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[Biotic Apostate]

I'm so conflicted about Anders, I loved him so much in Awakening but the whole Justice situation and all his anger ... I just couldn't get myself to romance him in DA2. I know I'm missing out on a great romance right there but I just can't get over the decisions BW made with him. He's crazy attractive though and 100% my type *silent sigh* I still read fics about em and enjoy the art xD 

I don't know, in Awakening he was kinda a mage Alistair copy, and once in a while he talked about circle abuse. I preferred his passion and drive in 2, although I did get very invested in the whole mage vs templar story. What happened with Karl, plus a circle getting annulled every 50 years, and the whole tranquility thing made a lot of sense as to why Anders was so angry. There's very little reason a mage outside of Tevinter would ever be easygoing. But that's just my take on it

[Battlebloodmage]

I haven't played Trespasser yet (dlcs are so expensive here...), but that doesn't erase the main game's "you are the only one who can save the universe" story that RPGs overuse. DA2 said "hey, you're cool, you achieve a lot, but you cannot fix everything, and other NPCs can also shape the world." I know they fixed it in Trespasser, but again, I've yet to play it.

I on the other hand had enough of elves, who don't care about the rest of the elves (Zevran, Fenris, Sera vs. Merrill; Solas does talk a lot of smack about modern elves, so he kind of belongs to the first group even though he talks about "ancient elves this and long time ago that"). Also the companions in Inquisition were more allies, in DA2 they felt like a family, I'd like more of that. But yes, I want to punch that stupid egg.

I think they said they will keep the reusing of past characters to only cameos, and each one has a new protagonist. Dorian will definitely get a cameo, maybe even with Bull/Inquisitor. They usually reuse one character for the new team (Oghren in DAO and Awakening, Anders in Awakening and 2, Varric in 2 and Inquisition), so Dorian has a chance to be a companion again, but probably not. 

 

They are fantastic and here's more (I promise this is the last of it)

They handle relationship pretty terrible for the m/m in my opinion and the male protagonist can't get married with anyone in the DLC makes it annoying and feel very unfair to me, so I won't get Tresspass either if ever. 

 

[Biotic Apostate]

They handle relationship pretty terrible for the m/m in my opinion and the male protagonist can't get married with anyone in the DLC makes it annoying and feel very unfair to me, so I won't get Tresspass either if ever. 

Even if it wasn't that good, I still want to see the end of Dorian's romance and I'm too invested in the stories BW makes, I need to finish it. I don't think I've ever skipped a story dlc. Also for the eye candy - I can't remember the last time I was so impressed by the graphics as I was when I saw the Fallow Mire. Frostbite really shines here.

Concerning the wedding - it is disappointing, but eh, I live in a country, where civil unions are impossible, guess I'm used to that sort of thing :|

[SentinelMacDeath]

I don't know, in Awakening he was kinda a mage Alistair copy, and once in a while he talked about circle abuse. I preferred his passion and drive in 2, although I did get very invested in the whole mage vs templar story. What happened with Karl, plus a circle getting annulled every 50 years, and the whole tranquility thing made a lot of sense as to why Anders was so angry. There's very little reason a mage outside of Tevinter would ever be easygoing. But that's just my take on it

 

I completely understand his motives but I can't support his approach and I wonder, if Justice wouldn't have happened, if there would have been a different approach from Anders. I liked him in Awakening because I have a thing for cat loving dorks. Maybe because I saw a lot of myself in him and they stripped it all in DA2 and that's how I lost my connection to him. He's a tragic character and I can respect that. Even more tragic in my game since he doesn't make it to the end.

 

I hope that Cassandra gets her stuff together and works on getting the tranquility reversed. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Even if it wasn't that good, I still want to see the end of Dorian's romance and I'm too invested in the stories BW makes, I need to finish it. I don't think I've ever skipped a story dlc. Also for the eye candy - I can't remember the last time I was so impressed by the graphics as I was when I saw the Fallow Mire. Frostbite really shines here.

