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[Lieutenant Kurin]

So... do we have a gay/bi knight in shining armour yet? No? Awww....

 

How's everyone doing?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He didn't run around with you shooting a huuuuuge bad gun....

I meant on the ground soldier. Like in the squad. But yeah, he is involved in the fight. 

Well...

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[sandalisthemaker]

So... do we have a gay/bi knight in shining armour yet? No? Awww....

 

How's everyone doing?

 

Great!  Happy new year and such.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

Great!  Happy new year and such.

Happy such!

 

Oh... I didn't do that right .

[Reva-C]

Now I suppose that is a huuuuuge bad gun....(still no Garrus though....)

[Zobert]

Knight is often romanticize as strong masculine and protecting the weak. That is what I want. I want a typical one like Alistair or Cullen.

Dorian does that.  He's just not a sword wielder.  How much more masculine can you get than his body and ass?

[daveliam]

Dorian does that.  He's just not a sword wielder.  How much more masculine can you get than his body and ass?

 

Dorian's great, but he's more of a dashing 'rogue' type with his cocky, arrogant ways and sarcastic quips.  He's more like Robin Hood than Lancelot in that respect.

 

Not going to argue about dat azz though.

[In Exile]

I would have to disagree. I don't think a KISA really has to be a protector, and forcing a character into a role like that would be similar to the Iron Bull romance (which I didn't mind, but to each their own). A KISA to me should just be a strong and confident character, and dedicated to a "good" cause.

I have to disagree with you a lot on IB, because I think the romance there is basically the opposite of a protector type. But that's a YMMV.

I don't think I used the right word. I don't mean protector in the physical sense - I mean someone who feels like the rock in a relationship.

[eyezonlyii]

I have to disagree with you a lot on IB, because I think the romance there is basically the opposite of a protector type. But that's a YMMV.

I don't think I used the right word. I don't mean protector in the physical sense - I mean someone who feels like the rock in a relationship.

Oh I was talking about the fact that people didn't like the fact that you were pushed into a sexual and relationship role without any way to convince Bull otherwise.

[Battlebloodmage]

Dorian does that.  He's just not a sword wielder.  How much more masculine can you get than his body and ass?

More warrior, less mages and rogues. I'm not a fan of his gay storyline but it's more personal taste. I'd prefer a warrior fighting in the front line who's chivalrous. A classical kisa.

[In Exile]

Oh I was talking about the fact that people didn't like the fact that you were pushed into a sexual and relationship role without any way to convince Bull otherwise.

Yeah I'm with you on that part. Speaking as the toppiest top who ever topped things that are toppable the IB romance is just straight up impossible for me even if he were my type physically. It's a shame because I like his personality - but that's just a deal breaker for me. Though in hindsight it did make me realise what a pain in the ass I am for others.

[daveliam]

Yeah I'm with you on that part. Speaking as the toppiest top who ever topped things that are toppable the IB romance is just straight up impossible for me even if he were my type physically. It's a shame because I like his personality - but that's just a deal breaker for me. Though in hindsight it did make me realise what a pain in the ass I am for others.

 

Oh man, was there a contest and I missed it?  Lucky!

 

Yeah, Bull's romance was a little tough for me in this respect as well.  It's funny that it just never even crossed my mind that my character would be the bottom until then (especially since Zev always bottoms for a dwarf Warden, which is what I always play as).  But you know what?  It was fine.  I kind of got into the idea that my burly dwarf Inquisitor was a bottom. 

 

That being said, I'd prefer that they left this stuff up to the imagination.  I don't need them to start getting into specific sexual preferences (i.e. tops and bottoms) in the games.  I'd like it if the gay KISA could be head canoned as either top, bottom, or vers.  No reason to pigeon hole him.

[RINNZ]

Yeah I'm with you on that part. Speaking as the toppiest top who ever topped things that are toppable the IB romance is just straight up impossible for me even if he were my type physically. It's a shame because I like his personality - but that's just a deal breaker for me. Though in hindsight it did make me realise what a pain in the ass I am for others.

HA!

[Zobert]

More warrior, less mages and rogues. I'm not a fan of his gay storyline but it's more personal taste. I'd prefer a warrior fighting in the front line who's chivalrous. A classical kisa.

 

Dorian is awesome tho.  He's a protector all the way.  He had zero reason to help the Inquisition and every reason not to.  He stays with a total stranger the whole time, he guards you.

