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[Zobert]

For the Dorian's not a KISA type: is the Mighty Thor?  I'm just asking because homeboys keep bringing up Cullen.

[In Exile]

For the Dorian's not a KISA type: is the Mighty Thor? I'm just asking because homeboys keep bringing up Cullen.

Which version of Thor? Movie Thor after he gets back his powers, sure.

[daveliam]

Why is #TeamDorian a thing here?  No one is against Dorian, so there's no need to have a team in support of him, no?  If you think he counts, great.  You've gotten someone who you think fits the trope.  Others don't feel that he fits.  And multiple reasons have been given.  So, for us, we're still waiting for someone who fits.

 

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of going in circles around Dorian.  Everyone has made their thoughts known about him at this point.  Why do people keep bringing him up?

[xdonnyliciousx]

So, this is something that I've seen tossed around in many a romance related thread. I figured I'd make a thread for it so that people who would like to see a gay knight in shining armor could consolidate their thoughts.

 

Regarding the archetypes of the LI's we've had up to this point, the gay knight in shining armor is one that has yet to be explored. The idea of a strong, virtuous, noble human warrior with strong morals has only been made available for opposite sex romance. (Alistair, Cullen, Blackwall, and Cassandra).  They tend to have a 'cute' and somewhat awkward quality about them concerning romance and the PC is implied to be one of (if not their only) romantic partners. It tends to make them seem more "innocent."  

 

EDIT POST LAUNCH:  Boy, was I wrong about Blackwall. Lol.

 

Although Aveline isn't a LI, she is also an example of a straight character who fits the knight in shining armor archetype.

 

Meanwhile, characters available for same sex romance tend to be roguish characters who have a dark streak and/or questionable morals, and tend to be promiscuous. They tend to have a "bad boy/girl" or "edgy" quality to them. (Leliana, Zevran, Isabela, Anders, Fenris, Iron Bull, Sera). Note that this is not necessarily a bad thing, as grayness tends to make for interesting characters. 

 

I would just like for things to be switched up from time to time. 

 

So this is a thread asking for a strong, morally noble (not necessarily of noble status, but that would be good too) gay warrior. (Male and female would be great.)

 

Note:  Although  we know very little about the DA:I companions at this point, and it may be a bit premature to categorize them in such a way, I am making this thread now because it is a good time for suggestions to be made, since presumably the next DA game is in an early enough stage where new ideas can be put forward and possibly implemented.

 

I am not complaining here. I am happy with the fact that I have two guys to romance (Dorian and Bull) but I would like to see the archetypes of the LIs change up a bit in the next game. 

 

You have to look at it in context. The homosexuals tend to come from Orlais where they see same sex as not really that different from heterosexuals. Orlais is also home of the Game, pomposity, exuberance, intrigue, spies and secrets. So generally, someone of the homosexual type would have been raised in that environment. In Fereldan and the north, homosexual ralationships are generally frowned upon or hidden. This is where Alistair, Cullen, and Blackwall are from. Qunari don't marry so they'll bang just about anyone.

 

Also, this would all depend on your idea of a "knight in shining armor." If you want morals and innocence, I thought Leliana embodied that, especially in DAI. Anders was also very strong, morally. Merrill was kindof innocent. Josephine I thought was both morally strong and innocent.

 

In contrast, Morrigan (heterosexual) was a very dark character. Blackwall also turned out to be not what he claimed, shall we say.
 

[DirkJake]

Why is #TeamDorian a thing here?  No one is against Dorian, so there's no need to have a team in support of him, no?  If you think he counts, great.  You've gotten someone who you think fits the trope.  Others don't feel that he fits.  And multiple reasons have been given.  So, for us, we're still waiting for someone who fits.

 

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of going in circles around Dorian.  Everyone has made their thoughts known about him at this point.  Why do people keep bringing him up?