Concerning the wedding - it is disappointing, but eh, I live in a country, where civil unions are impossible, guess I'm used to that sort of thing :|

Well, at least in fantasy, it should be possible. I don't want it to emulate life that much. This is why it annoys me with Dorian romance, it's basically an afterschool special, why are gay characters so unhappy in Bioware games? Dorian's gay conversion camp and Cortez's dead husband mourning. Lesbian options seem to be very happy, Sera and Samantha don't have the whole it's hard to be gay, their gay identity is not tied to them being gay. I hope they see the characters as more than being gay in the future. If I want to play about how hard it is to be gay, I play real life. Dorian's story basically ruined his romance for me because it seems more like a typical story you see millions times on TV and movies than something uniquely about him. I'm not bashing on Dorian or his romance, it's just how I feel and why I just can't get into Dorian. He's a cool character and all, but I just can't get myself to enjoy his romance. It's weird how many companies have gay marriage than Bioware, even Fire Emblem, a Japanese company who is usually have very conservative on gay relationship.

[Biotic Apostate]

I completely understand his motives but I can't support his approach and I wonder, if Justice wouldn't have happened, if there would have been a different approach from Anders. I liked him in Awakening because I have a thing for cat loving dorks. Maybe because I saw a lot of myself in him and they stripped it all in DA2 and that's how I lost my connection to him. He's a tragic character and I can respect that. Even more tragic in my game since he doesn't make it to the end.

 

I hope that Cassandra gets her stuff together and works on getting the tranquility reversed. 

I think half of the reason people didn't agree with his methods is because DA2 lasts 10 years, but it doesn't feel like it. If you consider he was running a free clinic, shoving his manifesto at anyone who would listen, and helping the underground for so long, it makes sense he took drastic actions at the end. It probably would have ended less drastically if not for the red lyrium, and the fact that the veil was thin there, so mages had a hard time.

The circle in Dairsmuid, Rivain was annulled three years later, because the chantry was furious they had their own belief system and that relatives were allowed to visit. There was no Anders there, so all of them died, and there was no reaction.

Hey, he still loves cats, he wanted a tabby from Merrill. But I totally understand you, I see myself in him too, but the 2 version, so I do get why there's no consensus on which Anders was better.

 

And yeah, Cassandra has a moral duty to fix all of that.

[Battlebloodmage]

I completely understand his motives but I can't support his approach and I wonder, if Justice wouldn't have happened, if there would have been a different approach from Anders. I liked him in Awakening because I have a thing for cat loving dorks. Maybe because I saw a lot of myself in him and they stripped it all in DA2 and that's how I lost my connection to him. He's a tragic character and I can respect that. Even more tragic in my game since he doesn't make it to the end.

 

I hope that Cassandra gets her stuff together and works on getting the tranquility reversed. 

Did you see Danse's butt in the last page?

 

If you do his rival romance, Anders commented that it was Justice that influence him. I'm sure Anders would be a different person if it wasn't for Justice. I doubt they would touch on Cassndra too much since she has a lot of stuffs she could possibly become like the Divine, right hand, leader of a new seeker, etc. I'm not sure if they would pull another Lelianna due to the backlash. They tend to cave under pressure often like with the LIs flirting, now they're not doing it because some dudebros take offend to being flirted by Anders and yet ignore Isabella constant flirting. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

They should give everyone the option to marry, just add a simple system and BAM. If they don't want to add marriage for whatever reason I at least want to be able to stick a ring on the finger of my beloved and pretend that we're engaged/married. Not just any kind of ring but a special one. Maybe a craftable one ... anything really at this point I'm desperate.

 

The Cullen wedding, man ... as a Lavellan you even got to say some vows, they cut that out for the Trevelyans. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

Did you see Danse's butt in the last page?

 

I sure did, I sure did.

 

I like this one too

 

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[Witch Cocktor]

I haven't played Trespasser yet (dlcs are so expensive here...), but that doesn't erase the main game's "you are the only one who can save the universe" story that RPGs overuse. DA2 said "hey, you're cool, you achieve a lot, but you cannot fix everything, and other NPCs can also shape the world." I know they fixed it in Trespasser, but again, I've yet to play it.

I on the other hand had enough of elves, who don't care about the rest of the elves (Zevran, Fenris, Sera vs. Merrill; Solas does talk a lot of smack about modern elves, so he kind of belongs to the first group even though he talks about "ancient elves this and long time ago that"). Also the companions in Inquisition were more allies, in DA2 they felt like a family, I'd like more of that. But yes, I want to punch that stupid egg.

