Straightwashing. I dislike that word. And it makes me feel uncomfortable too....
Kaidan was planned to be bisexual (there is dialogue and all), but someone went 'male gays? can't have that' and they straightwashed him. Might not like the word, but that is what happened.
I would like a gay KISA who isn't a romance option. The only time we have had homosexual characters in the party, it's when they are romance options so having a gay character who is there for more than being a LI would be nice.
That would mean less/no gay romance options. Not really what most people here want
That would mean less/no gay romance options. Not really what most people here want
How so? There being straight characters who aren't romancable doesn't mean there are less straight options.
But it would sting. Especially in regards to our little thread here. It would be like when Kaidan was made available for gay romance, but Ashley wasn't. There was a thread suggesting they both be made available for same sex romance in ME3, and when it only happened for Kaidan, his fans were happy, but were also trying to keep the celebration in check due to Ash fans totally missing out.
It would be a mess in here, I think, if something similar were to happen.
I don't think that's a good comparison. In your example, those are character people have known and loved for years before it happened. With a new game, the characters are new so it would be no different than say those who want Vivienne as a romance option.
How so? There being straight characters who aren't romancable doesn't mean there are less straight options.
We're talking about gay characters. Straight companions are a dime a dozen, gay ones are few and far between. Gay characters will always be a minority, and every one of them cuts into the number of s/s romances we get. If there really is to be a non-romancable gay squad member, let it be a broody elf rogue. The point of this thread is that non-stereotypical gay KISA romances are nowhere to be seen and it's dissapointing.
I don't think that's a good comparison. In your example, those are character people have known and loved for years before it happened. With a new game, the characters are new so it would be no different than say those who want Vivienne as a romance option.
But still, there would be some of us really happy and others of us totally bummed out. I would prefer it if there was both a lady and gentleman S/S romanceable KISA. Things don't always work out of course, but that would be my ideal.
But it would sting. Especially in regards to our little thread here. It would be like when Kaidan was made available for gay romance, but Ashley wasn't. There was a thread suggesting they both be made available for same sex romance in ME3, and when it only happened for Kaidan, his fans were happy, but were also trying to keep the celebration in check due to Ash fans totally missing out.
It would be a mess in here, I think, if something similar were to happen.
Also, I just got AC Syndicate last week. Haven't played beyond the first 1/2 hour so far, but I found out that according to WOG, Jacob (not a KISA, but still) is either bi-curious or bisexual!!
These statements are often very empty to me. He never mentioned it and the only time the gay thing ever brought up where when he was kissed by another guy which he acted either surprised or disgusted, hard to tell. If they're gonna do it like that then throw in a line or two about him having a crush on someone would be nice.
You have to assign Pixar characters to everyone now.
It's easy for you. You're Gill from Finding Nemo. 
Vertigomez is WALL-E, without question 
. I want to say Daveliam is Sully, but Sully's not really enough of an intellectual.
i just hope they don't **** up the gay option
We're talking about gay characters. Straight companions are a dime a dozen, gay ones are few and far between. Gay characters will always be a minority, and every one of them cuts into the number of s/s romances we get. If there really is to be a non-romancable gay squad member, let it be a broody elf rogue. The point of this thread is that non-stereotypical gay KISA romances are nowhere to be seen and it's dissapointing.
But still, there would be some of us really happy and others of us totally bummed out. I would prefer it if there was both a lady and gentleman S/S romanceable KISA. Things don't always work out of course, but that would be my ideal.
I still don't see how it cuts into it. If Bioware wants to write say three homosexual characters to be in the party than two, they'll do it. Plus since you want to break stereotypes, having a gay character not interesting in getting involved with the hero would do that too. But if you all don't want it that just leaves another slot for hopefully a character of my orientation, so that's fine. Just throwing out what I thought would be a good idea. Guess I was wrong. Don't suggest an idea unless it involves sex with the protagonist, got it.
I still don't see how it cuts into it. If Bioware wants to write say three homosexual characters to be in the party than two, they'll do it. Plus since you want to break stereotypes, having a gay character not interesting in getting involved with the hero would do that too. But if you all don't want it that just leaves another slot for hopefully a character of my orientation, so that's fine. Just throwing out what I thought would be a good idea. Guess I was wrong. Don't suggest an idea unless it involves sex with the protagonist, got it.
Ha three gay characters in the team! I'd like to see that.
I think you're confusing threads. You said you want a gay KISA, who is not available as a romance, we said a romance with that character is important to us. And now you go "all you want is sex!" You were the one to mention sex. Romance is not the synonym for sex. And gay people falling in love with someone and "even" having sex with those people is not a stereotype and not a thing that needs braking.
Really no need to drag that discussion into this thread. I don't want a flame war here too.
I still don't see how it cuts into it. If Bioware wants to write say three homosexual characters to be in the party than two, they'll do it. Plus since you want to break stereotypes, having a gay character not interesting in getting involved with the hero would do that too. But if you all don't want it that just leaves another slot for hopefully a character of my orientation, so that's fine. Just throwing out what I thought would be a good idea. Guess I was wrong. Don't suggest an idea unless it involves sex with the protagonist, got it.
So, you'd be just as excited by a demisexual companion that you can't romance as you would one that you can?
Because that's all Sandal is saying. He hopes there's a way for the maximum number of KISA hopefuls to be happy with their options.
What good is a gay KISA if you can't romance him? And don't be ridiculous, it's not like they're going to have more than one gay companion, IF THAT, in the next game.
