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[Iadro]

I do support the gay KISA character type... though I definitely wouldn't have had a problem with the gay/bi 'bad boys' if they had been less 'Zevran.' I mean the idea is interesting - a paid killer unaffiliated/uncaring of political/mage/templar drama, willing to advocate the pragmatic choices...

[In Exile]

Pretty sure they have to be equal partners, the way I read conscription was you in fact disband the order, therefore, ser Barris cannot lead the "Templars" as they no longer exist.

I figured they were "your" templars, as in a military subunit of the Inquisition army. He can lead that. Under Cullen. Ahem.

[stop_him]

If I recall correctly, it's the same swagger that he uses when he walks off in your first cinematic conversation with him in Haven.  The one after you have your first flirt and he glances at you as he swaggers away and says, "As I was saying....." (or something like that).  It's cute and it makes so much more sense now knowing that he was intended to be bisexual.  I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out why he'd flirt with my Inquisitor like that right after he (Inquisitor) flirted with him if he (Cullen) weren't interested. 

Does he? I think he does that with any character/race, even if you don't flirt with him, and choose the "I don't have time for your blathering" option. I'll have to reload my qunari.

 

But either way, even playing as a female elf, I took that scene more literally, like "I have work to do now." I didn't perceive any actual flirting until the Chess Game scene, and when you ask if he's with anyone at Haven. Different people will see things differently, I suppose.

[eyezonlyii]

I do support the gay KISA character type... though I definitely wouldn't have had a problem with the gay/bi 'bad boys' if they had been less 'Zevran.' I mean the idea is interesting - a paid killer unaffiliated/uncaring of political/mage/templar drama, willing to advocate the pragmatic choices...

Definitely this. Less Zevran more Riddick, thank you.
*gasp*
A Dark KISA? *swoons* I'd polish his sword all day

[Fisva]

I think that Bioware should make everyone BI, then nobody would complain. There would be a wide range of LIs, and everyone could pick whomever they want. There would be an equal choice for everyone.

But I can see that Bioware makes some rules here, for example Templars not being gays, as it (usually) is with priests in Christian church, devoted to God and following the order given by the Bible.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think that Bioware should make everyone BI, then nobody would complain.

 

Four out of the five love interests in DA2 were bisexual, and it certainly didn't stop people complaining. (I was fine with it myself, but I prefer the system in DAI.)

 

But I can see that Bioware makes some rules here, for example Templars not being gays, as it (usually) is with priests in Christian church, devoted to God and following the order given by the Bible.

 

The Chantry doesn't have the same issue with homosexuality as the Christian church traditionally does. In fact, they don't seem very interested in policing sexuality at all - too busy worrying about actual problems like blood magic and demons.

[Fisva]

Four out of the five love interests in DA2 were bisexual, and it certainly didn't stop people complaining. (I was fine with it myself, but I prefer the system in DAI.)

 

 

 

 

The Chantry doesn't have the same issue with homosexuality as the Christian church traditionally does. In fact, they don't seem very interested in policing sexuality at all - too busy worrying about actual problems like blood magic and demons.

It looks like people will always complain. I've said it before, it is a RPG, so let some characters be as they are written. Their sexuality has been developed in a writers' mind and created like this. This is who they are, like in real life. But, well, due to many complaints, I think it would be better in case of game mechanics, that every LI was bisexual.

And what I meant by Christian church is not a homosexuality issue, but rather a reference, a connection between these two religions. One reflects the other in matter of believing in how things should be: that priests or nuns are not supposed to be homosexual. Uh, that's hard to explain, but I hope you get my point

[eyezonlyii]

It looks like people will always complain. I've said it before, it is a RPG, so let some characters be as they are written. Their sexuality has been developed in a writers' mind and created like this. This is who they are, like in real life. But, well, due to many complaints, I think it would be better in case of game mechanics, that every LI was bisexual.

And what I meant by Christian church is not a homosexuality issue, but rather a reference, a connection between these two religions. One reflects the other in matter of believing in how things should be: that priests or nuns are not supposed to be homosexual. Uh, that's hard to explain, but I hope you get my point

I disagree with the "game mechanics" part of your post. The reason being that to me, a bisexual romance shouldn't just be a copy/paste pronoun situation, but that's what they tend to be and I don't really know how one would make the distinction between that and the dreaded playersexual  um...bisexual portrayals in Dragon Age 2. Plus I love the fact that there are actuall gay (can we get a cool word too?) men and lesbians in the game. I always bring up Steve Cortez from Mass Effect, but he was the first fully fleshed out gay romance option I had in a game, not bisexual, not, playersexual, but an actual gay man. And it was a relief.

