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[AresKeith]

I saw this cute pic of knightly bfs and thought that you guys would like it:

 

 

Artist

 

Kinda reminds me of the Grey Warden couple in The Calling 

[daveliam]

I don't think of 'neutral' alignments when I think of KISAs. I think of 'lawful', which is actually one of the reasons why I don't think Dorian fits. He's not lawful either. So, to me, he doesn't fit just like Sera doesn't fit.

Oh, and again, his in game file character description is that he's the 'dashing rogue' archetype. I've said from the beginning that he's more of the 'Robin Hood' type than the 'Galahad' type. I'm not seeing why this is even still up for debate.

[HuldraDancer]

For some reason whenever I come on this thread I always star thinking about this couple from a webcomic I'm reading which is odd cause I have no idea if either of them would be a KISA type but I like to think that they would be.

In spoiler tags for size.

Spoiler

http://www.gogetaroo...ndex.php?id=623

[Zobert]

I don't think of 'neutral' alignments when I think of KISAs. I think of 'lawful', which is actually one of the reasons why I don't think Dorian fits. He's not lawful either. So, to me, he doesn't fit just like Sera doesn't fit.

Oh, and again, his in game file character description is that he's the 'dashing rogue' archetype. I've said from the beginning that he's more of the 'Robin Hood' type than the 'Galahad' type. I'm not seeing why this is even still up for debate.

 

Because I totally disagree with you?  You can be lawful good and not have laws.  In many fantasy systems you have anarchism.  Dorian has a strict code that he lives by.  He is not situational (chaotic disposition).  You can also be charming and a KISA. 

 

It is having a proud heritage that you embody (he does see his speech on Tevinter), having a code you live by (he does), and a self-sacrificing nature.

 

Isabella and Zevran were rogues who ONLY never betray you if you get them up high level enough.  Dorian helps before he knows you because it is the RIGHT THING TO DO.

 

Sera wants commerce to go back to normal and hates nobles.  Dorian is indifferent to class. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, because unlike Dorian she is not lawful or neutral good.  She's chaotic good, meaning she's not above doing bad just for fun.

Um, that describes Chaotic Neutral, not Chaotic Good. People who are Chaotic Good do things that while against the law are for good reasons, the prime example being Robin Hood who steals, which is against the law, to feed the poor, which is a good reason. Another example are rebels/freedom fighters. 

[ThreeF]

Um, that describes Chaotic Neutral, not Chaotic Good. People who are Chaotic Good do things that while against the law are for good reasons, the prime example being Robin Hood who steals, which is against the law, to feed the poor, which is a good reason. Another example are rebels/freedom fighters. 

Yeah Sera is the deconstruction of Robin Hood, definitely not Robin Hood.

 

 

Sera wants commerce to go back to normal and hates nobles.  Dorian is indifferent to class. 

If you are to go this route, i must point out that Dorian is fine with slavery. None of it (your point included) however has anything to do with KISA trope.

[sandalisthemaker]

Another Dorian debate. 

 

So be it.  However, I am specifically asking for a warrior KISA in this thread. I would like to see a gay or bisexual warrior with the characteristics of a knight in shining armor. 

 

Dorian has some of the characteristics of a KISA, and when I first created this OP, you will notice that he is absent among all the other companions that I described.  At the time ( before DAI was released ), I was unsure if he would fit in the roguish, bad boy/girl group with all the other same-sex romance options.  

 

Now, post-launch, to me Dorian is in this gray area.  He has some of the characteristics of a KISA, but to me he is not a close enough fit.  

 

He is my favorite companion so far though, so there is that. 

[Zobert]

Um, that describes Chaotic Neutral, not Chaotic Good. People who are Chaotic Good do things that while against the law are for good reasons, the prime example being Robin Hood who steals, which is against the law, to feed the poor, which is a good reason. Another example are rebels/freedom fighters. 

 

Robin Hood and Sera are chaotic good and chaotic neutral at times.

[Zobert]

Yeah Sera is the deconstruction of Robin Hood, definitely not Robin Hood.

 

 

If you are to go this route, i must point out that Dorian is fine with slavery. None of it (your point included) however has anything to do with KISA trope.

