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[daveliam]

And I think it's important to remember that it's not like it can never be a "mage" or "elf" or "rogue" - even those types can be made to be different.

A mage who is a little bit broader - taller - and perhaps dresses even a bit plainly. Is both bookish and athletic - occasionally clears a dorm room for some sporting game with mages and Templars - maybe even has a Templar he likes to spar with (and, of course, had a relationship with BUT the Templar was tragically killed when a Harrowing went horribly wrong - hey, gotta make room for me right?)

An elf who perhaps a little more reserved - is a City Elf who doesn't mind pitching in and getting dirty (and what city elf doesn't get dirty) - and is genuinely a "glass half full" fellow looking to uplift his people by being uplifting and not constantly trying to call to violent, hate or anger.

A rogue - let's go dwarf (variety is supposed to be good) - maybe from the Noble family who prefers to spend his days out in the Deep Roads leading his warriors fighting Darkspawn than he does indulging in politicking. When he returns - he is the beloved son who is savvy to the ways of his ambitious brothers - but manages only so far as to undermine them.

I dunno - something similar to these maybe would make even overly familiar tropes fresh again.

I'll take one of each in every color

[Jycarin]

Oh, I agree so hard with the OP!  

 

I loved Leliana and Merrill's romance, but I was hoping really really hard for Cassandra to be romancable by females in DA:I.  She has the gallant knight thing in spades, especially after watching Dawn of the Seeker (movie's flaws aside, it does show her as a very powerful, strong, principaled person).  Her DA:I look has more of the classic "knight" look than her movie appearance but that honestly didn't matter to me, it was her personality that I was crushing hard after  .

 

Even though I plan to play my Inquisitor as a white knight character herself, it would still have been nice to be partnered up with another lady white knight character trope  .

 

If we get a s/s white knight romance in the next DA game I will be over the moon with joy  .

[sandalisthemaker]

And I think it's important to remember that it's not like it can never be a "mage" or "elf" or "rogue" - even those types can be made to be different.

 

A mage who is a little bit broader - taller - and perhaps dresses even a bit plainly.  Is both bookish and athletic - occasionally clears a dorm room for some sporting game with mages and Templars - maybe even has a Templar he likes to spar with (and, of course, had a relationship with BUT the Templar was tragically killed when a Harrowing went horribly wrong - hey, gotta make room for me right?) 

 

An elf who perhaps a little more reserved - is a City Elf who doesn't mind pitching in and getting dirty (and what city elf doesn't get dirty) - and is genuinely a "glass half full" fellow looking to uplift his people by being uplifting and not constantly trying to call to violent, hate or anger.

 

A rogue - let's go dwarf (variety is supposed to be good) - maybe from the Noble family who prefers to spend his days out in the Deep Roads leading his warriors fighting Darkspawn than he does indulging in politicking.  When he returns - he is the beloved son who is savvy to the ways of his ambitious brothers - but manages only so far as to undermine them. 

 

I dunno - something similar to these maybe would make even overly familiar tropes fresh again.

 

I get what you are saying here in regards to the personality of the character. Someone who isn't over the top. Someone who is a bit understated in terms of style or the way they conduct themselves with other people. Someone who isn't flashy.  

 

I'd like a gay character who is big and imposing and fierce on the battlefield, but who is also humble and sweet. Perhaps even shy in regards to their relationships with other companions and in romance with the PC.  

 

A dwarf would certainly go against the typical physical depiction of the gay man that is usually shown in the media.  Hairy, buff, and tough is not usually what people think of when they think of gay characters. 

[witchknights]

As a do-goody "lipstick bi" girl, I feel... actually kind of well represented in DA (Ruffles: Life goal, or wife goal?  ), but as an aspiring storyteller and amateur academic on media, it's difficult not to realize the impact diversity in characters has on consumers, and how little actually has been done in that regard in the industry. It's kind of a bummer when the representation we get is repetitive.

 

I'm not going to lie I still firmly believe Cas has a crush on F!Hawke, because i'm bitter. She'd be such an awesome LI ):

[chrislynn]

I'm glad I asked the question. Such good answers.