[Fisva]

I disagree with the "game mechanics" part of your post. The reason being that to me, a bisexual romance shouldn't just be a copy/paste pronoun situation, but that's what they tend to be and I don't really know how one would make the distinction between that and the dreaded playersexual  um...bisexual portrayals in Dragon Age 2. Plus I love the fact that there are actuall gay (can we get a cool word too?) men and lesbians in the game. I always bring up Steve Cortez from Mass Effect, but he was the first fully fleshed out gay romance option I had in a game, not bisexual, not, playersexual, but an actual gay man. And it was a relief.

Yes, I agree. Though, as you can see, there are plenty of posts about straight characters, and plenty of posts about homosexual/bisexual characters. People want them both. Some people are upset about Dorian not being able to be romanced by females, some people cry about Cullen not being able to be romanced by males. Then, on the other hand, if Bioware makes everyone bi, it is still a bad idea for some people. I guess there is no solution then, because every person has different preferences. That's why I say - leave characters as they are and do not influence writers, because the unnecessary pressure is never good for the entire game.

[daveliam]

Yes, I agree. Though, as you can see, there are plenty of posts about straight characters, and plenty of posts about homosexual/bisexual characters. People want them both. Some people are upset about Dorian not being able to be romanced by females, some people cry about Cullen not being able to be romanced by males. Then, on the other hand, if Bioware makes everyone bi, it is still a bad idea for some people. I guess there is no solution then, because every person has different preferences. That's why I say - leave characters as they are and do not influence writers, because the unnecessary pressure is never good for the entire game.

 

Yeah, I'm on the same page with this too.  When DA 2 came out, I loved the mechanic of 'everyone bi*' (*except for Sebastian), because it was the first time that I actually got two choices in a Bioware game.  Prior to that (prior to 2009), I'd never gotten two options before.  I always had either one or (more often) zero options.  So I loved the fact that Anders and Fenris were both bisexual (never mind the fact that I didn't actually like either of them; I was over the moon thrilled to just be getting a choice between my mediocre options that I didn't care about quality).

 

Now that they have put out three single player games in a row (SWTOR is a whole different beast) where I've gotten two choices, I have to say that I greatly prefer the variety of sexualities approach in ME 3 and DA: I.  Yeah, it backfires on a me a bit (damn you Cullen, with your sexy, almost bisexuality!), but I can't begin to express how much it means to me that there are actual gay men represented in the games now.  I will be happy to lose out on sexy straight guys (like Alistair, Cullen, and Blackwall) if it means that we get to meet awesome gay guys too (like Steve and Dorian).

 

But that's all a bit off topic.  For the 'gay KISA' purposes, I'd be happy with either a bisexual or gay guy.  I'd also be happy for the gals in the thread if the first gay KISA in the series was a lady too (although I'd be disappointed for myself and the other guys too). 

[eyezonlyii]

But that's all a bit off topic.  For the 'gay KISA' purposes, I'd be happy with either a bisexual or gay guy.  I'd also be happy for the gals in the thread if the first gay KISA in the series was a lady too (although I'd be disappointed for myself and the other guys too). 

 

I would say though, for the purposes of true trope subversion that he be fully gay. Because to me at least a bisexual KISA still implies that a man cannot be *fully gay and fully in a masculine role. That there has to be some sort of heterosexuality somewhere deep down (just saying how people might see it). I am well aware that this is my own bias and am cognizant of the negative implications about bisexual men, and really do not want to participate in the erasure or negative criticism of a sexuality, but that is how I personally see it. 

 

*stands on soapbox* When was the last time you saw a GAY male in a front and center starring action role? I can't think of one. And by action I mean a warrior/soldier archetype, not even purely a KISA. As much as I love Steve, as many people have said, he wasn't a front line soldier and honestly, having Vega as the gay option would have been pretty cool too, just to show that yes gay men can be bromantic warriors. 

 

And I'm also aware that I may be projecting not only my fantasies, but insecurities onto characters and plots that I want to see, and I'm ok with that because you guys are awesome, and putting myself out there (well as "out" as you can be on the internet) in this thread has been a good experience so far. 

 

I'm going to get back to Mariska Hargitay now. She and the rest of the SVU squad are getting me through this long process of finding a job.

[daveliam]

I would say though, for the purposes of true trope subversion that he be fully gay. Because to me at least a bisexual KISA still implies that a man cannot be *fully gay and fully in a masculine role. That there has to be some sort of heterosexuality somewhere deep down (just saying how people might see it). I am well aware that this is my own bias and am cognizant of the negative implications about bisexual men, and really do not want to participate in the erasure or negative criticism of a sexuality, but that is how I personally see it. 