 

 

Yeah Dorian discussion comes up a number of times in this thread, and I don't really want to repeat the whole thing again (though understandably the thread is very long, and it might be draining to read through all of them). So let me just post character descriptions from the game files where Dorian is described as "<CharacterArchetype> The Clever Rogue" 

 

You have to look at it in context. The homosexuals tend to come from Orlais where they see same sex as not really that different from heterosexuals. Orlais is also home of the Game, pomposity, exuberance, intrigue, spies and secrets. So generally, someone of the homosexual type would have been raised in that environment. In Fereldan and the north, homosexual ralationships are generally frowned upon or hidden. This is where Alistair, Cullen, and Blackwall are from. Qunari don't marry so they'll bang just about anyone.

 

 

Not quite though, homosexuality in Ferelden is "a matter of scandal if done indiscreetly but otherwise nothing noteworthy... Nowhere is it forbidden, and sex of any kind is only considered worthy of judgement when taken to awful excess or performed in the public eye." So I could not really see why there cannot be a gay KISA from Fereldan. It is not true that all people will only have traits that are commonly associated with their cultures either.

 

Also, this would all depend on your idea of a "knight in shining armor." If you want morals and innocence, I thought Leliana embodied that, especially in DAI. Anders was also very strong, morally. Merrill was kindof innocent. Josephine I thought was both morally strong and innocent.

 

 

See, as much as I am pro-Anders (see my signature), I would not call him blowing up the chantry "morally strong." But the main point is none of these characters are gay. Bisexual characters have quite a good variety of representation in DA(whether any of them fits KISA trope may be debatable), for gay characters, no so. 

[daveliam]

You have to look at it in context. The homosexuals tend to come from Orlais where they see same sex as not really that different from heterosexuals. Orlais is also home of the Game, pomposity, exuberance, intrigue, spies and secrets. So generally, someone of the homosexual type would have been raised in that environment. In Fereldan and the north, homosexual ralationships are generally frowned upon or hidden. This is where Alistair, Cullen, and Blackwall are from. Qunari don't marry so they'll bang just about anyone.

 

 

This is not how it works.  Gay people are born and raised in every single place in the world.  Where you are born does not affect your sexuality.  It might affect how you deal with your sexuality, but it doesn't affect how you are born

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Also, "the homosexuals tend to come from Orlais" is completely incorrect.  If you want to look at the LGBT characters in the series:

 

Leliana - Orlais

Zevran - Antiva

Anders - Ferelden

Fenris - Tevinter

Merrill - Dalish

Isabela - Rivain

Iron Bull - Par Vollen

Dorian - Tevinter

Sera - Ferelden

Josephine - Antiva

Wade/Herren - Ferelden

Celene/Briala - Orlais

Branka/Hespith - Orzammar

Krem - Tevinter
Maevaris - Tevinter

Harding - Ferelden

 

So, out of all of the LGBT characters, the only ones from Orlais are Leliana, Celene, and Briala.

 

And, if you are only looking at "homosexual" characters, we are down to:

 

Dorian - Tevinter

Sera - Ferelden

Wade/Herren (presumably) - Ferelden

Celene/Briala (presumably) - Orlais

[sandalisthemaker]

Ah, how I have missed this thread!

 

Nice to see you drop by, my dear.

 

 

You have to look at it in context. The homosexuals tend to come from Orlais where they see same sex as not really that different from heterosexuals. Orlais is also home of the Game, pomposity, exuberance, intrigue, spies and secrets. So generally, someone of the homosexual type would have been raised in that environment. In Fereldan and the north, homosexual ralationships are generally frowned upon or hidden. This is where Alistair, Cullen, and Blackwall are from. Qunari don't marry so they'll bang just about anyone.

 

Also, this would all depend on your idea of a "knight in shining armor." If you want morals and innocence, I thought Leliana embodied that, especially in DAI. Anders was also very strong, morally. Merrill was kindof innocent. Josephine I thought was both morally strong and innocent.

 

In contrast, Morrigan (heterosexual) was a very dark character. Blackwall also turned out to be not what he claimed, shall we say.
 

 

 

People being gay doesn't really have much to do with whether or not it is accepted where they are from. People can be and are gay in places where it is considered a crime punishable by imprisonment or death (IRL, not Thedas).   

 

edit:  Daveliam is a ninja.     

 

 

 

Plus, as Dirkjake said, it isn't forbidden anywhere in Thedas.