 

I know better what people consider a white knight hero, and I didn't think that way about Alistair, so it's nice to see different news. For me Alistair is a nice and a loyal guy who is also awkward, funny, refuses to take his responsabilies ( in my playthrough at least and unhardened )  a great friend, but not a great leader ( didn't want to be king, didn't want to lead the grey warden surving the battles and who is eager to follow ), and who can be also selfish at times ( Eamon and his family ) ( Loghain, his brother and the throne )  So that's why I was surprised about Alistair. But like I said, different perspectives is all good. =)

 

It is interesting to me to read this because I always considered Alistair a white knight for sure. And what you described here sounds suspiciously like the origins and mannerisms of a young King Arthur when he was known as Wart. I always felt that Alistair for all of his not wanting to be king (or perhaps because he didn't) was the best choice for the throne based on who he would potentially become.

 

As to the topic, I fully support this idea. I think it would be a wonderful take on the knight character. (On a similar note, I'm still holding out for the loner ranger type who isn't evil!)

[Ascendra]

I was choosing the names of Cassandra and one of my mage Inquisitor's adopted children already. )': Sadly, it's not meant to be.

Spoiler

 

WHAT IS, “HETEROSEXUALITY,” KADAN

IS IT A DISEASE

IS IT CURABLE

(source)

 

Sadly that nice hair on a beautiful lady Qunari was also not meant to be.  

I feel your pain, Cass was going to be my first ever same-sex romance. I love the woman so much already.

 

Let's hope we all get what we want in the next game.

[Hellion Rex]

And I think it's important to remember that it's not like it can never be a "mage" or "elf" or "rogue" - even those types can be made to be different.

 

A mage who is a little bit broader - taller - and perhaps dresses even a bit plainly.  Is both bookish and athletic - occasionally clears a dorm room for some sporting game with mages and Templars - maybe even has a Templar he likes to spar with (and, of course, had a relationship with BUT the Templar was tragically killed when a Harrowing went horribly wrong - hey, gotta make room for me right?) 

 

An elf who perhaps a little more reserved - is a City Elf who doesn't mind pitching in and getting dirty (and what city elf doesn't get dirty) - and is genuinely a "glass half full" fellow looking to uplift his people by being uplifting and not constantly trying to call to violent, hate or anger.

 

A rogue - let's go dwarf (variety is supposed to be good) - maybe from the Noble family who prefers to spend his days out in the Deep Roads leading his warriors fighting Darkspawn than he does indulging in politicking.  When he returns - he is the beloved son who is savvy to the ways of his ambitious brothers - but manages only so far as to undermine them. 

 

I dunno - something similar to these maybe would make even overly familiar tropes fresh again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I was choosing the names of Cassandra and one of my mage Inquisitor's adopted children already. )': Sadly, it's not meant to be.

Spoiler

 

WHAT IS, “HETEROSEXUALITY,” KADAN

IS IT A DISEASE

IS IT CURABLE

(source)

I don't really like the whole thinking heterosexuality is a disease that should be cured in this. The picture is nice though. 

[Chernaya]

+1000 for this wonderful topic.

 

I would love a lesbian or bisexual knight character as an LI, and what first comes to mind for me (although there are other good examples) is Brienne from GoT.

 

Spoiler

 

I find her beautiful, tbh. But personality is even more important. She wouldn't have to be 'masculine' with short hair or broad shoulders, ect. whatever people define that as. She's a warrior, loyal, strong, devoted to her cause, not fragile or meek, but at the same time very honest, kind and protective. It would be awesome for the white-knight role to be applied to a gay male or female for once and have them as a romance option. 

[daveliam]

I'm wondering if they've started development on DA 4 yet.  I'm just not really familiar enough with the timeline.  Do they start doing development this close to the release of the current game?  Or do they focus all of their efforts on the last minute push?  I would assume that they have at least begun the discussion, but I'm not sure how far it's progressed at this point.  I remember that Gaider made a post about Mae being developed too late to be included in DA: I and she was first introduced in a comic in 2012, just a year after DA 2 got released.  So that makes me think that, less than a year after the release of DA 2, the plot was so well established that he felt he couldn't work in Mae.  Wouldn't that suggest that they began development for DA: I either before or right after the release of DA 2?

