My Iron Bull has a sword and rescues you often. I still don't understand the point that the weapon is important and not the man's character.
Your Iron Bull is a bisexual or pansexual or whatever, but not gay. It's not about character it is about variety. Like for instance most rogues are of dubious morality sans Sebastian (and even his morality can be questioned)
(he also does not rescue you at all, he is a spy with an identity crisis)
We finally got to the crux of this which is that he wants a sword wielder, not necessarily a lawful good/paladin type. I'm now curious why he only wants a sword wielder.
No, I would like to see both of those combined.. We've never had a gay or bisexual companion who is both a sword wielding warrior *and* a lawful good/paladin type. That's what I've been suggesting this whole time.
We have Fenris. A giant-sword wielding bisexual warrior. But he does not fit the bill personality wise.
We have Dorian, who I admit comes very close personality wise, but he is not a warrior.
People obsess over "femininity and masculinity" - what a person who wants a KISA "probably" wants... is a man who isn't defined by luxury, pampered living and who's only weapon is "snark". Who isn't obsessed with being fabulous and needing you to know how fabulous he is and isn't that just fabulous.
A man who doesn't actually understand "gay biting humor", maybe a little naive in the ways of being a bitchy sarcasm queen - who doesn't have a problem hauling lumber or changing a tire (depending on the genre), in other words getting his precious little hands dirty - who's more interested in the needs of others than being a gossiping, fad-obsessed trend setting materialist.
And I'm really sick of people saying that a gay man who appreciates stereotypical "manly" concepts is self-loathing. It popped up way earlier in this thread... and it's worse than self-loathing, it's hating people who don't like what you like and is a phobia of it's own. As a gay man, I don't have to suddenly start donning a particular way of living just to fit into my "subculture" - and that is exactly what's being argued here. People who want something other than what the subculture bullies gays into being. It's taboo to break away from - and it's offensive for some reason to not want to embrace every gay stereotype conceived of by heterosexuals and then supported by the very people who claim to hate those stereotypes.
Nobody is saying we can't have the Dorian's of the world (he's a totally unremarkable character to me, but that's not the point) - but having a Clark Kent/Gawain (he's the true noble knight)/Captain America type would be far more interesting (to me). I think that's what someone like sandalisthemaker is looking for... and he should have it.
^Yeah, that's the thing. Wanting a "masculine" (I'm just going to use parenthesis with that word from now on since it can be rather inflammatory and can mean different things to different people) gay character who doesn't fit any stereotypes has come up a few times as being somehow homophobic or self-loathing.
I don't get it. I just want to see variety in the way gay characters are depicted.
Liking "masculine men" (or "butch", "manly", etc, however you prefer labeling this silly concept) isn't implicitly homophobic or indicative of self loathing. This has been explained in detail by quite a few people in this thread. Funny, this very thing happened last few days with Russell Tovey and his "foot in mouth - brain down the toilet" moment, followed by "i don't get it - drool" moment. The guy isn't even smart enough to understand what exactly was the problem with what he said, and he's proud of his stupidity and ignorance 
Good for him. "Ignorance is bliss" has a nice ring to it, even though it's mostly fluff.
Anyway, as I said, this was explained in detail numerous times. And yet we still have people "not geting it". And that's fine. Not everyone has the same intelligence or education required to understand or debate abstract concepts like "masculinity", "femininity", "sexism" or "homophobia" (etc too, but those 4 tie in the discussion). It's normal and natural. Some people will dig ditches, some will be doctors, some will invent sh*t, etc.
I can't help but find it funny though.
On a side note, I doubt we will see anything of the sort from Bioware any time soon, for one simple reason: it's hard to imagine BW suddenly starting to work on a "on demand" type business model. There's no winning going with that. So they'll probably create what they create and please some people and annoy some others. There seems to be an overall progress in terms of GLBT visibility and representation, BW is following with it's games, so I'm pleased (it's actually the main reason why I'm so firmly in <BW is awesome> camp).
And that's fine. Not everyone has the same intelligence or education required to understand or debate abstract concepts like "masculinity", "femininity", "sexism" or "homophobia" (etc too, but those 4 tie in the discussion). It's normal and natural. Some people will dig ditches, some will be doctors, some will invent sh*t, etc.
Wow.
Lmao. Way to be insulting.
But I'm not going to argue or anything. I have important things to do today.
*Runs off to play in the snow*
@Gaesesagai: Watch out friend, there's a pride demon spooning with you.
@Gaesesagai: Watch out friend, there's a pride demon spooning with you.
Well that's one hell of a mental image 
People obsess over "femininity and masculinity" - what a person who wants a KISA "probably" wants... is a man who isn't defined by luxury, pampered living and who's only weapon is "snark". Who isn't obsessed with being fabulous and needing you to know how fabulous he is and isn't that just fabulous.
