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[dgcatanisiri]

^Yep, absolutely no more 'does that offend you??' for m/m romances. I really don't care if male players are squicked at the idea of a man hitting on them. It's like what Joss Whedon said (paraphrased) about Willow coming out of the closet on BtVS: 'we lost some fans we probably didn't want anyway'.

On another note, how do y'all feel about a questioning KISA, one who is plainly attracted to the PC but has never been in a same-sex relationship before?

 

I'd be interested, but, given the track record, I'm not sure I trust them enough to see them try it. Like we've just been saying, their track record is very hit or miss in general on the portrayal of bisexuals, in showing bisexuals who are more than just 'if it's you, it's okay' when it comes to same sex relationship, so showing a character who is facing their first serious same-sex attraction seems like it'd easily be seen as just 'not implementing' bisexuality or something. Especially considering that we're likely to only have significant character development for a character in a single game, which means that even if this character who is exploring their sexuality in this way is only given a possible relationship with the male PC, they're still going to be seen as 'going gay' for them and that outside of that relationship, would be seen as 'still' being straight. I mean just look at how we are STILL having the argument about DA2's LIs being bisexual or "playersexual," and we're the better part of five years since DA2 was released.

 

It's an interesting story that I would like to see, but I don't think the writing or the audience is ready and capable to handle the complexity of what a character questioning their sexuality would be like.

[Battlebloodmage]

^Yep, absolutely no more 'does that offend you??' for m/m romances. I really don't care if male players are squicked at the idea of a man hitting on them. It's like what Joss Whedon said (paraphrased) about Willow coming out of the closet on BtVS: 'we lost some fans we probably didn't want anyway'.

On another note, how do y'all feel about a questioning KISA, one who is plainly attracted to the PC but has never been in a same-sex relationship before?

I would prefer if he's gay, but if he's a virgin, I can imagine a situation like with Danse and Alistair. They're probably surprised and embarrassed in general, but it's not because it's a m/m relationship but it's because it's not something they have done before, so it just comes off as a surprise to them. Of course the aftermatch could change that, I guess, since Alistair was asking about if that was good enough while Danse gets really pervy in general afterward. I like these variations and how characters have their own personality and appropriate response based on their personality. I personally don't want them to question it based exclusively because it's a gay relationship but whether they're ever in a relationship at all.

[sandalisthemaker]

^Yep, absolutely no more 'does that offend you??' for m/m romances. I really don't care if male players are squicked at the idea of a man hitting on them. It's like what Joss Whedon said (paraphrased) about Willow coming out of the closet on BtVS: 'we lost some fans we probably didn't want anyway'.

On another note, how do y'all feel about a questioning KISA, one who is plainly attracted to the PC but has never been in a same-sex relationship before?

 

Kaidan was kind of like that.

 

I'd be fine with that, but in order for it to be effective, I feel that the writer(s) would need to take their time getting the concept across so that it feels nuanced and genuine.  I very much believe that some people have a fluid sexuality. If BioWare could pull it off and translate that into a good romance, more power to them. 

[vertigomez]

Yeah, I can see how it could be difficult to implement... but they don't necessarily have to be bisexual to be questioning. I wouldn't mind a gay character who didn't realize they were gay until later in life or something like that. But yeeaah I suppose Bioware's track record isn't too great on that. They can be clumsy with the way they word LGBT issues in-game...

Speaking of Alistair... I wonder if people are more interested in a shy or confident KISA? Aveline and Cassandra were both tough women with smooshy centers. Alistair and Cullen are shy and bumbling in the romance department. Sebastian really seems like the exception, maybe because he lived a wild life before he was sent to the Chantry?

[vertigomez]

Kaidan was kind of like that.

I'd be fine with that, but in order for it to be effective, I feel that the writer(s) would need to take their time getting the concept across so that it feels nuanced and genuine.  I very much believe that some people have a fluid sexuality. If BioWare could pull it off and translate that into a good romance, more power to them.

Yes, I suppose the issue is whether or not his/her writer could pull it off. I think it's possible, they just have to be careful. Actually show that the character is... not struggling with it, per se, but coming to terms with it? Because until now all the gay/bi LIs have just always known their sexuality - which is absolutely the experience of a lot of people. But not everyone.

[Battlebloodmage]

Yeah, I can see how it could be difficult to implement... but they don't necessarily have to be bisexual to be questioning. I wouldn't mind a gay character who didn't realize they were gay until later in life or something like that. But yeeaah I suppose Bioware's track record isn't too great on that. They can be clumsy with the way they word LGBT issues in-game...

Speaking of Alistair... I wonder if people are more interested in a shy or confident KISA? Aveline and Cassandra were both tough women with smooshy centers. Alistair and Cullen are shy and bumbling in the romance department. Sebastian really seems like the exception, maybe because he lived a wild life before he was sent to the Chantry?

