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#1176
Grieving Natashina

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I have heard it as a different sexuality but again only in ( what I perceive to be) biphobic contexts.

I am sure there are ways to define it outside of that, though. I don't mean people actually do that---I just don't know, so I don't want to preclude the possibility since sexuality is so complex and personal. :)

Hey, I'm right there with you.  <hugs> :)


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I'd actually like to hear that, because I'm not sure, and every definition I've seen of it has been defining it in contrast to pansexuality in a context where bisexuality is "bad" and pansexuality is the "non transphobic version of bisexual" while omni is "gender blind." I can't imagine that's the only way it's framed though.

Those people sound like the worst kind of queer. I hate that level of presumption and it also contradicts the inclusiveness goal since it reinforces that transmen and transwomen don't actually count as men and women. Also, policing what people are or aren't attracted to, as long as it isn't phrased in an antagonistic and demeaning "no fats, no femmes, no blacks, no asians" sort of way, is a crappy thing to do.



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If we're getting more letters... I'm staking my claim to the X B)  just sayin'...



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Those people sound like the worst kind of queer. I hate that level of presumption and it also contradicts the inclusiveness goal since it reinforces that transmen and transwomen don't actually count as men and women. Also, policing what people are or aren't attracted to, as long as it isn't phrased in an antagonistic and demeaning "no fats, no femmes, no blacks, no asians" sort of way, is a crappy thing to do.

I've tend to default to "queer" as an umbrella term that encompasses all sexual and gender identities that aren't heterosexual and cisgendered. However, that said, I know there are people who find this offensive, so I'll simply use QUILTBAG as my other umbrella word. It's real hazy and I wish there was a universally agreed upon word that would encompass all marginalised sexual orientations and gender identities.

 

Anyway, we're going way off topic here.



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I've tend to default to "queer" as an umbrella term that encompasses all sexual and gender identities that aren't heterosexual and cisgendered. However, that said, I know there are people who find this offensive, so I'll simply use QUILTBAG as my other umbrella word. It's real hazy and I wish there was a universally agreed upon word that would encompass all marginalised sexual orientations and gender identities.

 

Anyway, we're going way off topic here.

'People'? 


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How do people feel about asexual romance? I wouldn't mind if they're extra options or one of the straight romances simply because LGBT only have 1-2 romance, and I would prefer for them to be a sexual one. I can't imagine myself being with an asexual person nor can my character.

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I think an asexual romance would be rad. There are a billion romances in DA:I, I'm fine with one of them being romantic and not sexual. I would play it!

I wouldn't want it to be a s/s option though. Maybe biromantic? That would be an awesome ace story I think!

Bonus points if they ARENT the KISA.
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Wasn't the asexual romance Sebastian in DA2? But that's more of a voluntary celibacy than asexuality now that I think about it.

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I think an asexual romance would be rad. There are a billion romances in DA:I, I'm fine with one of them being romantic and not sexual. I would play it!
I wouldn't want it to be a s/s option though. Maybe biromantic? That would be an awesome ace story I think!
Bonus points if they ARENT the KISA.

I don't mind an asexual option for s/s, but gay options are often significantly less than others. If it's bi, then it would be ok, I guess, as long as we have 2 sexual one for gay. That's my stand on transgender romance as well. Bioware stated that gay content will never be as many as the straight ones, "Putting the cart before the horse", so I feel like there are more rooms to experiment or try out new romance with the straight ones since there are more of them on average. I guess if they make the bonus romance with Cullen or Solas some other types of romance then I wouldn't have been as disappointed as it would be something new and different.

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Wasn't the asexual romance Sebastian in DA2? But that's more of a voluntary celibacy than asexuality now that I think about it.

Sebastian is not asexual. His celibacy is more about Bioware's lack of time and answer to bisexual issue people have. It only perpetuate the unfortunate trope of only KISA and Prince Charming can only be straight.
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'People'? 

Aye, if only it were that simple.



#1187
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Aye, if only it were that simple.

Are we people or are we dancers?

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Yeah, I think Sebastian is a romance that is probably more palatable to some asexual players, but he's definitely not (canonically, headcanons are great and all, but canonically) ace. 

 

A relationship with a trans character, imo, is totally seperate from sexuality concerns for me, and I'm not comfortable with the idea of "you guys take him/her, we have less options, we want the cis one"...but that's a whole nother can of worms.

