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[stop_him]

 

re·store

rəˈstôr/

verb

past tense: restored; past participle: restored

bring back (a previous right, practice, custom, or situation); reinstate.

"the government restored confidence in the housing market"

synonyms: reinstate, bring back, reinstitute, reimpose, reinstall, reestablish

"the aim to restore democracy"

antonyms: abolish

• return (someone or something) to a former condition, place, or position.

  "the effort to restore him to office isn't working"
• repair or renovate (a building, work of art, vehicle, etc.) so as to return it to its original condition.

   

  Yep, seems like restored actually is a thing. Much wow.

If Cullen was intended to be bisexual for release but cut due to time constraints then this is the definition of restored. You don't have to like it, but that doesn't mean you can redefine the term restored because of it.

 

I think he's referring to the fact that it's a mod, not official in-game content. Plus, only PC users can use mods, so people like me on XBone will never have access to bi Cassandra, etc. Hence, why I am annoyed that people are choosing to only upload the parts that are voiced. I want to see the mods in their entirety. 

[AresKeith]

 

Regardless of the real reason, If Cullen was intended to be bisexual for release but cut due to time constraints then this is the definition of restored. You don't have to like it, but that doesn't mean you can redefine the term restored because of it.

 

 

Cullen was "considered" to be bisexual during development because we still don't know the full story behind the reason

 

I think he's referring to the fact that it's a mod, not official in-game content.

 

And this too, I guess

[Spirit Keeper]

I think he's referring to the fact that it's a mod, not official in-game content. Plus, only PC users can use mods, so people like me on XBone will never have access to bi Cassandra, etc. Hence, why I am annoyed that people are choosing to only upload the parts that are voiced. I want to see the mods in their entirety. 

Perhaps, but it still fits the definition of restored so I needed to correct that.

 

I'm annoyed too, I think they are supposed to tease mods that are released and/or coming out soon. But there are a lot of important scenes I wish I had forekowledge of how many scenes are voiced acted. I wouldn't worry to much though, chances are as people start to catch on that it's avaliable I imagine more people will upload their romances to youtube. I'm keeping my eye on one youtuber who does that.

[Milana]

Well, I'm referring to these people who post teasers. I mean the dude who romanced Cullen obviously played through to the end, so where's the rest? Lame.

The rest isnt voiced i believe.

http://heypollyyy.tu...st/112971288397-those are the only gifs i saw of other scenes.

[daveliam]

Well, I'm not a huge fan of mods that change characters' sexuality.  And I firmly believe that Cullen was never bisexual outside of development, so it's not really a restoration, so much as a 'what if' mod. 

 

But, all of that being said, that video of Cullen and mInquisitor is exactly what I want in a male LI in the future (minus the blatant female PC animations for the mInquisitor).  <sigh>  What might have been, right?

 

Also, having never rolled an elf (let alone a female elf), it's so weird to me to see Solas as a sexual character.  He's always been the erudite, asexual type of character in my playthroughs.  So hearing about him 'tongueing' in the fade and swooning about muscles was really jarring.  I'm not against it.  I just need some time to rethink how I see Solas.

[In Exile]

Well, I'm not a huge fan of mods that change characters' sexuality. And I firmly believe that Cullen was never bisexual outside of development, so it's not really a restoration, so much as a 'what if' mod.

But, all of that being said, that video of Cullen and mInquisitor is exactly what I want in a male LI in the future (minus the blatant female PC animations for the mInquisitor). <sigh> What might have been, right?

Also, having never rolled an elf (let alone a female elf), it's so weird to me to see Solas as a sexual character. He's always been the erudite, asexual type of character in my playthroughs. So hearing about him 'tongueing' in the fade and swooning about muscles was really jarring. I'm not against it. I just need some time to rethink how I see Solas.

Although this is not the thread for it I will say as an aside I'd like an M/M LI like Solas comes off. Not necessarily asexual - although I will say I never got that vibe from him - but just someone who's very intellectual and book-ish for lack of a better term.

[daveliam]

Although this is not the thread for it I will say as an aside I'd like an M/M LI like Solas comes off. Not necessarily asexual - although I will say I never got that vibe from him - but just someone who's very intellectual and book-ish for lack of a better term.

 

Maybe not asexual, per se.  Just non-sexual.  As in it just never registered that he'd be interested in anything. 

