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[Battlebloodmage]

Yeah, that's my point. In NV for the good Yes Man ending you need to beef up the defences, otherwise it's chaos. The game responds to you setting up security. After that, it's self sufficient. The settlements are a bottomless pit you can throw resources and turrets in and it will never be enough. One settlement had 700 defence, I failed to denfed it and no one died, but literally everything was broken. After the sole survivor dies/goes away they will all die, because as you've said, there's not a single person who can do, well anything on their own. Old Guns was also frustrating, she basically came and said "oh yes I abandoned the MM, because whatever, and now I come back to interrogate you, because I'm so worthy and you're not."

Honestly, if you could mix the best parts of BOS and the Institute, plus maybe RR, if you go with what Bethesda wanted you to think of them, you could easily bring The Commonwealth to pre-war state in like 40-50 years. Any faction on their own won't really achieve much, which was probably the point.

I think they try to avoid making the game too black and white. The Institute with its tech would make it so desirable that make other choices irrelevant. The BoS just defending people would just make them too good as well, that's why the only "good" faction is incompetent. I guess they could go for the feel good ending and everything improve just it would just remove the bittersweet that Fallout often goes for. I don't mind the factions being what they are, although I do question the decisions though like there is no reason for BoS to destroy the Institute instead of taking control of it.

[SentinelMacDeath]

I only built up defenses in 2 settlements yet, I always just rush in guns blazin' killing everything in sight. Same when I see the BoS in need of a hand on the road. Unless Danse is with me and **** gets serious.

 

I do hope that my presence after the BoS goes back home, if they leave me behind, can make a difference. At least they leave the Ghouls alone. 

[Battlebloodmage]

I wanted to max out relationships, so I could take Danse on all main quests, and for the majority of companions this is a quick way to do it

Except for Curie, all the compannions can be maxed out with save and reload and doing something they like like stealing, picking locks, entering armor, and modifying items. You don't really need to do these quests. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

Danse sure loves it when you tinker with your Power Armor, armor and weapons. I have never gotten around to doing the Vault 81 quests and still don't have Curie but I refuse to hurt the dog to max out her love meter the easy way. Even though the dog might be a synth *glares*

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maxing out Curie is easy. Just be nice to people. 

[Ryzaki]

I wanted to max out relationships, so I could take Danse on all main quests, and for the majority of companions this is a quick way to do it

 

You can still do some minutemen quests without the spamming. All you have to do is walk up to a settler and talk to them. (Especially in a new settlement). Generally if you someone standing off in the middle of the street looking around they have a quest.

[Biotic Apostate]

Oh then we're agreed on that XD

 

Honestly the Institute would be enough if they weren't oooh experimentation and mass murder are a-ok! Like they have no empathy. Bleh. I still rather helpless babies over kill you for your tech BOS and experiment for science! Institute.

I will try do finally advance the main quest and read everything in the Institute, but for now it just doesn't make sense to me. The BOS is clear, they take away all technology, because they think their training and discipline makes them trustworthy of not screwing up anything (and in many cases they are right). And they want to kill anything non-human, because they're fanatical in their approach. That's why I can't side with them, screw super mutants, but aside from them you mostly fight with humans, almost never with ghouls, there's very little reason to kill them, and the freed syths are innocent.

The Institute on the other hand makes so little sense, they make synths that are almost indistinguishable from humans, make them capable to feel love and sadness, only to make them a slave race that will replace all the filthy humans and fix the earth for them to enjoy? Also, the commonwealth is filthy and destroyed, but let's dump the super mutants we created there like it's out trash can.

(sorry for the rant, bethesda just annoys me sometimes with their inconsistent storytelling)

[Ryzaki]

I will try do finally advance the main quest and read everything in the Institute, but for now it just doesn't make sense to me. The BOS is clear, they take away all technology, because they think their training and discipline makes them trustworthy of not screwing up anything (and in many cases they are right). And they want to kill anything non-human, because they're fanatical in their approach. That's why I can't side with them, screw super mutants, but aside from them you mostly fight with humans, almost never with ghouls, there's very little reason to kill them, and the freed syths are innocent.

The Institute on the other hand makes so little sense, they make synths that are almost indistinguishable from humans, make them capable to feel love and sadness, only to make them a slave race that will replace all the filthy humans and fix the earth for them to enjoy? Also, the commonwealth is filthy and destroyed, but let's dump the super mutants we created there like it's out trash can.