 

Just because he has a mage's staff doesn't mean he's not a warrior.  He's blowing the **** out of a demons! 

 

You guys...

[Zobert]

Also there is nothing wrong with Robin Hood. 

[sandalisthemaker]

Dorian is amazing, you won't get any complaints from me.

 

But the point of this thread is to highlight that we've never had a gay (or bisexual) virtuous, noble, warrior. A knight in every sense of the word.

[Zobert]

Dorian is amazing, you won't get any complaints from me.

 

But the point of this thread is to highlight that we've never had a gay (or bisexual) virtuous, noble, warrior. A knight in every sense of the word.

 

Right, but he is a noble warrior, just with a staff not a sword.  I'm not trying to take this personally but I do play mages in every game and I don't think my character is less of a warrior because I have a staff instead.

 

Also I think that Dorian IS noble and he's also virtuous.  Just because he's also funny doesn't mean he's not those things.  He's the one forcing you through the time rift when you want to help Leliana, he's the one saving your ass in the chantry, he's the one who who's protective of Felix.

 

He's being sold short because he doesn't carry a sword.  Alastair also told jokes.  Alastair also made YOU lead.  He's no less a noble knight than Alastair, he just doesn't have the uniform!

[daveliam]

Right, but he is a noble warrior, just with a staff not a sword.  I'm not trying to take this personally but I do play mages in every game and I don't think my character is less of a warrior because I have a staff instead.

 

Also I think that Dorian IS noble and he's also virtuous.  Just because he's also funny doesn't mean he's not those things.  He's the one forcing you through the time rift when you want to help Leliana, he's the one saving your ass in the chantry, he's the one who who's protective of Felix.

 

He's being sold short because he doesn't carry a sword.  Alastair also told jokes.  Alastair also made YOU lead.  He's no less a noble knight than Alastair, he just doesn't have the uniform!

 

It has to do with character tropes.  Dorian doesn't fit into the knight in shining armor character trope.  There's too much that doesn't fit for him.  His personality isn't right for it.  He's too sarcastic and vain and arrogant and, frankly, rude to the Inquisitor at times to fit into this trope.  Plus the fact that he's a mage.

 

No one is saying that he's not a badass, because he is.  In fact, I'd suspect that almost everyone who is asking for the gay KISA character is probably also a fan of Dorian.  He's definitely my favorite DA romance and one of my favorite companions in the entire series.  But If it weren't for that one line in his quest, which I'll admit is the type of attitude that I'd like to see from a gay KISA, no one would be able to argue that Dorian is even close to the trope.  Just saying, "Don't worry, I'll protect you" once isn't enough to qualify as a knight in shining armor type.  I'd need to see him act chivalrous and selfless more than just once.  I'd need to see him be humble and polite and romantic to fit this trope.  Plus, there's the fact that a KISA is a front line warrior ('shining armor' is part of the name after all).  Dorian's great; he's just not a KISA. 

 

Kaidan is much closer to this trope.  Look at the difference between Dorian's personality and Kaidan's personality.  That's really the difference that we're talking about. 

[Iadro]

Definitely this. Less Zevran more Riddick, thank you.
*gasp*
A Dark KISA? *swoons* I'd polish his sword all day

 

YES Riddick would be good. Although I was thinking more along the lines of Jason Statham as... let's be honest, he's pretty much the same guy in all of his movies. But there's something about that voice and tough-guy sttitude - plus we know he's done video-game voiceovers before...

 

A dark-skinned KISA would also be good, especially if DA4 takes place in Tevinter! I'm picturing someone with around Dorian's colouring, a gladiator fighting in Vyrantium's famous Arena, wearing that costume that shows off the arms... you know, if he's lived that long without being torn apart or being turned into a blood thrall, you know he's the pretty good at what he does. 

[Gustave Flowbert]

After a few playthroughs (to varying levels of completion), I would love if Krem ended up being a companion and love interest for the next game (or even as an expansion to Inquisition). He's got the "overcame adversity" check box in his past and the protectiveness and loyalty angle down pat. He is a mercenary but only because he couldn't serve in Tevinter.

 

There is the complication (spoiler for Iron Bull's personal quest)

Spoiler

that he could very well end up dead from Iron Bull's personal quest line and the Inquisitor's choice about the Qunari but maybe he could end up as "miraculously escaped" as some other characters have been?

