ass victoriam, indeed.