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[Battlebloodmage]

Prodigy is bi, he even used that term specifically. But yeah, everyone else is implied to be queer, although Kate doesn't seem to have realized it yet.

Yeah, I remember, it was just a typo, but I'm just too lazy to fix it.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I think Noh craves intimacy because he's so alone, and he uses sex sometimes to get that. Idk if you read Dark Avengers, but his relationship with Karla there is partially what gave me that vibe.

America is the best :3

Kid/teen Loki is always my favorite though, even though he's the ultimate shifty bisexual, lol. He's just fun!!

Oh, I haven't read anything with Noh outside of Young Avengers, so maybe it's just that I'm missing context.

[Sully13]

Going to admit i havent been keeping up whit comics seeing as in the uk we hace Colectors issues that are a year behind. and i aint spendind £10.00 for a comic.

[WildOrchid]

Wow, I didn't know all of this. Awesome.

[Semyaza82]

OK, very intrigued now. Can anyone recommend a good starting point for Young Avengers? I kind of hate of reading things out of sequence so the sheer volume of material with comics has always scarred me off. Feel free to PM if people don't want to go too far OT. 

 

Going to admit i havent been keeping up whit comics seeing as in the uk we hace Colectors issues that are a year behind. and i aint spendind £10.00 for a comic.

Hadn't realized that - price may be an issue as well!

[Battlebloodmage]

3 main series are
Young Avengers vol 1
Young Avengers Children's Crusade
Young Avengers vol 2

The series has a greater tie to the main series than most people would believe. If it wasn't for Children's Crusade, the entire world would have been destroyed by Cyclops.

There are other mini series, but they are all tie in and you have to read other series to understand it like with Civil War.

[Sully13]

Isn't Black Cat BI? i remember a throw away line about she said about ex girlfreinds wanting her to ware the costume in bed.

 

BTW are we waaay off topic?   

[AresKeith]

Isn't Black Cat BI? i remember a throw away line about she said about ex girlfreinds wanting her to ware the costume in bed.

 

BTW are we waaay off topic?   

 

Black Cat 

[Battlebloodmage]

John Constantine is bi as well, but people always forget this detail during adaptation.

[Sully13]

always liked that. If i was to go Hetro it'd be for him.. but seeing as he was based of Sting hw would probably be into that Tantric stuff. 

[veeia]

Comics have a way to go still, but they've come a long way. In addition to all these gay characters, there's an Avengers team that is all PoC/female, an all female xmen book, and quite a few female led books, including women of color like Ms Marvel(Kamala Khan) and Storm. Also, Sam Wilson is currently Captain America and the new Thor is a woman. and that's just Marvel, DC is doing some great stuff too.

Its a bit easier for comics to try diversity than it is games though, so the real test is not will they create those characters, but will they stick with them? Plenty of minority characters have been benched or killed off. Only time will tell!

[Battlebloodmage]

Young Avengers seems to be the first all LGBT team ever created that also have multi-racial cast as well. Comics have become more tolerant, but it's a lot less risk since they could just cancel it if it's not popular as opposed to a movie or TV show where they need an all white cast with 1-2 token characters since it costs more to produce.

[Sully13]

You ever feel like they could be pandering though.

to me it feels like they are trying to both Shock and pander to both groups. 

either way Death's Head is back im happy.

 

@Bbm

what about New Mutants they had karma she was a Lesbian that was in the 80s 

[eyezonlyii]

always liked that. If i was to go Hetro it'd be for him.. but seeing as he was based of Sting hw would probably be into that Tantric stuff. 

There was a scene of this between him and Zatanna in the first series of Justice League Dark. It was a pretty cool visual.

[veeia]

Yeah I think if they keep with the pattern of diversity + big announcement + quiet cancellation later + no real efforts to integrate or promote the characters, that's bad and essentially baiting us. I wouldn't call it pandering, I'd call it manipulating and using us for PR when they have no intent on following through.