A man who doesn't actually understand "gay biting humor", maybe a little naive in the ways of being a bitchy sarcasm queen - who doesn't have a problem hauling lumber or changing a tire (depending on the genre), in other words getting his precious little hands dirty - who's more interested in the needs of others than being a gossiping, fad-obsessed trend setting materialist.
I hate this thread some times. It's like going back to when I was eighteen, barely out of the closet, and constantly patting myself on the back over what a not-gay gay man I was.
I hate this thread some times. It's like going back to when I was eighteen, barely out of the closet, and constantly patting myself on the back over what a not-gay gay man I was.
Differently people have different experiences. I've caught flank for not being into traditionally masculine stuff or appearances, and to an extent being very pick-y in general.
To be hoest, I'm surprised that this thread is still open even after all the arguing that has happened in here. I've seen similar threads closed for far less.
I wonder if that means Bioware is genuinely considering this and leave it open to listen to ideas and feedback.
To be hoest, I'm surprised that this thread is still open even after all the arguing that has happened in here. I've seen similar threads closed for far less.
I wonder if that means Bioware is genuinely considering this and leave it open to listen to ideas and feedback.
I think the big difference is that, even when we disagree, we're still respectful to each other in this thread. There's been a few exceptions here and there of course. Although I do hope that it means that they are listening as well.
I've seen threads that were as civil as this one shut down for being uncivil, so I don't think that's it.
So with Gaider out of DA, who would you like to see write the potential KISA? Personally, after doing such a great job with Solas and Cole, as well as with Mordin and Jack, I'd love Weekes to write this character. He seems to actually be able to handle writing a variety of romances for all types of characters, unlike Gaider, who seemed to write gay characters in a similar manner.
Can't say I agree. Turns out that I'm generally not a fan of the characters that Weekes has written. I'm not totally sure who I would like to write the next gay character, but I'm hoping it's not him. Also, Gaider only wrote one gay character and two bisexual ones, so that doesn't really make any sense.
Dunno how I feel about this. I tend to find KISA tiresome. But. I do see the appeal here. It feels like something fundamental shifts. The dynamics feel different. It also spits in the eye of a whole lotta tropes/stereotypes which is always fun. It'd be nice to see anyway, for the sake of novelty. I may or may not end up finding him boring as **** but I would applaud his existence.
I don't think I ever worried about who would write a gay KISA and I certainly wouldn't default to either Gaider (now gone) or Weekes. I think someone who can write a "morally good" character and still keep them interesting would help though since a KISA would need that as a starting point. I'm still hoping for a lady KISA but I suspect a lord KISA would happen sooner so as long as we get an interesting character (preferably non-human personally) I'll be happy. If that gay KISA actually has plot relevance too I'd be seriously surprised and absolutely thrilled.
Well the moddders have done it, Cullen has been restored to a Bi knight in shining armour
https://www.youtube....h?v=2jh_PMcTlI4
Just to let everyone know, Solas has had his bi romance restored, and yes. It's (almost) fully voiced acted for male inqusitors. Including a certain scene involving tattoos. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=xalUFghyZFE
https://www.youtube....h?v=urPkMFHqiIY
Well the moddders have done it, Cullen has been restored to a Bi knight in shining armour
https://www.youtube....h?v=2jh_PMcTlI4
Just to let everyone know, Solas has had his bi romance restored, and yes. It's (almost) fully voiced acted for male inqusitors. Including a certain scene involving tattoos. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=xalUFghyZFE
I've been waiting to see these, including Cassandra's. How much are each voiced? Also, where's the tattoo scene with Solas? People don't seem to be willing to post the scenes that may not have fully spoken lines (cowards 
), but I want to see regardless.
I've been waiting to see these, including Cassandra's. How much are each voiced? Also, where's the tattoo scene with Solas? People don't seem to be willing to post the scenes that may not have fully spoken lines (cowards
Not sure myself, I refuse to do another playthrough Inqusition again untill Bioware have patched the engine and sorted out the performance issues and SLI glitches.
Not sure myself, I refuse to do another playthrough Inqusition again untill Bioware have patched the engine and sorted out the performance issues and SLI glitches.
Well, I'm referring to these people who post teasers. I mean the dude who romanced Cullen obviously played through to the end, so where's the rest? Lame. 
Well the moddders have done it, Cullen has been restored to a Bi knight in shining armour
No such thing as restored but whatever
No such thing as restored but whatever
Regardless of the real reason, If Cullen was intended to be bisexual for release but cut due to time constraints then this is the definition of restored. You don't have to like it, but that doesn't mean you can redefine the term restored because of it.
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