This was the first place I ever posted on BSN. I'm going to miss this thread. I'm glad I got to be a part of it.
And I recommend writing to Lady, it's a nice group with lovely people, and there will definitely be a place for the successor of the KISA thread.
So, like, can we talk about or post NSFW content now?
^ Forum rules still apply for the next month. You might get a ban or the post might get a mod edit. If you want to continue to actually post here until the closure, I'd suggest following those rules.
Also, you know, I think this thread was pretty classy in general. It would be nice to go out that way, too. It's not like there isn't lots of porn around the internet, or heck, even on Tumblr (I follow a couple of these).
There was a lot of fanboy/girling going on (Danse!) in this thread at times, but I do hope that Bioware saw some of the more cogent posts, particularly the OP, and took the message to heart. While tropes and cliches aren't necessarily bad in and of themselves (ALL stories are full of various ones), there needs to be some variety in their presentation of the homosexual and bisexual characters.
Bioware tends to pride themselves on breaking barriers, so let's break another one by having a gay KISA and challenging that view. While a lesbian KISA is nice, and also important, I'd say that the male gay KISA would be more ground breaking simply because gay men are very rarely portrayed that way in fiction. So let's have one.
There was a lot of fanboy/girling going on (Danse!) in this thread at times, but I do hope that Bioware saw some of the more cogent posts, particularly the OP, and took the message to heart. While tropes and cliches aren't necessarily bad in and of themselves (ALL stories are full of various ones), there needs to be some variety in their presentation of the homosexual and bisexual characters.
Bioware tends to pride themselves on breaking barriers, so let's break another one by having a gay KISA and challenging that view. While a lesbian KISA is nice, and also important, I'd say that the male gay KISA would be more ground breaking simply because gay men are very rarely portrayed that way in fiction. So let's have one.
That is a nice summary. I'd say even many of the tangential posts show there's certainly a yearning for more diversity. LGBT characters in video games are still few and far between, and there's still a lot of popular tropes that aren't represented by any gay characters. I hope BW noticed this (and read this thread), and will be the ones to give us our long awaited gay KISA.
That is a nice summary. I'd say even many of the tangential posts show there's certainly a yearning for more diversity. LGBT characters in video games are still few and far between, and there's still a lot of popular tropes that aren't represented by any gay characters. I hope BW noticed this (and read this thread), and will be the ones to give us our long awaited gay KISA.
Especially one that's practically front and center to the main plot. Much like how Cassandra was in Inquisition compared to the other companions. Or like how Alistair was in Origins.
EDIT; to summarise...
1) A gay Knight in Shining Armour who's well developed and well rounded character and companion.
2) A departure from deeply entrenched stereotypes and has the appeal and charisma to boot.
3) Contributes heavily to the main plot of the game's storyline.
No matter what he would be, and i am sure ther we would have a gay/bisexual character, i hope that he will not be forced companion/advisor like Cullen and Dorian, will not have not only good but have a some bad endings(even if he will not have death endings like someones, at least something like drunk alistair) too as others, and not ignore our game decidions, especially if they was connected with him
Dorian was not care about everything what we can done in Inquisition and no matter what, when we can not have him in Inquisition or banish him, or make him break relations with his father, and not find his family medalion...he is no matter what still become a altus magister and member of the Senat, and for actually doing nothing, this was make some sense if he was a member of Inquisition and really fight with Coryfeus
The same was with Sera
So i think they should be equal and should have consequences of our decidions as have a bad endings not only good ones cos this not fair compare to all others and ruin roleplay when you cant really disagree and become enemies of such characters as deal with them, you can only agree and be their friends/lovers or when you totally disagree with them you can only just make them go away without any bad things...they are like Tallis
Zevran was a good example, as Fenris, as Bull
No matter what he would be, and i am sure ther we would have a gay/bisexual character, i hope that he will not be forced companion/advisor like Cullen and Dorian, will not have not only good but have a some bad endings(even if he will not have death endings like someones, at least something like drunk alistair) too as others, and not ignore our game decidions, especially if they was connected with him
Dorian was not care about everything what we can done in Inquisition and no matter what, when we can not have him in Inquisition or banish him, or make him break relations with his father, and not find his family medalion...he is no matter what still become a altus magister and member of the Senat, and for actually doing nothing, this was make some sense if he was a member of Inquisition and really fight with Coryfeus
The same was with Sera
So i think they should be equal and should have consequences of our decidions as have a bad endings not only good ones cos this not fair compare to all others and ruin roleplay when you cant really disagree and become enemies of such characters as deal with them, you can only agree and be their friends/lovers or when you totally disagree with them you can only just make them go away without any bad things...they are like Tallis
Zevran was a good example, as Fenris, as Bull
What do you want to say?