 

I ask because that's around the timeline where we are right now.  So if they are planning to release a new DA game, which I hope they do, wouldn't the discussion of the major plot and characters be happening around now?  It seems like now is the right time to be asking for characters like this because it might actually be happening while there is time for them to respond appropriately if they agree with us. 

 

If we end up with a gay or lesbian 'knight in shining armor' character in DA 4, I hope that we have the option to twerk for them, in honor of sandal for making this thread at the right time!

[Hazegurl]

I wasn't thinking Robert's words as proof, but the thoughts of Ned Stark about his sister. Ned Stark is a man of Honor. He wouldn't think in such way if he wasn't sure. He discovered the bloody body of his sister ready to die. So he probably knew what happened by her words while Rhaegar was fleeing.

 

I also like flaws as well, so I agree. Just that someone raping a girl couldn't be a knight in shinning armor for me. 

 

edit : also actually, Robert never said that Rhaegar raped Lyanna, just that he stole her from him and killed her. 

I don't think any of his thoughts automatically led to "Rhaegar raped my sister" I remember him also thinking nothing but good thoughts about Rhaegar, who thinks good thoughts about their sister's rapist??

 

So yeah, unless GRRM tell us the whole story we have no idea what happened between Lyanna and Rhaegar after she was taken.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm wondering if they've started development on DA 4 yet.  I'm just not really familiar enough with the timeline.  Do they start doing development this close to the release of the current game?  Or do they focus all of their efforts on the last minute push?  I would assume that they have at least begun the discussion, but I'm not sure how far it's progressed at this point.  I remember that Gaider made a post about Mae being developed too late to be included in DA: I and she was first introduced in a comic in 2012, just a year after DA 2 got released.  So that makes me think that, less than a year after the release of DA 2, the plot was so well established that he felt he couldn't work in Mae.  Wouldn't that suggest that they began development for DA: I either before or right after the release of DA 2?

 

I ask because that's around the timeline where we are right now.  So if they are planning to release a new DA game, which I hope they do, wouldn't the discussion of the major plot and characters be happening around now?  It seems like now is the right time to be asking for characters like this because it might actually be happening while there is time for them to respond appropriately if they agree with us. 

 

If we end up with a gay or lesbian 'knight in shining armor' character in DA 4, I hope that we have the option to twerk for them, in honor of sandal for making this thread at the right time!

 

I'm not sure how video game development works, but I personally think that they are in the planning stages right now.  The writers are probably bouncing ideas off one another and tying things that happen in DA:I to what will take place in the next game.

 

I remember David Gaider calling DA:I "old news"  quite some time ago. This makes me think that the writers are cooking up ideas for the next game and have been for some time now.

 

Lmao. I have been pushing for a twerk animation also.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm wondering if they've started development on DA 4 yet.  I'm just not really familiar enough with the timeline.  Do they start doing development this close to the release of the current game?  Or do they focus all of their efforts on the last minute push?  I would assume that they have at least begun the discussion, but I'm not sure how far it's progressed at this point.  I remember that Gaider made a post about Mae being developed too late to be included in DA: I and she was first introduced in a comic in 2012, just a year after DA 2 got released.  So that makes me think that, less than a year after the release of DA 2, the plot was so well established that he felt he couldn't work in Mae.  Wouldn't that suggest that they began development for DA: I either before or right after the release of DA 2?

 

I ask because that's around the timeline where we are right now.  So if they are planning to release a new DA game, which I hope they do, wouldn't the discussion of the major plot and characters be happening around now?  It seems like now is the right time to be asking for characters like this because it might actually be happening while there is time for them to respond appropriately if they agree with us. 

 

If we end up with a gay or lesbian 'knight in shining armor' character in DA 4, I hope that we have the option to twerk for them, in honor of sandal for making this thread at the right time!

I should probably start making threads if so. 

[sandalisthemaker]

I should probably start making threads if so. 

 

You should.  Now would be the time.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You should.  Now would be the time.

I just have to figure out how to write one and keep it on track. The last time I made a thread, it did not end well. 