 

*stands on soapbox* When was the last time you saw a GAY male in a front and center starring action role? I can't think of one. And by action I mean a warrior/soldier archetype, not even purely a KISA. As much as I love Steve, as many people have said, he wasn't a front line soldier and honestly, having Vega as the gay option would have been pretty cool too, just to show that yes gay men can be bromantic warriors. 

 

And I'm also aware that I may be projecting not only my fantasies, but insecurities onto characters and plots that I want to see, and I'm ok with that because you guys are awesome, and putting myself out there (well as "out" as you can be on the internet) in this thread has been a good experience so far. 

 

I'm going to get back to Mariska Hargitay now. She and the rest of the SVU squad are getting me through this long process of finding a job.

 

You know I almost wrote something very similar to this and then I forgot and decided not to add it in later as an ETA comment.  I would prefer if they went with a gay KISA over a bisexual KISA for the reasons that you mentioned. 

 

The other reason is because, if he were bisexual, I have a feeling that because he's a KISA, he'd be viewed as a straight character who just had the m/m romance added in to appease us in this thread.  The fact that the gay KISA thread has been mentioned in several other threads means that it's becoming well known.  If it gets added in now, regardless of how the character is rolled out, it's likely going to get some "this is total fanservice" blowback (like the fact that Cullen is a romance).  I have a feeling that if he is bisexual, people are just going to say that he's a straight character that they added in gay scenes just to give us a 'gay KISA' that we asked for.  We'll probably get that either way, but I have a feeling that it's going to be more of a sticking point for people if he's bisexual.

 

Also?  Det. Olivia Benson is a goddess!  She's the person that I think of everytime people complain about how "ugly" and "mannish" Cassandra is because I think she looks like Mariska, who's gorgeous.

[eyezonlyii]

You know I almost wrote something very similar to this and then I forgot and decided not to add it in later as an ETA comment.  I would prefer if they went with a gay KISA over a bisexual KISA for the reasons that you mentioned. 

 

The other reason is because, if he were bisexual, I have a feeling that because he's a KISA, he'd be viewed as a straight character who just had the m/m romance added in to appease us in this thread.  The fact that the gay KISA thread has been mentioned in several other threads means that it's becoming well known.  If it gets added in now, regardless of how the character is rolled out, it's likely going to get some "this is total fanservice" blowback (like the fact that Cullen is a romance).  I have a feeling that if he is bisexual, people are just going to say that he's a straight character that they added in gay scenes just to give us a 'gay KISA' that we asked for.  We'll probably get that either way, but I have a feeling that it's going to be more of a sticking point for people if he's bisexual.

 

Also?  Det. Olivia Benson is a goddess!  She's the person that I think of everytime people complain about how "ugly" and "mannish" Cassandra is because I think she looks like Mariska, who's gorgeous.

That is what I was trying to say, but couldn't quite get my brain to wrap around the words. And I'm so thankful I'm not the only one who loves and sees the Cassandra/Olivia appeal.

 

[sandalisthemaker]

Those are some interesting points.

 

Ultimately, I would be fine with a KISA who is either gay or bisexual.  Although personally, from the standpoint of representation, a gay KISA would be damn awesome.

[In Exile]

I just want to say that I'm not sure Cassandra is a good template for a KISA of either gender. Not in how she is as a character outside the romance - she's literally just a paladin. But in the romance, I kind of don't see it. I think a KISA needs to be a protector. Romantically, I mean. I think it's part of the allure. I think the Cass romance is missing that.

[eyezonlyii]

I just want to say that I'm not sure Cassandra is a good template for a KISA of either gender. Not in how she is as a character outside the romance - she's literally just a paladin. But in the romance, I kind of don't see it. I think a KISA needs to be a protector. Romantically, I mean. I think it's part of the allure. I think the Cass romance is missing that.

 

I would have to disagree. I don't think a KISA really has to be a protector, and forcing a character into a role like that would be similar to the Iron Bull romance (which I didn't mind, but to each their own). A KISA to me should just be a strong and confident character, and dedicated to a "good" cause.

[Battlebloodmage]

Knight is often romanticize as strong masculine and protecting the weak. That is what I want. I want a typical one like Alistair or Cullen.

[sandalisthemaker]

I don't think roles *within* the relationship need to be defined. It just gives off a 'your character is submissive' or 'your character is dominant' vibe that I personally don't want. I think those things should be left open to interpretation.  

The KISA should just give off a protective vibe through their general personality, even going so far as to say "Don't worry, I'll protect you" while out on the field. (The way Dorian does. That was fantastic.)