I think they said they will keep the reusing of past characters to only cameos, and each one has a new protagonist. Dorian will definitely get a cameo, maybe even with Bull/Inquisitor. They usually reuse one character for the new team (Oghren in DAO and Awakening, Anders in Awakening and 2, Varric in 2 and Inquisition), so Dorian has a chance to be a companion again, but probably not. 

 

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They are fantastic and here's more (I promise this is the last of it)

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I agree that the main story is bollocks, but I do that I kinda sorta forgive it because Trespasser had me on the edge of my seat thinking '' so why is this DLC more interesting and more dramatic than the main game?? '' But like it was previously mentioned in the thread, how Trespasser handles m/m relationships is pretty meh, because you can't (really, on screen) marry either of the gay options. Bull will belittle your advances on marriage but still reluctantly agree to it AFTER THIS IS ALL DONE IF YOU WANT IT SO WE'LL MAKE IT OFFICIAL. It made me feel a bit sad but I hafta just understand where he comes from, but still I'd be more enthusiastic if he'd be more into the whole marriage thing. And Dorian, I don't think you can even ask about marriage from Dorian, and why would you wanna marry him anyway, he is going to leave you for Tevinter?! I don't really fancy marriage myself, in real life that is, but if the game gives me an option to marry my beloved, I'd gladly take it!

 

I like non-elfy elves, non-qun qunari etc because I like characters who don't let race, faith, a cult or anything tell them how to live, what they should believe in, what is bad and what is not. I like characters like that, and that's why I like Sera a lot. Well, one of the reasons. 

 

I will have to disagree with DAI's companions feeling more like allies than a family. I mean, with almost 6 hours of party banter, it does feel like they are. I especially think my favorite group of companions like a total family. Bull is my husband, Sera is my sister from another mother and Dorian is the annoying little brother who we all bully but reluctantly love because he is one cute motherfucker. Of course I really like the other companions, but those are my favorite ones. I really just love listening to the banter though... only thing I wish this game had was unlockable/triggerable cutscenes of companions talking/doing things together without the presence of inquisitor. That's what I hope for the next game, cutscenes of your companions doing things without your presence. I wanna see how they act without me as well! That'd also open more chances to companion x companion, or companion x minor character/npc/whatever.

 

I'm pretty sure that Dorian will be in the next game. Probably without Bull though, but it would be quite unusual for them to be paired together and it not follow through by any means into the next game, would Dorian appear. Feels like unnecessary writing, sorta?

 

Cute ****** couple, they look so happy together! I want more of that ;;

[Battlebloodmage]

I sure did, I sure did.

 

I like this one too

 

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His eyes look a bit weird, maybe because it lack the usually grumpiness frowning, probably just the light though on the eyes. His caterpillar eyebrowns look thinner as well.

 

I want to make a file for MacCready, but it's hard to do it though since Danse's story is just so sad to not be by his side, not that his look is not a perk. lol

 

Stupid sexy Danse
 

[Biotic Apostate]

Well, at least in fantasy, it should be possible. I don't want it to emulate life that much. This is why it annoys me with Dorian romance, it's basically an afterschool special, why are gay characters so unhappy in Bioware games? Dorian's gay conversion camp and Cortez's dead husband mourning. Lesbian options seem to be very happy, Sera and Samantha don't have the whole it's hard to be gay, their gay identity is not tied to them being gay. I hope they see the characters as more than being gay in the future. If I want to play about how hard it is to be gay, I play real life. Dorian's story basically ruined his romance for me because it seems more like a typical story you see millions times on TV and movies than something uniquely about him. I'm not bashing on Dorian or his romance, it's just how I feel and why I just can't get into Dorian. He's a cool character and all, but I just can't get myself to enjoy his romance. It's weird how many companies have gay marriage than Bioware, even Fire Emblem, a Japanese company who is usually have very conservative on gay relationship.

As I've said, Cortez made sense in a story about loss, and Dorian was probably a cathartic thing for Gaider. And BW lesbians are usually written by straight men, so it makes sense they want to avoid marking gay stuff as much as they can, because they don't know much about it. (I am kinda intrigued by how lesbian women playing BW games and choosing f/f romances perceived the options they have had) I think they are going in the right direction, I haven't seen a canon gay male character outside BW that was subtle about it and wasn't used as a butt of a joke. Still, I want more happy gays too. 