 

And Lancelot was fine with feudalism and Alastair was fine with not being able to marry an elf that he was in love with and people call him a KISA.

[General TSAR]

Well since we are saying personal preferences now I hope for a demisexual KISA

Interesting, but how would you differentiate them from other preferences in the writing? 

 

(Yeah I know it's been close to a month)

[Zobert]

Another Dorian debate. 

 

So be it.  However, I am specifically asking for a warrior KISA in this thread. I would like to see a gay or bisexual warrior with the characteristics of a knight in shining armor. 

 

Dorian has some of the characteristics of a KISA, and when I first created this OP, you will notice that he is absent among all the other companions that I described.  At the time ( before DAI was released ), I was unsure if he would fit in the roguish, bad boy/girl group with all the other same-sex romance options.  

 

Now, post-launch, to me Dorian is in this gray area.  He has some of the characteristics of a KISA, but to me he is not a close enough fit.  

 

He is my favorite companion so far though, so there is that. 

 

Okay fine I can sort of deal with that (your wanting a sword wielder), but Dorian is also a warrior.  He just uses magic instead of a sword.

 

That's sort of the point I'm making.  It's elitist to say that only "jocks" not brains (mages) or clever people (rogues) get to be some noble icon, as if being good looking and jock-like makes you a paragon over other qualities.

 

Dorian has got serious character.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Robin Hood and Sera are chaotic good and chaotic neutral at times.

Sera is never Chaotic Good. The reason she helps the Inquisition is because she wants the world to go back to normal so she can play, which is not a Good rationale. She is Chaotic Neutral and sometimes possibly even Chaotic Evil, like when she murders the noble just because we don't kill him quick enough and she gets annoyed. 

[ThreeF]

And Lancelot was fine with feudalism and Alastair was fine with not being able to marry an elf that he was in love with and people call him a KISA.

Lancelot is not KISA  (and he did much more than just be fine with feudalism which can be ascribed to the time frame this character was created), Alistair is not KISA either.

[Zobert]

Sera is never Chaotic Good. The reason she helps the Inquisition is because she wants the world to go back to normal so she can play, which is not a Good rationale. She is Chaotic Neutral and sometimes possibly even Chaotic Evil, like when she murders the noble just because we don't kill him quick enough and she gets annoyed. 

She's is definitely chaotic good because she cares about the poor just like Robin Hood.  She's sometimes chaotic neutral in that she also wants to get back to fun, but chaotic neutral (Captain Jack Sparrow) doesn't have any inclinations towards anyone that's not a close, close personal friend.  She likes both her friends and the poor people who get pushed around.

[Zobert]

Lancelot is not KISA  (and he did much more than just be fine with feudalism which can be ascribed to the time frame this character was created), Alistair is not KISA either.

 

For the sake of this thread, people have pointed out Alastair as a Knight in Shining Armor and Lancelot is kinda where the meme came from.

 

Knights in Shining armor are historically CHASTE, something people forget, have a religious or spiritual code (see Paladin), etc.

[ThreeF]

For the sake of this thread, people have pointed out Alastair as a Knight in Shining Armor and Lancelot is kinda where the meme came from.

 

Knights in Shining armor are historically CHASTE, something people forget, have a religious or spiritual code (see Paladin), etc.

KISA is the perfect knight,  contrary to popular believe Galahad is the perfect knight (basically your saint) not Lancelot who betrayed his king, anyone familiar with the Arthurian myth will tell you this.  There are  lot of misconceptions about it, but they are just that misconceptions.

 

And here is the thing, people in this thread define KISA in many different ways, so you telling them that their way of defining KISA is wrong means very little, because everyone have different parameters when it comes to the way they understand this trope.

 

And btw Sera helps little people for profit and to stick it to the important people, she also does not understands what friendship is (she tells you so herself), not until very late into the game.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Interesting, but how would you differentiate them from other preferences in the writing? 

 

(Yeah I know it's been close to a month)

I won't deny it would be a challenge, but I think it can be done. 

To spare this thread a long post, here is a link to a thread about it. The OP has some common characteristics that they could follow.

http://forum.bioware.../#entry17665811

[Hanako Ikezawa]

KISA is the perfect knight,  contrary too popular believe Galahad is the perfect knight (basically your saint) not Lancelot who betrayed his king, anyone familiar with the Arthurian myth will tell you this.  There are  lot of misconceptions about it, but they are just that misconceptions.