 

I would love a KISA trans LI though. Either gender. That'd be fabulous. 


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carlo angelo

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Are we people or are we dancers?

Singers. What's your fach? Quickly now.

 

But in all seriousness, I'm talking about being able to refer to a group of people who don't identify as straight and or cisgender whenever you're talking about issues that pertain to them as a marginalised group in today's society while not causing offence. /takes a deep breath



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Yeah, I think Sebastian is a romance that is probably more palatable to some asexual players, but he's definitely not (canonically, headcanons are great and all, but canonically) ace. 
 
A relationship with a trans character, imo, is totally seperate from sexuality concerns for me, and I'm not comfortable with the idea of "you guys take him/her, we have less options, we want the cis one"...but that's a whole nother can of worms.
 
I would love a KISA trans LI though. Either gender. That'd be fabulous.

More of the idea of niche. Since gay romance is already a niche, so if it's a niche within a niche as opposed to a niche within a broader spectrum which will have more audience.

Trans characters would be very controversial if they did make one a LI, especially if it's one of the options for straight males in which they will complain about the gay agenda and being shortchanged, even if it's a bonus option. I don't think Bioware will try that, but they could probably add someone like Maevaris as a companion, even if she's not romanceable .
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#1191
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They are already complaining about the gay agenda. They will continue to do so as long as non-straight characters exist in the games.

I don't see any problem with trans love interests.


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#1192
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They're the main consumers. That's why Bioware stated that they won't ever give gay characters the most options, so I have no stake in straight males or females complaining in each game about how few options they have compared to the others while knowing that I will always have the least.
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Can we talk about knights again? I want to start building a roundtable with some characters...

Maybe a bit of roleplay here like in the other support threads?
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#1194
carlo angelo

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I'd like to see what anyone else would like to see in this kind of character for a same sex love interest.

Or probably do a collaborative effort and putting together ideas for a couple of options. I'm down for sketching them out.

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'People'? 

 

This. So much this.  Nobody gets to box me up and attatch a label on me based on something as unimportant as my sexual orientation. It's teeny, tiny bit of who i am and nothing more.

Sorry, pet peeve. If i need to diffrentiate between the two, i just call non-hetero, non cis folk the rainbow coalition :P

 

Aaand back to KISA's. Maybe this would be helpful to the artists among us as inspiration for a lady:

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It's times like this when I start to lose faith in labels and want to just call everything "the Spectrum."

 

When I hear that, I generally think of the autism spectrum, though.



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Iam trisexual.. we all know that joke.

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How do people feel about asexual romance? I wouldn't mind if they're extra options or one of the straight romances simply because LGBT only have 1-2 romance, and I would prefer for them to be a sexual one. I can't imagine myself being with an asexual person nor can my character.

 

I think it's a thorny romance to implement. Depending on the person's views on sex - and not all asexuals have the same view, in terms of their interest in participating - it can create problems for a relationship, and I think any real portrayal of an asexual romance is going to have to account for that reality. The issue is, then, finding a way to allow for the PC to properly explore this pretty real emotional/physical issue without basically reducing it to berating your partner for not wanting sex. 

 

Trans characters would be very controversial if they did make one a LI, especially if it's one of the options for straight males in which they will complain about the gay agenda and being shortchanged, even if it's a bonus option. I don't think Bioware will try that, but they could probably add someone like Maevaris as a companion, even if she's not romanceable .

That's the least of it. I think the forum would explode in such a furor of transphobia that any possible benefit from representation will be lost in the frothing-at-the-mouth lunacy we'd see. It would be horrible. But perhaps I have too pessimistic a view of people. Still, I think in particular a straight trans female LI would be something video game culture is absolutely not capable of handling without sheer insanity at this point in time. 



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Grieving Natashina

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@Su Lu Pi Okay, that's a cute rogue you've got there.   :D



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On trans romance/character:

 

That's the least of it. I think the forum would explode in such a furor of transphobia that any possible benefit from representation will be lost in the frothing-at-the-mouth lunacy we'd see. It would be horrible. But perhaps I have too pessimistic a view of people. Still, I think in particular a straight trans female LI would be something video game culture is absolutely not capable of handling without sheer insanity at this point in time. 

I'd love to be able to say I think you're wrong on this but you're probably right.