[Witch Cocktor]

Stupid sexy Danse

indeed

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[Biotic Apostate]

Did you see Danse's butt in the last page?

 

If you do his rival romance, Anders commented that it was Justice that influence him. I'm sure Anders would be a different person if it wasn't for Justice. I doubt they would touch on Cassndra too much since she has a lot of stuffs she could possibly become like the Divine, right hand, leader of a new seeker, etc. I'm not sure if they would pull another Lelianna due to the backlash. They tend to cave under pressure often like with the LIs flirting, now they're not doing it because some dudebros take offend to being flirted by Anders and yet ignore Isabella constant flirting. 

But that was the point of rivalmances, the companions all doubt everything they held dear because of Hawke. Arguably, Hawke changes Anders more than Justice in that path. In Awakening, Anders is pissed at templars. In a rivalmance, he helps them (and says he will probably commit suicide), so it's not like rivalmance ending in truer to original Anders.

[Battlebloodmage]

As I've said, Cortez made sense in a story about loss, and Dorian was probably a cathartic thing for Gaider. And BW lesbians are usually written by straight men, so it makes sense they want to avoid marking gay stuff as much as they can, because they don't know much about it. (I am kinda intrigued by how lesbian women playing BW games and choosing f/f romances perceived the options they have had) I think they are going in the right direction, I haven't seen a canon gay male character outside BW that was subtle about it and wasn't used as a butt of a joke. Still, I want more happy gays too. 

A lot of the women playing the game would like to have more tough romance like Jack. They see the romance for women to be too soft and girly.

 

If that's how gay characters are being written by straight men, then I'm all for it. I'm just pretty tired at this point about hearing about how hard it is to be gay and why the characters have to revolve around it instead of being a part of them. I know that already, I just want a romance where it's just a part of them while the storyline has more to do with the characters, maybe an occasional comments on guys or something. What I want in a KISA is someone like Danse, supposed that he's gay, and only romanceable by a guy, his story is basically about honor and identity crisis, but he's just happened to like guys. Well, he's playersexual, but I want to use that as an example of how I want a gay romance to be in a Bioware game. Something like commenting on guys like how IronBull does with girls. Both IronBull and Kaidan only commented on girls, otherwise, they're only gay for one person, Kaidan for Shepard and Iron Bull for Dorian/Inquisitor. This is an aspect Bioware needs to improve on on bisexual romances.

[SentinelMacDeath]

the really ridiculous thing is that Dorian, completely gay, even comments on women and their looks, compliments the lady Inquisitor on her everything. Goes as far as flirting with her even though he prefers other goods and then you have IB who's openly Bi and never compliments guys ever on anything, I got so tired of him talking about the girls he banged and the women talking about how hot the Bull is ... like, is there not a single gay guy in all of Skyhold other than Dorian? 

[Biotic Apostate]

I agree that the main story is bollocks, but I do that I kinda sorta forgive it because Trespasser had me on the edge of my seat thinking '' so why is this DLC more interesting and more dramatic than the main game?? '' But like it was previously mentioned in the thread, how Trespasser handles m/m relationships is pretty meh, because you can't (really, on screen) marry either of the gay options. Bull will belittle your advances on marriage but still reluctantly agree to it AFTER THIS IS ALL DONE IF YOU WANT IT SO WE'LL MAKE IT OFFICIAL. It made me feel a bit sad but I hafta just understand where he comes from, but still I'd be more enthusiastic if he'd be more into the whole marriage thing. And Dorian, I don't think you can even ask about marriage from Dorian, and why would you wanna marry him anyway, he is going to leave you for Tevinter?! I don't really fancy marriage myself, in real life that is, but if the game gives me an option to marry my beloved, I'd gladly take it!

 

I like non-elfy elves, non-qun qunari etc because I like characters who don't let race, faith, a cult or anything tell them how to live, what they should believe in, what is bad and what is not. I like characters like that, and that's why I like Sera a lot. Well, one of the reasons. 