 

And here is the crutch of it, people in this thread define KISA in many different ways, so you telling them that their way of defining KISA is wrong means very little, because everyone has different parameters when it comes to the way they understand this trope.

 

And btw Sera helps little people for profit and to stick it to the important people, she also does not understand what friendship is (she tells you so herself), not until very late into the game.

Yeah, Arthurian legend has surprisingly only a few KISAs. Galahad for sure. A few others like Gawain and Percival can have an argument made(they were seen as worthy enough to join Galahad on the quest to find the Holy Grail). And surprisingly one of the main villains in the legends Mordred can be considered a KISA once you view it from his perspective. But Lancelot? No, he is not a KISA.  

[General TSAR]

I won't deny it would be a challenge, but I think it can be done. 

To spare this thread a long post, here is a link to a thread about it. The OP has some common characteristics that they could follow.

http://forum.bioware.../#entry17665811

Very interesting, I'll be sure to read and later comment.

 

Thanks. 

[Zobert]

KISA is the perfect knight,  contrary too popular believe Galahad is the perfect knight (basically your saint) not Lancelot who betrayed his king, anyone familiar with the Arthurian myth will tell you this.  There are  lot of misconceptions about it, but they are just that misconceptions.

 

And here is the crutch of it, people in this thread define KISA in many different ways, so you telling them that their way of defining KISA is wrong means very little, because everyone has different parameters when it comes to the way they understand this trope.

 

And btw Sera helps little people for profit and to stick it to the important people, she also does not understand what friendship is (she tells you so herself), not until very late into the game.

 

Lancelot was until the adultery thing which is what made it naughtiest heel turn in medieval legend, the "perfect" knight whose faith in God healed the man he battled against, fell to lust.

 

Yes, people redefine words and concepts all the time which makes it difficult to have conversations.  I find that a completely frustrating aspect of the post 00's because you have to haggle a definition to death.  Generally in fantasy we have two standby's Tolkein and D&D, both of which are lost now to this forum.

 

We finally got to the crux of this which is that he wants a sword wielder, not necessarily a lawful good/paladin type.  I'm now curious why he only wants a sword wielder.

 

And I disagree about Sera based on the conversation where she talks about the little guy always getting trampled and how you are able to get brownie points with her.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Very interesting, I'll be sure to read and later comment.

 

Thanks. 

You are welcome. I hope it helps.

 

Btw, love your avatar.

[ThreeF]

We finally got to the crux of this which is that he wants a sword wielder, not necessarily a lawful good/paladin type.  I'm now curious why he only wants a sword wielder.

Because there were never gay sword wielders in DA.

 

 

And I rather both Tolkien and DnD burn in flames as far as fantasy games go, but that's just me.

[Zobert]

So I googled it, Google definition:

 

knight in shining armor (or knight on a white charger)

phrase of knight

noun: knight in shining armor

1.

an idealized or chivalrous man who comes to the rescue of a woman in a difficult situation.

synonyms: Sir Galahad, knight on a white charger/horse/steed, rescuer, savior, champion, hero, liberator, defender, protector, guardian, guardian angel

"she clung to the fantasy of her knight in shining armor"

https://www.google.c...=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

And

 

http://dictionary.ca...-shining-armour

 

a knight in shining armour

› someone who saves you from a difficult or dangerous situation

 

 

By those two definitions that are not Tolkien or D&D or Arthurian (I agree on Galahad but since he didn't have sex, I didn't bring him up for this thread)...Dorian, Iron Bull, Varric, and Cassandra all meet those.

 

Dorian especially since he saves your behind in Redcliffe.

[Zobert]

Because there were never gay sword wielders in DA

 

My Iron Bull has a sword and rescues you often.  I still don't understand the point that the weapon is important and not the man's character.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My Iron Bull has a sword and rescues you often.  I still don't understand the point that the weapon is important and not the man's character.

The Iron Bull isn't gay. He is pansexual. ThreeF said there was never a gay sword wielder in DA. 

 

And also, there is no way The Iron Bull is a KISA. He is pretty much the opposite of one.