Kaidan was planned to be bisexual (there is dialogue and all), but someone went 'male gays? can't have that' and they straightwashed him. Might not like the word, but that is what happened.
But still, there would be some of us really happy and others of us totally bummed out. I would prefer it if there was both a lady and gentleman S/S romanceable KISA. Things don't always work out of course, but that would be my ideal.
I'm going to google this 'Sully'......It's easy for you. You're Gill from Finding Nemo.
Vertigomez is WALL-E, without question
I still don't see how it cuts into it. If Bioware wants to write say three homosexual characters to be in the party than two, they'll do it. Plus since you want to break stereotypes, having a gay character not interesting in getting involved with the hero would do that too. But if you all don't want it that just leaves another slot for hopefully a character of my orientation, so that's fine. Just throwing out what I thought would be a good idea. Guess I was wrong. Don't suggest an idea unless it involves sex with the protagonist, got it.
I don't know how to respond to this. Maybe it's mixed emotions?
I can see where Biotic A is coming from, although perhaps the wording isn't the most eloquent. The "Shepard can't be gay (and male)" debacle was really offensive and insulting. Those of us who were around for it might be holding onto those feelings a bit longer than we need to, but I understand why. You have to remember that we've only gotten 1 ME game with gay male options (one is an NPC with fairly little content and the other was a straight female PC romance repurposed - ie content removed to make it work - for a gay male PC). And that followed two games of being insulted by the Bioware soundbytes about how (paraphrased) Shep can be anything you want him/her to be except for a gay male because in that one aspect for that one gender, he's arbitrarily been decided to be a "pre-set" character. Combined with an embarrassing amount of 'insert foot into mouth' rationalizing about why male Shep can't be gay. It stung and it really put off many fans. I can see why Biotic A is using the term "straightwashing", although it wouldn't be my term for it. So there's still a level of mistrust from the ME team about this kind of content. They've yet to actually provide a well thought out and in-depth m/m romance in that series. So the hesitation is still there for ME: A.
I'm gonna ingore this thread for awhile, if you don't mind? I don't think I'd really add anything to it... I'm not gay, so.... Awkward for me.
I really hope that you don't feel as if you don't have the space to add to the conversation because of your sexuality. That would suck.
Ha three gay characters in the team! I'd like to see that.
I think you're confusing threads. You said you want a gay KISA, who is not available as a romance, we said a romance with that character is important to us. And now you go "all you want is sex!" You were the one to mention sex. Romance is not the synonym for sex. And gay people falling in love with someone and "even" having sex with those people is not a stereotype and not a thing that needs braking.
Really no need to drag that discussion into this thread. I don't want a flame war here too.
I wasn't being fully serious in that post. I know that romance =/= sex. I've been arguing that a lot in the MEA forums.
I think people are trying to be realistic while still hopeful. It's less about 'sex with the protagonist' and more about the trend that we rarely get more than 3-4 LGBT characters. I can see why people are viewing it as a zero sum game.
That being said, I actually agree with you. DA: I had a fairly large amount of LGBT NPCs (Krem, Celene, Briala, Dagna, Maryden, etc). I think we are actually in a place with that series where we might be able to see an LGBT companion who ISN'T romanceable without that character 'taking the spot' of one of the four LGBT romance options. Especially with Patrick at the helm. Although, if I'm being honest, I suspect that non-romanceable LGBT companion is likely to be Maevaris in the next game. And, while she's awesome, a KISA she is not.
I'm glad you agree with that at least.
That's true. She is a popular character for people, would make sense for Tevinter if Dorian isn't a returning companion, and would be progressive since she'd be the first trans companion.
So, you'd be just as excited by a demisexual companion that you can't romance as you would one that you can?
Because that's all Sandal is saying. He hopes there's a way for the maximum number of KISA hopefuls to be happy with their options.
Absolutely. While sure being able to explore a demisexual romance would be nice, I'd be more than fine with it if they just had them as a non-romancable companion. Just like I've seen some transgendered people being more than pleased if we have a transgendered person like Mae as a companion even if they aren't romancable. Eventually both groups would want a romance option to be them, but even having a companion who is would be a huge step and one welcomed wholeheartedly.
I don't see why a "demisexual" character is needed.
Aside from the fact that its genuity as anything else than a snowflake syndrome is questionable, it faces no oppression of any kind and is part of the hetero/hom0/bisexuality spectrum.
I really fail to imagine how it would even be announced by the character nor why the character would even need to as most people don't have sex or flirt with people they don't know/like anyway.
I put it on the same level of pansexuality, a replacement for bisexuality, or common decency (demisexual), as a mean to make yourself seem special, more loving or decent than a common person.
I don't see why a "demisexual" character is needed.
Aside from the fact that its genuity as anything else than a snowflake syndrome is questionable, it faces no oppression of any kind and is part of the hetero/hom0/bisexuality spectrum.
I really fail to imagine how it would even be announced by the character nor why the character would even need to as most people don't have sex or flirt with people they don't know/like anyway.
I put it on the same level of pansexuality, a replacement for bisexuality, or common decency (demisexual), as a mean to make yourself seem special, more loving or decent than a common person.
Agreed. Whether demisexuality is a sexuality or a preference can be debated. '' Demisexuals '' ARE still either gay, bi or straight.
Even so, a storyline that follows a path that is aching to how a relationship with an alleged '' demisexual '' would evolve can be made, and I see no harm in that.
I really hope that you don't feel as if you don't have the space to add to the conversation because of your sexuality. That would suck.
They don't do it on propose so I don't hold it against them.You're not alone. I'm certainly feeling awkward and very welcome right now.
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