 

I will have to disagree with DAI's companions feeling more like allies than a family. I mean, with almost 6 hours of party banter, it does feel like they are. I especially think my favorite group of companions like a total family. Bull is my husband, Sera is my sister from another mother and Dorian is the annoying little brother who we all bully but reluctantly love because he is one cute motherfucker. Of course I really like the other companions, but those are my favorite ones. I really just love listening to the banter though... only thing I wish this game had was unlockable/triggerable cutscenes of companions talking/doing things together without the presence of inquisitor. That's what I hope for the next game, cutscenes of your companions doing things without your presence. I wanna see how they act without me as well! That'd also open more chances to companion x companion, or companion x minor character/npc/whatever.

 

I'm pretty sure that Dorian will be in the next game. Probably without Bull though, but it would be quite unusual for them to be paired together and it not follow through by any means into the next game, would Dorian appear. Feels like unnecessary writing, sorta?

 

Cute ****** couple, they look so happy together! I want more of that ;;

So I've heard, gonna buy that dlc soon. As LadyMacDeath said, marriage for all and be done with it. Best solution.

 

I'm saying it from a point of view of the whole franchise, you never really get an elf character (that is not your protagonist) that is respectful of modern elves and isn't put down all of the time. The only one was Merrill, and it was nice to see some elven culture, city elves were explored many times. And also I'm salty Sera is rude to me for thinking the elven ruin were fascinating. (they were! it's like archeology, but alive!)

 

Maybe I felt like that because I came from DA2. There everyone was with you, because they felt close to you. Here the group stays together, because of a common goal. Also, Aveline and Isabela going from fighting constantly to being very lose friends, Varric watching out for Anders and Merrill, people feeling affectionate towards Hawke - all of this makes them feel closer to each other than in DAI. I loved Dorian and Cassandra, and liked Bull, but I had more conflict with the rest. In 2 I was neutral about Fenris, and hated Sebastian, that's it, I loved the rest. In DAI, Solas was a lying egg, Cole was a little cold and detached, because of the way he spoke (especially in the spirit route), Varric was Hawke's friend more, not mine, Vivienne was rude and used me for her own gain, Blackwall was a lying hairball, and I kinda didn't warm up to Sera, but I guess that one is on me. 

Scenes like that would be nice, but they probably won't make those, they want to include your protagonist in everything.

 

If they give Dorian a cameo, they will at least mention the relationship (like they did with Morrigan/Alistair)

 

They are so cute, more of that would be awesome. Thank the maker for fanfiction.

[Witch Cocktor]

I was just thinking of how meh it is that Bull never comments about how the guy he saw at the bar had the juiciest ass he had ever seen or how the red-headed elf man was totally giving him signals. But I'm guessing this is because

1) he doesn't really have anyone to talk about guys with. Sure there is Dorian, but they don't get on THAT WELL at first. And before they become acquainted enough to talk about the hot dudes they've seen, they're already banging each other. Certainly he could talk about dudes with the Inquisitor or really, anyone in the party, but it just doesn't happen? I'm gonna go through Bull's party banter next and see if he hits on any of the other dudes or if he talks about dudes at all to anyone. I doubt it, though.

2) wasn't Iron Bull supposed to be female-only at first, or maybe I'm thinking wrong? Maybe BW just didn't have enough time/didn't care enough to add any banter/dialogue where he'd talk about banging the guys.

 

it certainly sucks though, just a bit...

[vertigomez]

the really ridiculous thing is that Dorian, completely gay, even comments on women and their looks, compliments the lady Inquisitor on her everything. Goes as far as flirting with her even though he prefers other goods and then you have IB who's openly Bi and never compliments guys ever on anything, I got so tired of him talking about the girls he banged and the women talking about how hot the Bull is ... like, is there not a single gay guy in all of Skyhold other than Dorian?

To be fair, Bull's pretty vocal about how hot he finds Dorian, and then there's that... 'bananas' conversation with Blackwall. And men openly hit on Cullen at Halamshiral, and there's that gay couple that argues in the background. But more is always better. It makes it feel more real when people openly acknowledge their same-sex attraction, rather than having it be dependent on the PC.

edit: And Bull was never gated to women-only, to my knowledge. They worked last minute to make him available to dwarf Inquisitors of either gender, but that's it.

[Biotic Apostate]

A lot of the women playing the game would like to have more tough romance like Jack. They see the romance for women to be too soft and girly.