This topic not about this. This topic about, that we want a knight-like character as LI, not only a promiscuous rogue, mercenary or fancy mage with fashion-problems or something similar stereotypical.
Fenris is good, I like Anders for example, but no one of them is a knight-kind character. A gay/bi knight would be nice.
So i think they should be equal and should have consequences of our decidions as have a bad endings not only good ones cos this not fair compare to all others and ruin roleplay when you cant really disagree and become enemies of such characters as deal with them, you can only agree and be their friends/lovers or when you totally disagree with them you can only just make them go away without any bad things...they are like Tallis
I don't think we can draw any conclusions about how BioWare treats gay characters in this regard, given that we've only had two of them in the main cast so far. There are also straight and bisexual characters that end up in the same position no matter what. For example: it doesn't matter what you do, Varric is still viscount of Kirkwall and Josephine gets her family situation sorted out somehow and is an important diplomat.
No matter what he would be, and i am sure ther we would have a gay/bisexual character, i hope that he will not be forced companion/advisor like Cullen and Dorian, will not have not only good but have a some bad endings(even if he will not have death endings like someones, at least something like drunk alistair) too as others, and not ignore our game decidions, especially if they was connected with him
Dorian was not care about everything what we can done in Inquisition and no matter what, when we can not have him in Inquisition or banish him, or make him break relations with his father, and not find his family medalion...he is no matter what still become a altus magister and member of the Senat, and for actually doing nothing, this was make some sense if he was a member of Inquisition and really fight with Coryfeus
Oh look, it's that guy, who wants BW to limit LGBT content and to have an option to kill every single LGBT companion, constantly moving goalposts to justify straight characters never having an option to be killed, but raging about non-straight characters getting the same treatment. (also, Dorian helped me defeat Corypheus during the final fight, so I don't know, what you're talking about)
You're not achieving anything with your posts - BW will continue to add LGBT characters, some of them in important roles, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. You can either accept that there will be LGBT characters that do more than just wait for you to kill them, or move to some other game series.
Part of me is sad that I won't get to see how annoyed you will be, when DA4 comes out, and Mae will be one of the advisors or companions. I'd get so much Schadenfreude.
Part of me is sad that I won't get to see how annoyed you will be, when DA4 comes out, and Mae will be one of the advisors or companions. I'd get so much Schadenfreude.
Oh, I'm sure there would be plenty of people whining about Maevaris existing and thus plenty of Schadenfreude to go around! I mean, the down side is it could be as bad as the 'how dare Anders hit on my male character without my permission?!' furore combined with the reactions some people had to Siege of Dragonspear, but on the bright side: Mae!
Just in case anyone hasn't seen it, this is a networking thread with a list of all the viable BSN alternatives.
https://forum.biowar...n-forums/page-1
I hope to see the thread regulars here stay around in some capacity. This was often an extremely fun thread, and I'm going to miss it.
Oh, I'm sure there would be plenty of people whining about Maevaris existing and thus plenty of Schadenfreude to go around! I mean, the down side is it could be as bad as the 'how dare Anders hit on my male character without my permission?!' furore combined with the reactions some people had to Siege of Dragonspear, but on the bright side: Mae!
But they think it's okay for their male hetero PC to hit on every female in the universe. Even in MMOs.