[Grieving Natashina]

Good time to break this back out.  This is from Brother Genitivi, and I believe this codex is in the Fade in DA:I.  I do know you can find it in the book World of Thedas Volume 1.  The bolded emphasis is mine:

 

http://dragonage.wik...ality_in_Thedas

 

What I find most interesting is that, despite the lack of open discussion on matters of human sexuality, there is commonality to be found on the subject in all Andrastian lands. Typically, ones sexual habits are considered natural and separate from matters of procreation, and only among the nobility, where procreation involves issues of inheritance and the union of powerful families, is it considered of vital importance. Yet, even there, a noble who has done their duty to the family might be allowed to pursue their own sexual interests without raising eyebrows. The view on indulging lusts with a member of the same gender varies from land to land. In Orlais, it is considered a quirk of character and nothing more. In Ferelden, it is a matter of scandal if done indiscreetly but otherwise nothing noteworthy. In Tevinter, it is considered selfish and deviant behavior among nobles, but actively encouraged with favored slaves. Nowhere is it forbidden, and sex of any kind is only considered worthy of judgement when taken to awful excess or performed in the public eye.

 

I've had a pretty rough day, so I apologize for not adding much else at the moment.  

[sandalisthemaker]

^That was in the Fade wasn't it?

 

I remember thinking, "Hey, we're in the Fade and it's creepy and menacing, but okay, let's talk about sex, baby."  

 

Lol

[daveliam]

^That was in the Fade wasn't it?

 

I remember thinking, "Hey, we're in the Fade and it's creepy and menacing, but okay, let's talk about sex, baby."  

 

Lol

 

Alright then, c'mon Spin!

[Hellion Rex]

This is not how it works. Gay people are born and raised in every single place in the world. Where you are born does not affect your sexuality. It might affect how you deal with your sexuality, but it doesn't affect how you are born
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Also, "the homosexuals tend to come from Orlais" is completely incorrect. If you want to look at the LGBT characters in the series:

Leliana - Orlais
Zevran - Antiva
Anders - Ferelden
Fenris - Tevinter
Merrill - Dalish
Isabela - Rivain
Iron Bull - Par Vollen
Dorian - Tevinter
Sera - Ferelden
Josephine - Antiva
Wade/Herren - Ferelden
Celene/Briala - Orlais
Branka/Hespith - Orzammar
Krem - Tevinter
Maevaris - Tevinter
Harding - Ferelden

So, out of all of the LGBT characters, the only ones from Orlais are Leliana, Celene, and Briala.

And, if you are only looking at "homosexual" characters, we are down to:

Dorian - Tevinter
Sera - Ferelden
Wade/Herren (presumably) - Ferelden
Celene/Briala (presumably) - Orlais

You forgot Marjolaine and possibly Justinia for Orlesian LGBT characters.

[Hellion Rex]

^That was in the Fade wasn't it?

I remember thinking, "Hey, we're in the Fade and it's creepy and menacing, but okay, let's talk about sex, baby."

Lol

There was actually another copy in the Villa with the Freeman general in the Emerald Graves.

[sandalisthemaker]

Alright then, c'mon Spin!

 

Note to self: Upon reading that codex entry in my current playthrough, start blasting Salt N Pepa's "Let's talk about sex," on repeat and do not stop until the fear demon has been slain.   

 

 

It will be so freakin' awesome. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Note to self: Upon reading that codex entry in my current playthrough, start blasting Salt N Pepa's "Let's talk about sex," on repeat and do not stop until the fear demon has been slain.   

 

 

It will be so freakin' awesome. 

Thanks for the giggle.  I'm going to have to try that myself.  I'd probably throw in Bad Touch by Bloodhound Gang while I was at it.  You know, for variety.  

[Zobert]

Why is #TeamDorian a thing here?  No one is against Dorian, so there's no need to have a team in support of him, no?  If you think he counts, great.  You've gotten someone who you think fits the trope.  Others don't feel that he fits.  And multiple reasons have been given.  So, for us, we're still waiting for someone who fits.

 

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of going in circles around Dorian.  Everyone has made their thoughts known about him at this point.  Why do people keep bringing him up?

 

Because when you say he's not a KISA you're dissing my homeboy, that's why.

