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#1126
Melca36

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Its funny because I never romanced Kaiden in any of my femshep plays for ME3 I didn't actually know there was a lot stuff used in both :)

Thats what youtube is for.  ;)  They actually basically recycled the majority of the content with femShep. 

 

They also altered/deleted some content for femShep/Kaidan to accomodate mShep/Kaidan so that they would fit. 



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I'm not sure!

 

All I have is the image and a concept of a human knight, but no backstory or anything like that at all. Not even a name.

 

Here's another sketch I did on the fly...

 

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Oh i'll draw my own Chick dont worry..

But om nowhere near as good as you mate.


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Oh god the helmet does look like Magneto.


I want a "THE HERALD WAS RIGHT" tshirt.

Carlo, those sketches are fabulous! What a great idea/addition to the thread. Wish I could draw. :)
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hmm Name.

i like the sound of Darius Affasta myself



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@Who Knows: Dragons and magic are just some of things that you would naturally associate with a fantasy universe (which Dragon Age is), so therefore it's not surprising to see them included, thus it would be silly to complain about them being unrealistic (also, as they don't exist in the real world, we have nothing to compare them to) - if someone was to actually complain about dragons and/or magic being included in a fantasy universe because they're unrealistic, then they're stupid.

 

Having all four of the romance options in DA2 (the ones included in the game proper to begin with) be bisexual was most definitely pandering and quite unrealistic for my tastes (really, not even one straight character among them?). If it was like in the first game, where two of them were bisexual and the other two were straight, I could probably have believed that - but all four of them bisexual? Yeah, I'm calling BS on that.



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I don't see how its unrealistic. Maybe it doesn't reflect your experience, but it reflects mine. I'm bisexual, and a bunch of my friends are, as well as some straight and gay. Remember that Aveline, Varric, and Sebastian were all straight (or presented as such)

I do think that the nonexistent of gay companions---even if they weren't LI, is questionable, because it sort of reinforces heterosexuality as the default and bisexual as a game mechanic to compensate for that( as well as other issues), but I do fail to see how it was pandering.
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@Who Knows: Dragons and magic are just some of things that you would naturally associate with a fantasy universe (which Dragon Age is), so therefore it's not surprising to see them included, thus it would be silly to complain about them being unrealistic (also, as they don't exist in the real world, we have nothing to compare them to) - if someone was to actually complain about dragons and/or magic being included in a fantasy universe because they're unrealistic, then they're stupid.

 

Having all four of the romance options in DA2 (the ones included in the game proper to begin with) be bisexual was most definitely pandering and quite unrealistic for my tastes (really, not even one straight character among them?). If it was like in the first game, where two of them were bisexual and the other two were straight, I could probably have believed that - but all four of them bisexual? Yeah, I'm calling BS on that.

 

I'm calling BS on the fact that there can't be four bisexual companions without it being pandering.

 

Here's the quantitative data on love interest sexuality:

DA: O - 50% straight, 50% bisexual

DA 2 - 80% bisexual, 20% straight

DA: I - 50% straight, 25% bisexual, 25% gay

 

So, if you look at the data from a whole (all 17 love interests), you have - 47% bisexual, 41% straight, and 12% gay.  So, there's nothing saying that there should be more straight LI's than bisexual ones.  You are using Earth statistics on Thedosian sexuality.  Not applicable. 

 

That being said, a group of four people are hardly representational of the population at large.  No one expects them to be, so using that criteria is pointless.  It's not uncommon for four bisexual people on Earth to be in a group of friends.  Why would it be on Thedas, where there are clearly many bisexual people?

 

Finally, maybe the Bioware writers just wanted to tell the stories of four bisexual characters.  I love how it's pandering if there are four bisexual characters and the advice is "Bioware should just tell the stories that they want to tell."  But those same people refuse to entertain the idea that maybe those are those stories.   They just aren't the stories you want Bioware to want to tell.

 

And, of course, all of this being said, I don't see how it relates to the concept of a gay knight in shining armor character to begin with.


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   Don't know if some of the other people who've been posting in this thread feel the same as me, but some interesting things have popped up that we've sort of self censored with because we were wandering pretty far into off-topic land. So i thought creating a group where people can just chat more generally might be a good idea, and so: Kisa Kisa Bang Bang (couldn't resist that name once it came into my head)

 

Not intended to take the place of forum posts about actual feedback etc, more a place to waffle, continue a tangential point from a thread etc 

 

No clue if it actually a good idea or if anyone will use it, but hey, it now exists :P


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Joind.


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Joind.

Yay! :D



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Ok then.

back to our twins i need input people.



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If any one has read Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel's Legacy series there are a couple of twins who sort of fit the KISA idea, called Grainne and Eamonn. Can't remember if they were both bisexual in it or if it was just the sister.



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My guys are Gay and Lesbian.

Girl is 2 handed guy is sword and shield.



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I would so love to see a Lesbian character modeled after Cassandra in the next game. :wub:



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Id like to see a lesbian modeled affter Scarlet Johanson. but each to there own.



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I would so love to see a Lesbian character modeled after Cassandra in the next game. :wub:

I'd rather she was bi.