 

Besides that though, he's got an amazing voice actress, an interesting arc, and (best of all) no canon sexuality yet, heh! I also think he's been pretty well received and there would be interest in the fan community to see more of him.

[veeia]

Just throwing in that I really dislike the phrase "fully" gay like bisexuals are some kind of half gay or something, not enough gay to *really count*, blah blah...idk it pings my "bisexuality is fake"/ bi-erasure sensitivities.

Definitely different issues facing bisexual men and gay men in terms of representation and also life so I'm not saying they're the same, but...Idk, does that make sense?

[Battlebloodmage]

Can the Knight in Shining Armor also be a prince? Why are all the royalty in DA series straight? Alistair, Sebastian, and now Cassandra. 

[daveliam]

Just throwing in that I really dislike the phrase "fully" gay like bisexuals are some kind of half gay or something, not enough gay to *really count*, blah blah...idk it pings my "bisexuality is fake"/ bi-erasure sensitivities.

Definitely different issues facing bisexual men and gay men in terms of representation and also life so I'm not saying they're the same, but...Idk, does that make sense?

 

Yep, it makes perfect sense to me.  I went back and double checked my posts just to make sure that I didn't say it (I didn't!), but if I missed it anywhere, let me know and I'll edit it out.  I try to keep this in my mind after hearing people on the forums mention it in the past.  I can definitely see how it can be interpreted as bi-erasure to call the bisexual men in the games "not fully gay".  It creates a situation where they aren't able to categorized as their actual sexuality; only in relation to either straight or gay. 

 

 

Can the Knight in Shining Armor also be a prince? Why are all the royalty in DA series straight? Alistair, Sebastian, and now Cassandra. 

 

I don't need that, but I'd love it.  Maybe a situation where he's a younger sibling (kind of like Cousland, where there's a Fergus already there to take care of inheritance), so there's not the whole "you must procreate" story since we've gotten that already with Dorian.  It would actually be great if you could actually end up in a long-term relationship with him without it being 'controversial'.  Not marriage, since Gaider has already stated that there's no gay marriage in Thedas.  Just a situation where a gay princely KISA can unapologetically be with his male lover without it being a giant piece of the story. 

[eyezonlyii]

Just throwing in that I really dislike the phrase "fully" gay like bisexuals are some kind of half gay or something, not enough gay to *really count*, blah blah...idk it pings my "bisexuality is fake"/ bi-erasure sensitivities.
Definitely different issues facing bisexual men and gay men in terms of representation and also life so I'm not saying they're the same, but...Idk, does that make sense?

I know what you mean, and I know it was my post that said it, but I stand by it, not in the sense that I think bisexual people are an " inbetween" or "haven't made up their mind" sexuality, but more so from the standpoint that if a character is bisexual, then unless otherwise stated, many people will assign the heterosexual aspect as the "default" preference, this in effect nullifying a major component of what this thread is asking for. I can symp/empathize with the bisexual identify perception conflict as I have dated a bisexual male, so I do get the whole "you're not gay enough to be one of us" stigma, but I truly believe that having a stereotypically masculine, yet homosexual man (or woman for that matter) would allow for the character to adhere more closely to the archetype, while simultaneously subverting it. Though they could invert it completely and have him/her be completely feminine.

[eyezonlyii]

YES Riddick would be good. Although I was thinking more along the lines of Jason Statham as... let's be honest, he's pretty much the same guy in all of his movies. But there's something about that voice and tough-guy sttitude - plus we know he's done video-game voiceovers before...
 
A dark-skinned KISA would also be good, especially if DA4 takes place in Tevinter! I'm picturing someone with around Dorian's colouring, a gladiator fighting in Vyrantium's famous Arena, wearing that costume that shows off the arms... you know, if he's lived that long without being torn apart or being turned into a blood thrall, you know he's the pretty good at what he does. 

Well to be fair, my soon to be future ex-husband number 1, Mr. Vin Diesel has done splendid voice work himself, as the Giant in The Iron Giant and recently as Groot (the most powerful 3 words I've heard in a long time), and has done not only Riddick, but the Fast and Furious movies plus xXx. So I could go either way.

And when I said Dark KISA, in that post at least, I was referring to personality, a la Batman being the Dark Knight to Superman's Man of Steel. But if we're talking complexion, I say go darker than Dorian, as in my game at least, I couldn't tell he was supposed to be of color. So Yea...just bring back Ser Barris as a gay man, then I (and hopefully most here) will be happy.