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

I ask because that's around the timeline where we are right now.  So if they are planning to release a new DA game, which I hope they do, wouldn't the discussion of the major plot and characters be happening around now?  It seems like now is the right time to be asking for characters like this because it might actually be happening while there is time for them to respond appropriately if they agree with us. 

 

As far as I can tell, the writers have never ever listened to the requests of forum dwellers when they designed characters. This ''gay shiny armour knight'' request isn't new either, and has been disregarded thus far. I wouldn't get my hopes up. If it happens, it's because they felt like it, not to fulfill a fan request.

[daveliam]

I should probably start making threads if so. 

You should.  Now would be the time.

 

That's what I was thinking earlier as I was reading this thread.  The fact that Patrick retweeted it made me happy, but that was about all I thought at first.  Now I'm thinking that there's actually a possibility that it might happen.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Patrick's retweet means that he's decided to write this character.  What I mean is that, obviously, these writers are willing to listen to and interact with fans.  Who knows?  Maybe one of the writers has been picking up on what we've been saying and seeing at thread like this, filled with reasonable and passionate requests, might make him/her think, "What the hell?  I could get into that story.  Maybe I'll give it a shot!"

 

Of course, that's totally just me being the eternal optimist, but I really like that this thread was started and that it's been pretty well received.  I think there's an interesting story to tell here and hopefully one of the writers will be into it enough to write it. 

[sandalisthemaker]

As far as I can tell, the writers have never ever listened to the requests of forum dwellers when they designed characters. This ''gay shiny armour knight'' request isn't new either, and has been disregarded thus far. I wouldn't get my hopes up. If it happens, it's because they felt like it, not to fulfill a fan request.

 

Of course they don't have to comply. They do what they want, but that's not going to stop me from trying and making the suggestion.

[Xilizhra]

Why is it important for this LI to be a noble?

[daveliam]

Why is it important for this LI to be a noble?

 

Noble (adj), not A Noble (nobility; upper class citizen)

[sandalisthemaker]

Why is it important for this LI to be a noble?

 They don't have to be of noble birth, although I wouldn't mind if they were.  I'd like them to be of noble character, though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 They don't have to be of noble birth, although I wouldn't mind if they were.  I'd like them to be of noble character, though.

Dorian is of noble birth. 

[Hellion Rex]

I'm wondering if they've started development on DA 4 yet.  I'm just not really familiar enough with the timeline.  Do they start doing development this close to the release of the current game?  Or do they focus all of their efforts on the last minute push?  I would assume that they have at least begun the discussion, but I'm not sure how far it's progressed at this point.  I remember that Gaider made a post about Mae being developed too late to be included in DA: I and she was first introduced in a comic in 2012, just a year after DA 2 got released.  So that makes me think that, less than a year after the release of DA 2, the plot was so well established that he felt he couldn't work in Mae.  Wouldn't that suggest that they began development for DA: I either before or right after the release of DA 2?

 

I ask because that's around the timeline where we are right now.  So if they are planning to release a new DA game, which I hope they do, wouldn't the discussion of the major plot and characters be happening around now?  It seems like now is the right time to be asking for characters like this because it might actually be happening while there is time for them to respond appropriately if they agree with us. 

 

If we end up with a gay or lesbian 'knight in shining armor' character in DA 4, I hope that we have the option to twerk for them, in honor of sandal for making this thread at the right time!

I believe that at the present moment, while DA4 ideas are definitely in the works, Mass Effect 4 is Bioware's main focus after DAI. I do not foresee ME4 coming out till probably 2016 at the earliest. Then after that, maybe another 2-3 years before DA4 comes out. So we will have a bit to wait.

[sandalisthemaker]

Dorian is of noble birth. 

 

Sure, but he doesn't quite fit the archetype.  And ideally this character would be a warrior.

 

I am glad to have Dorian, though. He seems great.

[daveliam]

I believe that at the present moment, while DA4 ideas are definitely in the works, Mass Effect 4 is Bioware's main focus after DAI. I do not foresee ME4 coming out till probably 2016 at the earliest. Then after that, maybe another 2-3 years before DA4 comes out. So we will have a bit to wait.

 

Yeah, I'm imagining that it will be about 2017-2018 when that one shows up.  But the DA team would need to be working on the story development (including characters) towards the earlier end of it, right?