(sorry for the rant, bethesda just annoys me sometimes with their inconsistent storytelling)

 

It doesn't make sense because the kidnapping and mass murdering is just...stupid. It realy is. There's literally no reason they can't complete their goals without that other than the evilulz. That's my major issue with the Institute. You can't even call them out on this stupidity. (Don't even get me started on the FEV experimentation. If they had been kidnapping people changing them into Super Mutants and then attempting to cure them and if they failed they destroyed them I'd get it. I wouldn't like it but I'd get it. But they don't...)

 

That said the BOS screw up with tech as much as everyone else. And the RR is too stupid. (Yes save a synth and toss them into the shitty ass fallout world without any support structure. That's legit).

 

Like ugh.

 

And I don't mind the rant at all XD Beth annoys me too.

[SentinelMacDeath]

And that's why I wanted to romance Maxson, put my sticky fingers into the BoS structure via Arthur. As a female SoSu you could even further the bloodline but maybe that's also why they didn't do it xD

[Biotic Apostate]

I think they try to avoid making the game too black and white. The Institute with its tech would make it so desirable that make other choices irrelevant. The BoS just defending people would just make them too good as well, that's why the only "good" faction is incompetent. I guess they could go for the feel good ending and everything improve just it would just remove the bittersweet that Fallout often goes for. I don't mind the factions being what they are, although I do question the decisions though like there is no reason for BoS to destroy the Institute instead of taking control of it.

I feel like they have made them cartoonishly evil. And I don't mind bittersweet endings, I would just like some sense of progress, no matter what you choose, there's not much difference. I still have to finish it, but from what I've seen, this has the same problem I've had with fo3, oblivion, and skyrim - you level up and achieve god like status, but nothing you do ever makes an impact, even when the story is saying it did. I remember when I killed the emperor in skyrim in the thieve's guild missions, and it changed absolutely nothing. Anyway, I'll hold my judgement on fo4 until I finish it.

[Biotic Apostate]

Except for Curie, all the compannions can be maxed out with save and reload and doing something they like like stealing, picking locks, entering armor, and modifying items. You don't really need to do these quests. 

I was maxing out Curie and Nick (couldn't find a lot of terminals I haven't hacked yet). I know about the exploit, that's how I maxed out Cait with exactly one terminal safe combo

[Biotic Apostate]

It doesn't make sense because the kidnapping and mass murdering is just...stupid. It realy is. There's literally no reason they can't complete their goals without that other than the evilulz. That's my major issue with the Institute. You can't even call them out on this stupidity. (Don't even get me started on the FEV experimentation. If they had been kidnapping people changing them into Super Mutants and then attempting to cure them and if they failed they destroyed them I'd get it. I wouldn't like it but I'd get it. But they don't...)

 

That said the BOS screw up with tech as much as everyone else. And the RR is too stupid. (Yes save a synth and toss them into the shitty ass fallout world without any support structure. That's legit).

 

Like ugh.

 

And I don't mind the rant at all XD Beth annoys me too.

Haha yep, so we agree.

 

The RR cares only about the spy stuff, they are like kids playing pretend. The synths are theirs victims - they get told they were lonely and miserable all their life, dumped in the middle of nowhere and they still are awkward with people, because obviously fake memories cannot make up for a lifetime of socialization. Their tech guy is unstable, and if I get another Randolph mission I will nuke them from space (another sign they are incompetent, seriously, you cannot secure one route?)

 

Glad I'm not the only one

[Biotic Apostate]

And that's why I wanted to romance Maxson, put my sticky fingers into the BoS structure via Arthur. As a female SoSu you could even further the bloodline but maybe that's also why they didn't do it xD

"Hey Arthur, you're hot, let's bump uglies. But before that, let me tell you about synth rights." XD

[Battlebloodmage]

I was maxing out Curie and Nick (couldn't find a lot of terminals I haven't hacked yet). I know about the exploit, that's how I maxed out Cait with exactly one terminal safe combo

Yeah, I'm just saying that in term of exploits, there is no way of exploiting Curie like with other companions, hurting Dogmeat would require Stimpak and immersion ruining a lot. There are at least enough random terminals for Nick, but for Curie, you need to take her around everywhere or doing hundreds of radiant quests. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

I don't even know if the MM are the "good" faction. They are just as scared of Synths like everyone else, they leave the nice Ghouls be but so does the BoS. The BoS talks a lot about eradicating everything non-human but they don't really act on it besides Synth hunting but even there they don't go all out. They didn't even try to investigate the mayor of D-City and the BoS flags do fly there in my play through now

[Biotic Apostate]

You can still do some minutemen quests without the spamming. All you have to do is walk up to a settler and talk to them. (Especially in a new settlement). Generally if you someone standing off in the middle of the street looking around they have a quest.