 

#TeamDorian

[Grieving Natashina]

How is saying that Dorian is not a Knight in Shining Armor "dissing" him?  Dorian himself would probably be the first to agree.  No one here has been talking any crap about the character.  In fact, many of the regular posters adore him, including me.   If you bother to read anything else, then perhaps you'd see that.

 

I'm not sure what shouting match is trying to happen on Twitter or on Tumblr about Dorian, but you can take it right back there.  No one has expressed a dislike or hatred of Dorian in this thread, especially Dave.   Dave likes the character, has since he was known as Dramatic Hands Mustache Guy (based on concept art,) and has shown nothing but support.

 

You're the one trying to make Dorian something he's not.   We wouldn't want him to change into a shining knight, and most of us like him for who he is.  We're asking for a different archetype as well.  There is room for the Dorians of Dragon Age alongside the Cullens and Cassandras.

 

I swear, the "Us" versus "Them" has become utterly toxic on the forums.   I haven't been posting much lately as a result.  Some threads that I hope are actually for feedback have turned into either hatefest on the company; a hatefest on the publisher; or a hatefest against fellow fans.   

 

Of course, there's a good chance you're a troll trying to start a fight no one is having but you and a few others.   Why don't you respect Dorian and stop this nonsense?   He's not like Alistair, he's not like Cullen and that isn't a bad thing.  Neither is asking for someone that has traits more like a knight.  I think David Gaider is secure enough in his character to not need a hashtag campaign stating that Dorian is some kind of knight in shining armor.

 

Here's an idea for you: Politely tweet David Gaider.  I stress politely, but he's usually pretty open about questions.  Ask him if Dorian is a knight in shining armor.  Or ask if Dorian is like Cullen and Alistair.  He wrote Dorian and although he's no longer w/ the DA project, he's still has the final say over that character.   Chances are, the answer will be no and you'll probably confuse David to boot.

[Steelcan]

there's a fight on tumblr and twitter over this!?

 

*grabs popcorn*

[Zobert]

How is saying that Dorian is not a Knight in Shining Armor "dissing" him?  Dorian himself would probably be the first to agree.

 

 

Thus proving that he's a KISA because no self-respecting KISA would say he's a KISA.

 

**Victory Screech**

[Grieving Natashina]

there's a fight on tumblr and twitter over this!?

 

*grabs popcorn*

I would assume by the overuse of hashtags.  Personally, I don't give a crap where it started.  It can go right back there and stay that way.   I've seen this for over a week. 

 

For the sake of my sanity, I'm going ignore that stupidity and those that insist on perpetuating it after this. 

[Zobert]

Also since when does disagreeing make it a hate fest?  I think that 99% of the people on this forum are awesome people.  No hate.

 

To quote the joker: Why so serious?

[Steelcan]

I would assume by the overuse of hashtags.  Personally, I don't give a crap where it started.  It can go right back there and stay that way.   I've seen this for over a week. 

 

For the sake of my sanity, I'm going ignore that stupidity and those that insist on perpetuating it after this. 

these get better when you let go of any notions of protecting your sanity

[Zobert]

I would assume by the overuse of hashtags.  Personally, I don't give a crap where it started.  It can go right back there and stay that way.   I've seen this for over a week. 

 

For the sake of my sanity, I'm going ignore that stupidity and those that insist on perpetuating it after this. 

 

Seriously, why so serious?  Its a forum about a game.  A game.  Do you HONESTLY think I hate you, hate the two Qunaris, or anyone else that disagrees?

 

Do you hate people who disagree with you?  Cuz I sure don't.

[Grieving Natashina]

these get better when you let go of any notions of protecting your sanity

In this case, think of sanity as patience, which I have little of today.  So the ignore list is my friend.   I've also been staying out of most threads as of late, except for threads that I care about.

[Steelcan]

Seriously, why so serious?  Its a forum about a game.  A game.  Do you HONESTLY think I hate you, hate the two Qunaris, or anyone else that disagrees?

 

Do you hate people who disagree with you?  Cuz I sure don't.

well I've gotten a death threat from a discussion on this forum, so clearly some people take it too far

[AresKeith]

Remember when trolling was a fine art?