 

If that's how gay characters are being written by straight men, then I'm all for it. I'm just pretty tired at this point about hearing about how hard it is to be gay and why the characters have to revolve around it instead of being a part of them. I know that already, I just want a romance where it's just a part of them while the storyline has more to do with the characters, maybe an occasional comments on guys or something. What I want in a KISA is someone like Danse, supposed that he's gay, and only romanceable by a guy, his story is basically about honor and identity crisis, but he's just happened to like guys. Well, he's playersexual, but I want to use that as an example of how I want a gay romance to be in a Bioware game. Something like commenting on guys like how IronBull does with girls. Both IronBull and Kaidan only commented on girls, otherwise, they're only gay for one person, Kaidan for Shepard and Iron Bull for Dorian/Inquisitor. This is an aspect Bioware needs to improve on on bisexual romances.

I'd argue Cortez had zero of talking about how hard it is to be gay, he just happened to be a man that lost his spouse. Danse would be a good example if he way gay, but writers wanting to avoid the gay gay character make him and Kaidan and others either bi or playersexual. And that is a shame. I disagree with the point about Bull though, he makes passes to men, he's not only interested in women.

 

And that's how gay women get written by straight men mostly for straight men to enjoy. That's hardly ideal.

[SentinelMacDeath]

it bothered me that much with IB because he's so open about his sexual escapades but only when it comes to the girls. My PC is gay and he still thinks I'm interested in hearing how much he enjoyed his night with the barmaid. He doesn't even hit on Cullen and he's some serious eye candy. He hits only on the one gay character BW so graciously supplied. I don't buy it. There are plenty of hot guys around to have a quick tryst with and he seems to like that. Missed opportunity right there. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

I'd argue Cortez had zero of talking about how hard it is to be gay, he just happened to be a man that lost his spouse. Danse would be a good example if he way gay, but writers wanting to avoid the gay gay character make him and Kaidan and others either bi or playersexual. And that is a shame. I disagree with the point about Bull though, he makes passes to men, he's not only interested in women.

 

But when does Bull make passes at guys other than Dorian? You only ever hear him talk about dem frisky girls and you hear ladies talk about the Bull. Maybe I haven't come across the guys that talk about the Bull yet or missed the convo with Bull and his sexy times with the guys of Skyhold  

[vertigomez]

it bothered me that much with IB because he's so open about his sexual escapades but only when it comes to the girls. My PC is gay and he still thinks I'm interested in hearing how much he enjoyed his night with the barmaid. He doesn't even hit on Cullen and he's some serious eye candy. He hits only on the one gay character BW so graciously supplied. I don't buy it. There are plenty of hot guys around to have a quick tryst with and he seems to like that. Missed opportunity right there.

I would've liked to hear about some stableboys in addition to those kitchen maids.

But, he's usually talking about women with people who're interested in women, like Sera and Blackwall. And even with Blackwall he makes innuendo about his firm grip, and also the bananas bit.

[Biotic Apostate]

But when does Bull make passes at guys other than Dorian? You only ever hear him talk about dem frisky girls and you hear ladies talk about the Bull. Maybe I haven't come across the guys that talk about the Bull yet or missed the convo with Bull and his sexy times with the guys of Skyhold

Dorian and banana talk with Blackwall, that's all I know of. Bisexuals aren't always equally attracted to both genders, it makes sense for me that he might mention women more, especially since there are more straight people in the world. He also romances Dorian if left alone. I don't need him to equally praise both genders, his bisexuality is clearly stated in canon, and that is enough for me.

[Battlebloodmage]

Dorian and banana talk with Blackwall, that's all I know of. Bisexuals aren't always equally attracted to both genders, it makes sense for me that he might mention women more, especially since there are more straight people in the world. He also romances Dorian if left alone. I don't need him to equally praise both genders, his bisexuality is clearly stated in canon, and that is enough for me.

And that seems like a shame, making all bisexuals lean toward females just make it seem like they don't want to offend the dudebros or that hooking up with a guy is because they can't find a girl or something. Would it be hard to get a bisexual guy who is more into guys? ME has never cared about gays, but DA seems to be more open but it still has some big disappointment for me on how they handle LGBT contents. I hope that they improve it with the next game. I don't get why the stereotypically straight characters have to end up straight, would be cool to see if they mix it up a bit.