Look at my taste in video games guys: Alistair, Cullen, Danse. I have a leaning toward shy sweet guy. Maybe it's just more adorable and fluffy. I find it more romantic while a confident is more sexually in charged and it gives off the impression of lust than anything, but that's just how I find it. 

 

Danse's romance is not about him questioning his sexuality, but it's about him being too busy with works that he didn't have time to think of anything else. Cullen is more or less the same as well. That is why I find Danse to be FO4 Cullen. They are very similar, except Beth bothers to implement it instead of cutting it out entirely like Bioware did. Yeah, I'm still pretty salty about that. I want them to avoid revolving relationship around sexual orientation as much as possible. Dorian really ruined it for me. I hope it's just something a part of them above all things. Those who questioned their sexuality would be bi-curious, so they're not really gay. It's like the Kinsey scale, they lie somewhere toward the bisexuality scale instead of opposite end, and I would want a KISA who is on the opposite end.

[sandalisthemaker]

Yeah, I can see how it could be difficult to implement... but they don't necessarily have to be bisexual to be questioning. I wouldn't mind a gay character who didn't realize they were gay until later in life or something like that. But yeeaah I suppose Bioware's track record isn't too great on that. They can be clumsy with the way they word LGBT issues in-game...

Speaking of Alistair... I wonder if people are more interested in a shy or confident KISA? Aveline and Cassandra were both tough women with smooshy centers. Alistair and Cullen are shy and bumbling in the romance department. Sebastian really seems like the exception, maybe because he lived a wild life before he was sent to the Chantry?

 

 

Yeah, it's been done with Alistair and Cullen already, but I like the idea of a KISA who is confident on the field of battle, but shy in the romance department.  They don't have to awkward, but shy and sweet would be nice for me at least.  That being said, I would like something to distinguish a gay male KISA from Alistair and Cullen as well.  I don't simply want a clone of either of them personality-wise. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Yeah, it's been done with Alistair and Cullen already, but I like the idea of a KISA who is confident on the field of battle, but shy in the romance department.  They don't have to awkward, but shy and sweet would be nice for me at least.  That being said, I would like something to distinguish a gay male KISA from Alistair and Cullen as well.  I don't simply want a clone of either of them personality-wise. 

And they're both straight. Sigh... for once, I want a shy and fluffy gay guy. It's really too hard to have. All the gay romance seem to be sexually experienced, Zevran, Fenris, Anders, Dorian, Iron Bull, Cortez, and Kaidan. I wouldn't mind a sexually inexperienced gay guy for once. 

[dgcatanisiri]

Yeah, I can see how it could be difficult to implement... but they don't necessarily have to be bisexual to be questioning. I wouldn't mind a gay character who didn't realize they were gay until later in life or something like that. But yeeaah I suppose Bioware's track record isn't too great on that. They can be clumsy with the way they word LGBT issues in-game...

Speaking of Alistair... I wonder if people are more interested in a shy or confident KISA? Aveline and Cassandra were both tough women with smooshy centers. Alistair and Cullen are shy and bumbling in the romance department. Sebastian really seems like the exception, maybe because he lived a wild life before he was sent to the Chantry?

 

For me, I definitely prefer the Alistair/Cullen type, but that's specifically because one) it's nice to see this 'lead male' style character (because even if Cullen's romance was added in the extension, he fits the traditional position) being the shy and less confident character, and two) that makes them particularly attractive to me, because it lets me relate to them more than other characters. Those are character traits I recognize in myself, and being able to romance them with a male character would mean the world for me, because it gives me a feeling of confidence that someone who I would be attracted to would find that attractive in my life.

 

I also think it'd be a nice change among the gay characters that they've given us. I think the only gay/bi male in the Dragon Age games so far who would be classified as introverted is Fenris. Otherwise, they've been pretty loud and confident in their presentation, even if it is an act. It'd be a refreshing alternative to these loud, proud, and flirtatious options to have a guy who is uncomfortable and/or reluctant to put themselves out there.

 

It'd be easy to accuse a guy like this as being a clone of Alistair and/or Cullen, but I think a storyline could be given to them that differentiated them. And, frankly, I don't really give a damn if they are considered 'a clone' or not, because these types of guys so rarely feel like they're presented as being attracted to the same sex, but there are two heterosexual versions of this type of character available as heterosexual only options? Personally, I'm more inclined to call Dorian a clone of Zevran in terms of personality, just with more of an angsty past and only a gay option, so we're already getting clones. At least this would be a clone for gay players who'd previously only been for straight players.

 

And for women, it would also be new and unusual to ACTUALLY. GET.  a butch woman as a same-sex option. Like, people say that it's 'perpetuating a negative stereotype' by having these butch women being attracted to women, but I legitimately can't recall the last time I saw a butch woman in media who was actually portrayed as attracted to women. So yeah, bring on these characters as gay options.

[Battlebloodmage]

The problem is lesbians and female relationships are written by straight males, so it's often the fantasy between 2 hot feminine women together. With a butch woman, it's hard for a regular straight man to write and relate to being in a masculine relationship with another masculine role. 