 

I also would like an erudite and book-ish m/m option at some point.  I feel like we've fully explored numerous ways in which sassy, flirty, overtly sexual m/m options (personally, I'd put Zevran, Bull, and Dorian into that category at different places) have been portrayed.  And we've seen two different brooding, tortured types (Fenris and Anders).  Now it would be nice for numerous other m/m options.

 

gay KISA type

erudite intellectual type

naive, innocent type

cunning, Machiavellian schemer type

charming, sweet boy-next-door, best friend type

 

The possibilities are endless.  I'd just prefer not to see another flirty, sassy, overtly sexual or brooding tortured type again for a bit. 

[stop_him]

The rest isnt voiced i believe.

http://heypollyyy.tu...st/112971288397-those are the only gifs i saw of other scenes.

Thanks. Looks like the animation is off in the kissing scene. A male elf might fare the best since he's closer in height to a female elf/human. I think I'd laugh/cringe at seeing a male qunari/dwarf in those scenes like I did with a qunari and dwarf with Josiemance. Dwarves and qunari really suffered in cut scenes this game. We shall see what the future brings though.

[In Exile]

Maybe not asexual, per se. Just non-sexual. As in it just never registered that he'd be interested in anything.

I also would like an erudite and book-ish m/m option at some point. I feel like we've fully explored numerous ways in which sassy, flirty, overtly sexual m/m options (personally, I'd put Zevran, Bull, and Dorian into that category at different places) have been portrayed. And we've seen two different brooding, tortured types (Fenris and Anders). Now it would be nice for numerous other m/m options.

gay KISA type
erudite intellectual type
naive, innocent type
cunning, Machiavellian schemer type
charming, sweet boy-next-door, best friend type

The possibilities are endless. I'd just prefer not to see another flirty, sassy, overtly sexual or brooding tortured type again for a bit.

That's a fair point about Solas. I think my view just comes from the fact that I can behave like Solas in a lot of settings so I don't associate that manner with nonsexuality per set.

That said I'm with you on wanting to see some variety. And not just because I'd like an LI - it would make for great variety in the type of companions we have whether romanced or not.

[stop_him]

 (minus the blatant female PC animations for the mInquisitor).

Hey now, female PCs animate like a man in all non romance cut scenes. And in judgment (disgusted noise), wow, female PC must be airing out some giant pair to testicles to spread like that. 

[Spirit Keeper]

Hey now, female PCs animate like a man in all non romance cut scenes. And in judgment (disgusted noise), wow, female PC must be airing out some giant pair to testicles to spread like that. 

Nah, she's just aerating her vagina. The skyhold outfit IS pretty tight.

[Medhia_Nox]

There is a dating sim game called "Coming Out on Top" - it's about a young college kids coming out experience that then leads into him having the possibility of dating several types of guys.

 

If Bioware insists on making their games secondary dating sims - I'd like them to refer to this game in the future for any and all gay romance possibilities.

 

Note:  I highly recommend it.  The story goes beyond any sort of sexual imagery (though it is there of course ) and it actually  a interesting story for all the various, very unique, characters.

[ThreeF]

glub, glub, he whispers

[daveliam]

There is a dating sim game called "Coming Out on Top" - it's about a young college kids coming out experience that then leads into him having the possibility of dating several types of guys.

 

If Bioware insists on making their games secondary dating sims - I'd like them to refer to this game in the future for any and all gay romance possibilities.

 

Note:  I highly recommend it.  The story goes beyond any sort of sexual imagery (though it is there of course ) and it actually  a interesting story for all the various, very unique, characters.

 

COoT is an awesome game.  It's, frankly, the only dating sim that I've ever played (outside of RPG games with marriage/procreating features like Phantasy Star 3 and Record of Agarest War, so I can't speak to how well done the 'sim' aspect is.  But the game itself is fun (and dirty).

 

I was a kickstarter funder for it and was pretty active on Obscura's forum during development.  She was really great about coming into the forum to ask opinions whenever she wasn't sure about something.  She was really a gem and I appreciate her hard work immensely.

 

I loved the Alex and Ian storylines the most.  Brad and Phil (would Phil count as a KISA type?) were both pretty great too.  The only that I didn't really like that much was the Jed one.  He was fine, but just not for me (he actually reminded me of  a Zevran type).  And, of course, the epicness of the 'secret romance'. 

 

I also whole-heartedly recommend it for people who are looking for some very nsfw gay romance themed gaming. 

[HuldraDancer]

Shite must resit urge to post DA2 sim date game must resit. This thread is too good for it. I must leave for now and lurk in on the KISA talk later.