There's not enough gay characters on the games.
Oh look, it's that guy, who wants BW to limit LGBT content and to have an option to kill every single LGBT companion, constantly moving goalposts to justify straight characters never having an option to be killed, but raging about non-straight characters getting the same treatment. (also, Dorian helped me defeat Corypheus during the final fight, so I don't know, what you're talking about)
You're not achieving anything with your posts - BW will continue to add LGBT characters, some of them in important roles, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. You can either accept that there will be LGBT characters that do more than just wait for you to kill them, or move to some other game series.
Part of me is sad that I won't get to see how annoyed you will be, when DA4 comes out, and Mae will be one of the advisors or companions. I'd get so much Schadenfreude.
No matter what he would be, and i am sure ther we would have a gay/bisexual character, i hope that he will not be forced companion/advisor like Cullen and Dorian, will not have not only good but have a some bad endings(even if he will not have death endings like someones, at least something like drunk alistair) too as others, and not ignore our game decidions, especially if they was connected with him
Not every character has a bad ending: Morrigan is an example of this as is Varric. This is likely to limit the variables that would have to be dealt with if they are expected to return for a future role. Dorian seems to be set up for a future role seeing as it is heavily hinted the next game will take place in the Tevinter Imperium and Dorian always leaves for the Tevinter Imperium.
Dorian was not care about everything what we can done in Inquisition and no matter what, when we can not have him in Inquisition or banish him, or make him break relations with his father, and not find his family medalion...he is no matter what still become a altus magister and member of the Senat, and for actually doing nothing, this was make some sense if he was a member of Inquisition and really fight with Coryfeus
Dorian does care about what the Inquisition does: he outright says in his personal quest that he joined the organization because he thought it was the right thing to do so. He even wants to stay to aid the Inquisition even if he has no fond feelings of the Inquisitor. The reason he can decide to leave is if the Inquisitor cannot maintain professionalism.
Speaking of which, Dorian can leave the Inquisition if his approval is low enough since it triggers a scene where the player can select an option that results in him leaving.
Personally, I think it is a good thing that the player cannot decide whether or not Dorian forgives his father because I don't think that should be the player's decision to make. The player through the player character can encourage Dorian to finish the talk or leave. Given that Dorian is about making choices for himself, this only make sense.
Seats in the Magisterium are inheritable. This is somewhat like saying that someone has not earned the right to be a prince or a king through merit: that is not how this specific system works. You are appointed a magister by someone else and inherit the position from them with the approval of the Magisterium.
So i think they should be equal and should have consequences of our decidions as have a bad endings not only good ones cos this not fair compare to all others and ruin roleplay when you cant really disagree and become enemies of such characters as deal with them, you can only agree and be their friends/lovers or when you totally disagree with them you can only just make them go away without any bad things...they are like Tallis
Zevran was a good example, as Fenris, as Bull
As I've mentioned above, Dorian can leave due to low approval and actions chosen by the player so he is an example of consequences: if the Inquisitor chooses a certain option, he permanently leaves the Inquisition. The player is not forced into a friendly or romantic relationship with him: they can disagree and outright resort to violence with him.
TL:DR: You are factually wrong on the primary point of your post as the player character is not forced into a specific relationship with Dorian as their relationship with him comes as a result of their actions and Dorian can leave the Inquisition including as a consequence of said actions.
Note: Sebastian is an additional example of a character who does not have a bad ending.
I don't think there's any point in trying to reason with Asdrubael Vect. This is not the first time he has went into an LGBT themed topic, and complained about the "protected status." I could just copy, what I've already written, because a few months later, he's still making the same flawed arguments. Straight characters, who cannot die apparently don't count, because they're godlike/important to the story/love interests, but the same doesn't apply to LGBT characters. How can you rant about Dorian, and him 'undeservedly' coming into power, when you have Sebastian, who doesn't have to achieve anything, yet becomes ruler of a state, simply because of his family status. Unlike Dorian, he never had a moment to prove his worthiness.
I like this thread, will be miss. Thanks, guys.
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