 

Yeah, when people talking about clones, there is no such clone to ever existed for a gay character, none of them ever shy about sex or relationship in a Bioware game. 

[sandalisthemaker]

And they're both straight. Sigh... for once, I want a shy and fluffy gay guy. It's really too hard to have. All the gay romance seem to be sexually experienced, Zevran, Fenris, Anders, Dorian, Iron Bull, Cortez, and Kaidan. I wouldn't mind a sexually inexperienced gay guy for once. 

 

Very true.

 

And I've actually never experienced Alistair's or Cullen's romances first hand.  So it would be a new thing for me, but as far as BioWare is concerned, I don't think they would rehash companions like that. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

I want a guy like Maxson as my KISA, hard exterior, stern, rough looking, driven, strong morals but who knows what's under all that coat. A guy that has 0 interest in the PC at first and it takes some "work" to crack the shell 

 

Edit: I always imagined Kaidan as sexually inexperienced but he kinda goes to town on mShep ... he spends a lot of time on the extranet fetish sites sooooooo .... 

[Battlebloodmage]

I want a guy like Maxson as my KISA, hard exterior, stern, rough looking, driven, strong morals but who knows what's under all that coat. A guy that has 0 interest in the PC at first and it takes some "work" to crack the shell 

 

Edit: I always imagined Kaidan as sexually inexperienced but he kinda goes to town on mShep ... he spends a lot of time on the extranet fetish sites sooooooo .... 

Kaidan is definitely not a virgin though, even in bed, he's always take charges, and he dated girls many times, and he doesn't seem to have any hang up when talking about sex or relationship. Watching porn is one thing but first hand experience actually have a different in behavior and confidence in bed in general, from what I've experienced.

 

I feel like Maxson have a bunch of little Maxson jr running around. Guys with his look get plenty. Then again, the same thing could be said about Danse, but he seems to not be sexually interested in anything and just focus on his work while Maxson had a crush on Lyon.

[Akrabra]

Kaidan watches porn?

[SentinelMacDeath]

Maxson better has some Maxson Jr running around, he needs a successor.

 

I knoooow that Kaidan has some experience but I always imagine him as inexperienced I don't know why xD wishful thinking maybe? I don't know. He's all work first, play later too. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

Kaidan watches porn?

 

who doesn't watch porn? (Danse absolutely doesn't, bless his soul) but Kaidan sure knows about Asari and fetish sites xD 

[Battlebloodmage]

who doesn't watch porn? (Danse absolutely doesn't, bless his soul) but Kaidan sure knows about Asari and fetish sites xD 

Definitely not Danse. He's such a boyscout, probably find those activities unfit for a Brotherhood soldier and unnecessary although I wonder what his spankbank is, probably Elder Maxson. He's the same guy who ordered nonalcoholic beverage at a bar. Even if he wanted to, I doubt there is any porn existed in the Wasteland. You would make plenty of caps with it though if you can create one. lol

 

Kaidan would probably into robotic stuffs, he found EDI attractive afterall.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

who doesn't watch porn?

I don't. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

I don't. 

never?  

[SentinelMacDeath]

Definitely not Danse. He's such a boyscout, probably find those activities unfit for a Brotherhood soldier and unnecessary although I wonder what his spankbank is, probably Elder Maxson. He's the same guy who ordered nonalcoholic beverage at a bar. Even if he wanted to, I doubt there is any porn existed in the Wasteland. You would make plenty of caps with it though if you can create one. lol

 

Kaidan would probably into robotic stuffs, he found EDI attractive afterall.

 

you could make a killing with a radio channel that reads smutty literature HA, thinking about it, I want a mod like that lol 

[Battlebloodmage]

never?

I find it more common for girls not to use it, I guess guys are more generally into visual. That is not to say girls don't watch it, yaoi is porn made by women for women. It's more story driven and romance plot based... asides from the common rape theme in yaoi. You often hear about how wife gets annoyed by husband watching porn but not the other way around. Anyway, I feel like it's just depending on the biological make up in general whether people can find porn desirable.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

never?

Well, I guess it depends on what one considers pornography. Hardcore I definitely haven't, but I guess I have to say yes to softcore since that's everywhere, with Bioware's sex scenes falling under that for example. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

I think I watched the first hardcore porn when I was 12 or 13 because I found it in the house xD I just went downhill from there on lol

[Battlebloodmage]

I think I watched the first hardcore porn when I was 12 or 13 because I found it in the house xD I just went downhill from there on lol

I saw porn probably around 10, and I lost my virginity around that 12, but I guess I'm just developed early or something. lol

 

American teenagers are generally exposing to sex more and they're more likely to have sex early. Still, in term of sex, Europe is probably more sexually liberal though. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

I saw porn probably around 10, and I lost my virginity around that 12, but I guess I'm just developed early or something. lol

 

American teenagers are generally exposing to sex more and they're more likely to have sex early. Still, in term of sex, Europe is probably more sexually liberal though. 

 

Well, I'm European ... xD