[200Down]

Shite must resit urge to post DA2 sim date game must resit. This thread is too good for it. I must leave for now and lurk in on the KISA talk later.

 

Ok this coming from a straight guy but I thought the choices for who to romance where very limited(I think it's a total of 2)... So a comprimise? Every romancible npc is bisexual? Seems to me like the only remotely fair way to go about it. And don't even try to act offended by that because honestly, the  only way they'll truely make everyone totally happy is by allowing all the NPC's sexual preferences to be selectable at game start which would be lame in more than a few ways. As for actually selecting architypes? Um what's the point?

 

If you think about it do we need an actual architype? It's not like the NPC's are refering to the players as gay, straight, bi, etc, anyways so I quess what's the difference? I meen It doesn't offend me that npc's don't mention that my charracter is straight. Hell, technicaly every inquisitor is bisexual anyways. You could argue that trying to play a straight inquisitor feels just as limiting as trying to play as a gay inquisitor because all three of the coolest companions are Gay or Bi anyways(well it's arguable but in my case I enjoy them the best). Seriously I'm not seeing the need for architypes here. Haven't they done a pretty good job of catering to all preferences as far as that's concerned?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Ok this coming from a straight guy but I thought the choices for who to romance where very limited(I think it's a total of 2)

 

*shrug*

 

It's the same number of love interests everyone got in DAO and DA2. Only straight female PCs get extras, and those are race-gated. I don't really see the problem.

 

Haven't they done a pretty good job of catering to all preferences as far as that's concerned?

 

The point of the thread is that all the Knight In Shining Armor types (Alistair, Aveline, Cassandra, Blackwall, debateably Sebastian) have been straight. People would like to see a gay or bisexual one for a change.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

 

 

Um, you have the same number of options as you did in the last games.  You only had two in Origins (Leliana and Morrigan) and two in DA2 (Isabela and Merrill.)  For the first time in BioWare history, gay and lesbian players have two options as well for the romances.    Straight women got 4...if they play an elf.  They have 3 if they play a human and 2 if they preferred qunari or dwarf.

 

Every Inquisitor isn't bisexual, that's a little absurd.  If that was the case, why would you be stating your options are limited?  If every PC is bisexual, then why are minding having two female options?   By that logic, you should have no problem romancing Bull or Dorian.  However, from the way you are talking, you sound like you play straight male characters.   Which is fine, but the only limitation here on on yourself.

 

The NPCs may not use those labels, but clearly do express preferences in gender.   Cullen will talk about the female HoF if she was a mage.   Blackwall and Josie get together <if not romanced.>  Bull and Dorian will also become a couple if not romanced.  Cassandra talks about her former male lover as well.  Think about your causal speech: You don't go shouting to the world you're straight, but you'll mention either previous relationships or attraction to women while taking with friends.  It isn't any different here.

 

Why different archetypes?  Well, creativity for starters.  Folks like to see the dashing rogue, or the lady warrior with a heart of gold.  That is the one of the basis of any storytelling, regardless of medium.  Also, please leave the word "catering" at the door.   BioWare has stated that they aren't catering to anyone, merely trying to give a variety of options for many people.   If you don't see the point, then why did you come by?  Archetypes for characters are good things, as they can give a foundation for a character later.

 

As many of us have stated for months off and on, BioWare is going to have gay, bisexual and lesbian characters in their games.  David Gaider moving onto another BioWare project isn't going to change that.  Since we have a chance for the devs to read our ideas (and the devs/writers do lurk on the forums,) this is a great time to toss out some thoughts.

 

There is plenty of threads off and on in the Feedback section that have other requests.  This one has been around the longest at this point, because we try to maintain civility and stay on topic.   

[200Down]

Sorry didn't play the last game because of all the horrid reviews. Maybe I should though. Is it really THAT bad?

 

Ah ok, now I'm with you  Andraste_Reborn. Well you can have CASS, she's too damn whiney to fit the Knight and Shiny though aint she? Cullen is your man in this game I'd say and he's bi I THINK isn't he? It's just too bad he's not a party member honestly. And blackwall.. well he's prolly the closest we'd have(total kiss arse though amoung other things) but there's really nothing in this game that's a usable party member that truely fits that knight and shiny discription. I guess it's supposed to be the inquisitor? It bugs the hell out of me that you really can't play an evil type in this game. Something I really miss from Baldurs Gate.