[Zobert]

So, this is something that I've seen tossed around in many a romance related thread. I figured I'd make a thread for it so that people who would like to see a gay knight in shining armor could consolidate their thoughts.

 

Regarding the archetypes of the LI's we've had up to this point, the gay knight in shining armor is one that has yet to be explored. The idea of a strong, virtuous, noble human warrior with strong morals has only been made available for opposite sex romance. (Alistair, Cullen, Blackwall, and Cassandra).  They tend to have a 'cute' and somewhat awkward quality about them concerning romance and the PC is implied to be one of (if not their only) romantic partners. It tends to make them seem more "innocent."  

 

EDIT POST LAUNCH:  Boy, was I wrong about Blackwall. Lol.

 

Although Aveline isn't a LI, she is also an example of a straight character who fits the knight in shining armor archetype.

 

Meanwhile, characters available for same sex romance tend to be roguish characters who have a dark streak and/or questionable morals, and tend to be promiscuous. They tend to have a "bad boy/girl" or "edgy" quality to them. (Leliana, Zevran, Isabela, Anders, Fenris, Iron Bull, Sera). Note that this is not necessarily a bad thing, as grayness tends to make for interesting characters. 

 

I would just like for things to be switched up from time to time. 

 

So this is a thread asking for a strong, morally noble (not necessarily of noble status, but that would be good too) gay warrior. (Male and female would be great.)

 

Note:  Although  we know very little about the DA:I companions at this point, and it may be a bit premature to categorize them in such a way, I am making this thread now because it is a good time for suggestions to be made, since presumably the next DA game is in an early enough stage where new ideas can be put forward and possibly implemented.

 

I am not complaining here. I am happy with the fact that I have two guys to romance (Dorian and Bull) but I would like to see the archetypes of the LIs change up a bit in the next game. 

 

 

Aveline had sex with my female Hawke, how is she straight?

[sandalisthemaker]

Aveline had sex with my female Hawke, how is she straight?

 

What sorcery is this?

 

Mods don't count. 

[daveliam]

I don't think roles *within* the relationship need to be defined. It just gives off a 'your character is submissive' or 'your character is dominant' vibe that I personally don't want. I think those things should be left open to interpretation.  

The KISA should just give off a protective vibe through their general personality, even going so far as to say "Don't worry, I'll protect you" while out on the field. (The way Dorian does. That was fantastic.)

 

That line was a totally swoon-worthy.  Dorian is charming.

 

Aveline had sex with my female Hawke, how is she straight?

 

Wait, what?  Aveline can have sex with female Hawke?  I just heard yesterday that she can kiss female Hawke.  Before that, I didn't even know that was possible.  Now it turns out that you can have sex with her?  Really?  I feel like would know about that if it could happen.  I feel like some of these things might not be true.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

*stands on soapbox* When was the last time you saw a GAY male in a front and center starring action role? I can't think of one. And by action I mean a warrior/soldier archetype, not even purely a KISA. As much as I love Steve, as many people have said, he wasn't a front line soldier and honestly, having Vega as the gay option would have been pretty cool too, just to show that yes gay men can be bromantic warriors. 

How is Steve not a front line soldier? He was a fighter pilot. In space combat, you can't be more of a front line soldier than that. Not to mention all the times he used the Kodiak on the front lines for us, like during the N7 missions and the Battle of Earth. 

[Reva-C]

He didn't run around with you shooting a huuuuuge bad gun....

[eyezonlyii]

That line was a totally swoon-worthy.  Dorian is charming.

 

 

Wait, what?  Aveline can have sex with female Hawke?  I just heard yesterday that she can kiss female Hawke.  Before that, I didn't even know that was possible.  Now it turns out that you can have sex with her?  Really?  I feel like would know about that if it could happen.  I feel like some of these things might not be true.

It's just a peck on the lips/cheek. It's the same that Male Hawke gets.

 

How is Steve not a front line soldier? He was a fighter pilot. In space combat, you can't be more of a front line soldier than that. Not to mention all the times he used the Kodiak on the front lines for us, like during the N7 missions and the Battle of Earth. 

I meant on the ground soldier. Like in the squad. But yeah, he is involved in the fight. 

[sandalisthemaker]

That line was a totally swoon-worthy.  Dorian is charming.

 

 

Wait, what?  Aveline can have sex with female Hawke?  I just heard yesterday that she can kiss female Hawke.  Before that, I didn't even know that was possible.  Now it turns out that you can have sex with her?  Really?  I feel like would know about that if it could happen.  I feel like some of these things might not be true.

 

He's great.

 

Nah, Aveline is not romaneable. That guy was just using a mod or BSing.