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Dont matter as long as she is a MO-FO BADASSS. BEEEEEOOOTCH.

i dont care if her shagable ass is Bi, Hetro or brick.



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I don't see how its unrealistic. Maybe it doesn't reflect your experience, but it reflects mine. I'm bisexual, and a bunch of my friends are, as well as some straight and gay. Remember that Aveline, Varric, and Sebastian were all straight (or presented as such)

I do think that the nonexistent of gay companions---even if they weren't LI, is questionable, because it sort of reinforces heterosexuality as the default and bisexual as a game mechanic to compensate for that( as well as other issues), but I do fail to see how it was pandering.

 

If anything, what is not realistic is one or two token gay people hanging out with a bunch of straight people.  That doesn't often happen in real life.  LGBT folks have internal homing devices that allow them to find each other (probably because we make an effort to find people who will accept us, and in doing so accidentally find each other more often than not).  The majority of my friend group is lesbian or bisexual, and most of them came out to me after we'd been friends for a long time.  


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If anything, what is not realistic is one or two token gay people hanging out with a bunch of straight people.  That doesn't often happen in real life.  LGBT folks have internal homing devices that allow them to find each other (probably because we make an effort to find people who will accept us, and in doing so accidentally find each other more often than not).  The majority of my friend group is lesbian or bisexual, and most of them came out to me after we'd been friends for a long time.  

I've found this to be true as well. My wedding had more lesbian couples attend than straight couples (and the majority of the straight couples were family.) My cousin, who is a lesbian, called me a week after the wedding to tell me she had an amazing time, and that it was the first time she's ever actually felt comfortable being herself in a public setting. Which was pretty amazing.


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#1145
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SHH!!

 

Don't expose our hive-mind superpowers! They'll be onto us if we're not careful!

 

...So. What's this about more ideas for knights?



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If anything, what is not realistic is one or two token gay people hanging out with a bunch of straight people.  That doesn't often happen in real life.  LGBT folks have internal homing devices that allow them to find each other (probably because we make an effort to find people who will accept us, and in doing so accidentally find each other more often than not).  The majority of my friend group is lesbian or bisexual, and most of them came out to me after we'd been friends for a long time.  

 

IOU one "like".



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If anything, what is not realistic is one or two token gay people hanging out with a bunch of straight people.  That doesn't often happen in real life.  LGBT folks have internal homing devices that allow them to find each other (probably because we make an effort to find people who will accept us, and in doing so accidentally find each other more often than not).  The majority of my friend group is lesbian or bisexual, and most of them came out to me after we'd been friends for a long time.  

I would have to respectfully disagree on this one, as my gay seekers have broken. Unless someone is literally throwing rainbows and glitter in my face, I have no idea whether someone else is gay or not, usually anyway. 


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I would have to respectfully disagree on this one, as my gay seekers have broken. Unless someone is literally throwing rainbows and glitter in my face, I have no idea whether someone else is gay or not, usually anyway. 

 

I think the idea is that people tend to gravitate towards people who share their perspective on things, evensubconsciously. So while not all my friends are gay (haha, remember that kids book, all my friends are dead? ALL MY FRIENDS ARE GAY. the happy version of that book :lol), a lot of them are or are very accepting (in actions and in words not just words) or have experienced some form of marginalization.  In the same way, I have ADHD and a ton of my good friends do too (or are otherwise neuroatypical)...and that's not something we knew about eachother at first, we just clicked. I like to be challenged and meet new people and get new experiences, but at the end of the day, it's important to me to have friends that I don't have to explain things to...they just get it. 

 

But yes, it doesn't apply to everyone so it may very well not be the case with you. :)  Lady N, I think, was just pointing out that for a lot of us, it's actually the opposite: a storyline where we're the only non-straight person seems ridiculous, because we're surrounded by people who aren't straight--and that's not an accident. 



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Okay, I"m trying to come up with another female KISA. I can't art, but here have a picture of Ruth Negga, because she's basically a goddess, and short enough to be a stand-in for a dwarf in this post. :lol:

 

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I really loved Sigrun, and I'd love a f/f dwarven LI that was similiar to her....only without the atonement angst and a warrior spec (which she basically was haha). She was cheerful, devoted to being good, dedicated to an order, and a badass. Thinking of her as a Kisa... I could even accept that she had a dodgy past given how noble she was in the story, but was put off by how much the narrative wanted to punish her for that. 

 

Sooo....I'd go with a female dwarven warrior from Kal-Sharok (so we can learn more about them, plus she wouldn't be tied into the caste system), who hasn't had much contact with the outside world and thus has some adorable confusion & insecurity about her place, but is cheerful and has strong, line in the sand convictions and would sweep my dwarven rogue off her feet. :wub:  And looks like Ruth Negga. 


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I really loved Sigrun, and I'd love a f/f dwarven LI that was similiar to her....only without the atonement angst and a warrior spec (which she basically was haha). She was cheerful, devoted to being good, dedicated to an order, and a badass. Thinking of her as a Kisa... I could even accept that she had a dodgy past given how noble she was in the story, but was put off by how much the narrative wanted to punish her for that. 

I didn't see the narrative trying to punish her. I saw her punishing herself. Quite successfully. Her and her former friend. (Though the former friend seems to relent, even if I see no evidence that she repents.)