[Grieving Natashina]

Cullen is straight.  Despite mods, and despite literally a handful of lines that ended up deep in the game files, he hasn't been changed to bisexual.  A lot of long time regulars of this thread watched the panel that David Gaider did back in 2014 at GaymerX Con.  He was talking about a character that they wanted to make bisexual, but it "didn't fit."  Once someone datamined the dialogue, most folks assume that Cullen was who David, Patrick Weekes and Karen Weekes were talking about.

 

Being bisexual isn't just about allowing both genders to romance the same person.  I'm glad that they decided to make Cullen who he is instead of forcing him to be something else.   For the record, I'm ambivalent when it comes to mods.  It's not going to change BioWare's cannon.  

 

Cassandra is actually is pretty much the KISA archetype as a woman.   "Whiny" isn't a disqualification.  Alistair is one example folks in the thread have used, and Sebastian is another example.  Cullen also fits the archetype as well.

 

As far as playing an evil character, I hear you but this isn't the thread for that.  You're free to bump or start one though.  I'll be happy to participate, since I'd like to see a variety of RP options in the next game for those that prefer more....unsavory player characters.

[daveliam]

Sorry didn't play the last game because of all the horrid reviews. Maybe I should though. Is it really THAT bad?

 

Ah ok, now I'm with you  Andraste_Reborn. Well you can have CASS, she's too damn whiney to fit the Knight and Shiny though aint she? Cullen is your man in this game I'd say and he's bi I THINK isn't he? It's just too bad he's not a party member honestly. And blackwall.. well he's prolly the closest we'd have(total kiss arse though amoung other things) but there's really nothing in this game that's a usable party member that truely fits that knight and shiny discription. I guess it's supposed to be the inquisitor? It bugs the hell out of me that you really can't play an evil type in this game. Something I really miss from Baldurs Gate.

 

Right, in this game, we have three people who pretty much fit the KISA archetype (more or less):

 

Cass - straight

Cullen - straight

Blackwall - straight

 

That's kind of our point.  All of the full-on KISA (or mostly KISA adjacent) characters are straight whereas none of the bisexual or gay characters fit the bill.  We'd just like to see a bisexual or gay/lesbian KISA in an upcoming game because, just like there are straight people who find that archetype attractive, there are also gay/lesbian people who do as well. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh and as far as DA2: I don't think it's that bad.  There is copy & paste dungeons, and enemies literally fall from the sky.  That sums up my two biggest gripes about the game.  

 

However, I liked the companions, I really enjoyed the main story overall, and I found the DLC worthwhile.  The combat is more action-based than even DA:I, which whether or not you find that a good thing is to your taste.

 

There is a really nice assortment on nexus mods as well, if you're a PC gamer.  I'd recommend it, if for the characters and the story.   

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Haven't they done a pretty good job of catering to all preferences as far as that's concerned?

No, they haven't actually. 

[daveliam]

Oh and as far as DA2: I don't think it's that bad.  There is copy & paste dungeons, and enemies literally fall from the sky.  That sums up my two biggest gripes about the game.  

 

However, I liked the companions, I really enjoyed the main story overall, and I found the DLC worthwhile.  The combat is more action-based than even DA:I, which whether or not you find that a good thing is to your taste.

 

There is a really nice assortment on nexus mods as well, if you're a PC gamer.  I'd recommend it, if for the characters and the story.   

 

The other complaint that I'd add to that is the that they took away racial selection.  Hawke was an okay protagonist, but I never really connected with him because I felt he's a little too limited for me.  Other that than and the two big ones that you listed, it was a good game.  Most of the companions were really awesome (or at least compelling even if they were irritating) and I thought that Meredith was an interesting antagonist. 

[200Down]

Hmm, coulda sworn Cullen was bi. Maybe I just saw the heart on a dialog option and ASSumed he was.

Anyways seems you're right then. That is kinda odd. So what male NPC's actually are GAY only then?

 

Natashina what I ment by the inquisitors all being bisexual is that you really ARE limited by what the NPC's sexual preferences are. NOT what you would like choose. Meaning, as far as game code is concerned we are all treated as bisexuals and can litteraly HIT on anyone we want but success depends entirely on the NPC's preference. That's all I meant by that. Hopefully that makes more sense or at least SOME sense. And yes, it does feel limiting to me because not everyone is gonna dig the same companions and even want a romance with them. Honestly it really doesn't matter. It wouldn't hurt my gameplay at all really if romance options didn't exist but sense it's there it'd be nice if it wasn't limited.

 

And thanks for the info on D2. I'll prolly try it out then because the story is really the biggest thing for me in DA games anyways. But wtf? "enemies literally fall from the sky". That sounds horrible?