But I do see some genuine effort, at least with Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel (she has ridiculously low sales and they are keeping her AND giving her a movie), Sam, and Luke.

[Semyaza82]

Gah, stupid time zones - nice discussions (with people who aren't asking for a gay toggle) always seem to happen as its getting late here. Goodnight lovely thread people. I leave you with eye candy: 

 

Spoiler

 

 

And not to forget the ladies:

 

Spoiler

 

(not as good I know - but actually quite hard to quickly find attractive female knight pictures that don't look like soft porn)

[Battlebloodmage]

You ever feel like they could be pandering though.
to me it feels like they are trying to both Shock and pander to both groups. 
either way Death's Head is back im happy.
 
@Bbm
what about New Mutants they had karma she was a Lesbian that was in the 80s

I'm talking about an ENTIRE team of LGBT which is what the Young Avengers are.

[eyezonlyii]

Gah, stupid time zones - nice discussions (with people who aren't asking for a gay toggle) always seem to happen as its getting late here. Goodnight lovely thread people. I leave you with eye candy: 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

I'll take number 2, Arthur, Lancelot, and 5 please.

[Sully13]

Nah not my type go find a Gengaaa.

 

@Veeia

Yep total agreement.

 

@Bbm

Sorry as i said im not up to speed in the MU.

colectors issues only cover so mutch.

[Battlebloodmage]

Gah, stupid time zones - nice discussions (with people who aren't asking for a gay toggle) always seem to happen as its getting late here. Goodnight lovely thread people. I leave you with eye candy: 
 

Spoiler

 
 
And not to forget the ladies:
 

Spoiler

 
(not as good I know - but actually quite hard to quickly find attractive female knight pictures that don't look like soft porn)

No need for an amen, I'll take a three men, holla.

[eyezonlyii]

But I do see some genuine effort, at least with Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel (she has ridiculously low sales and they are keeping her AND giving her a movie), Sam, and Luke.

That's because she's not the *original* female Captain Marvel

[veeia]

Preach. I adore Monica, and I'm glad she's got a major role in a book right now, but. :3333 Id love to see her have a major role in the movie, at least. We need more women of color in the movies!

[Battlebloodmage]

Preach. I adore Monica, and I'm glad she's got a major role in a book right now, but. :3333 Id love to see her have a major role in the movie, at least. We need more women of color in the movies!

Men and women of colored, especially Asian males. A lot of the adaptations were changed from Asians to white because Hollywood doesn't think Asian males are marketable.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Yeah I think if they keep with the pattern of diversity + big announcement + quiet cancellation later + no real efforts to integrate or promote the characters, that's bad and essentially baiting us. I wouldn't call it pandering, I'd call it manipulating and using us for PR when they have no intent on following through.

But I do see some genuine effort, at least with Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel (she has ridiculously low sales and they are keeping her AND giving her a movie), Sam, and Luke.

Well, in Captain Marvel's case it's because they've realized it's easier to use a movie to sell comics than it is to use comics to sell a movie. Almost no one outside of diehard comic fans knew about Guardians of the Galaxy before the movie was announced, yet it ended up outselling both Thor and both Captain America movies, despite the fact that those guys are supposed to have much more solid fanbases. That's made them more willing to greenlight more obscure movies because they know the MCU label is more important than previous comic sales.

 

Also, I think they feel a pressure to have one stand alone heroine to rely on. DC at least has Wonder Woman, but all of Marvel's female heroes tend to be secondary or team-centered. Black Widow is the epitome of that, and also proves to rule about movie presence eclipsing comic presence.

 

But anyway, I agree that comics tend to take advantage of the fact they can start and stop project quickly and cheaply in order to draw in people with an interested in inclusiveness, almost to the point of manipulation. That sort of strategy isn't possible for games.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Men and women of colored, especially Asian males. A lot of the adaptations were changed from Asians to white because Hollywood doesn't think Asian males are marketable.

Word. Asian representation in entertainment, particularly with men, is almost non-existent.