I usually go to Preston, at least he gives me one quest at a time, not like the radio which immediately gives you three...

[SentinelMacDeath]

I usually go to Preston, at least he gives me one quest at a time, not like the radio which immediately gives you three...

Preston literally gave me 3 quests at the same time yesterday + another one from the settler that I took in and now Sanctuary is constantly under attack

[Battlebloodmage]

"Hey Arthur, you're hot, let's bump uglies. But before that, let me tell you about synth rights." XD

I doubt you can change their mind about synth. I'm more concerned with how they're treating ghouls, something that Danse is in favor of. He likes to help innocent ghouls most of the time. People with good alignments like Piper, MacCready, and Hancock are pro-human if push comes to shove. They're in favor of killing all the harmless robots at USS Constitution for the scavengers. He, Nick, and Curie are in favor of saving the robots. Danse while says harsh things sometimes, he seems to be very fair with everyone. This is why I really wanted for Danse to become Elder, even if the story still requires you to destroy the RR and the Institute. Maxson is the main reason I have something against the BoS.

[Biotic Apostate]

Yeah, I'm just saying that in term of exploits, there is no way of exploiting Curie like with other companions, hurting Dogmeat would require Stimpak and immersion ruining a lot. There are at least enough random terminals for Nick, but for Curie, you need to take her around everywhere or doing hundreds of radiant quests. 

I get it. Either way, there are some differences between gaining approval, with Danse, or Codsworth I almost maxed it out without trying, with Curie, or MacCready I had to give it a lot of effort. Also I may have helped myself with the console a bit. No one should be forced to listen to Strong's constant complaining... setav CA_affinity and off you go.

[Battlebloodmage]

I don't even know if the MM are the "good" faction. They are just as scared of Synths like everyone else, they leave the nice Ghouls be but so does the BoS. The BoS talks a lot about eradicating everything non-human but they don't really act on it besides Synth hunting but even there they don't go all out. They didn't even try to investigate the mayor of D-City and the BoS flags do fly there in my play through now

Danse is against synth torturing and the Covenant, so he has some limits to what can be done to the enemies. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

"Hey Arthur, you're hot, let's bump uglies. But before that, let me tell you about synth rights." XD

Exactly! It helps that he's very good looking xD

[Biotic Apostate]

Preston literally gave me 3 quests at the same time yesterday + another one from the settler that I took in and now Sanctuary is constantly under attack

O.o wow the game is a mess. Aside from the blood samples and documents for the BOS, which make sense kinda, I have never seen such a broken and pointless radiant quest system

[Battlebloodmage]

Exactly! It helps that he's very good looking xD

To be fair, his face was the last thing on my mind when I first saw him, considering how terrible the clothing is in this game.

 

 

[Biotic Apostate]

Danse is against synth torturing and the Covenant, so he has some limits to what can be done to the enemies. 

Is he? He gave me a Danse disliked that, when I said I wouldn't help them torture people, another dislike, when I told them to free that girl, and nothing, but a "you're making a mistake" when I agreed to let covenant continue to do what they do. So which one is it supposed to be?

[Biotic Apostate]

I doubt you can change their mind about synth. I'm more concerned with how they're treating ghouls, something that Danse is in favor of. He likes to help innocent ghouls most of the time. People with good alignments like Piper, MacCready, and Hancock are pro-human if push comes to shove. They're in favor of killing all the harmless robots at USS Constitution for the scavengers. He, Nick, and Curie are in favor of saving the robots. Danse while says harsh things sometimes, he seems to be very fair with everyone. This is why I really wanted for Danse to become Elder, even if the story still requires you to destroy the RR and the Institute. Maxson is the main reason I have something against the BoS.

Nah, I have no doubt that Maxson is on a warpath and nothing will stop him. But I agree, Danse as Elder would be a very satisfying ending. He would probably become with some character growth less strict about ghouls and syths, the empathy for others regardless of who they are is already there, the BOS could become more kind with him leading.