That doesn't mean Hawke's going to be doing much of, or any of, that in the game.
They said both he/she and Morrigan will play a significant part. We know that Morrigan will help us, quite much, so if they're more or less equally important... it's not jus appearing and going away
Or they just used the wrong adjective
They said both he/she and Morrigan will play a significant part. We know that Morrigan will help us, quite much, so if they're more or less equally important... it's not jus appearing and going away
Or they just used the wrong adjective
There are lots of ways that someone can be significant without actively taking part in the epic monster-slaying. Sure, Hawke could take part in some of that, but just saying he/she is significant does not mean they're definitely going to.
There are lots of ways that someone can be significant without actively taking part in the epic monster-slaying. Sure, Hawke could take part in some of that, but just saying he/she is significant does not mean they're definitely going to.
Well, the sentence kinda implied they would be more or less equal in importance. Otherwise they would be described differently
Well, the sentence kinda implied they would be more or less equal in importance. Otherwise they would be described differently
I disagree with this. Saying they're both significant doesn't mean they're significant in the same ways. For instance, Josephine and Cassandra are both significant roles in the story. Do you really think they're both going to be significant in the same ways?
I disagree with this. Saying they're both significant doesn't mean they're significant in the same ways. For instance, Josephine and Cassandra are both significant roles in the story. Do you really think they're both going to be significant in the same ways?
It means that they both influence the story and strongly so
And I suspect Cassandra is the only companion who won't leave the Inquisitor. As won't Josephine
They both are LIs
So, yeah, there are many similiarities
Equally significant doesn't mean identical, no characters are identically impoitant
It means that they both influence the story and strongly so
And I suspect Cassandra is the only companion who won't leave the Inquisitor. As won't Josephine
They both are LIs
So, yeah, there are many similiarities
Equally significant doesn't mean identical, no characters are identically impoitant
That's...kind of my point. Saying Hawke and Morrigan are both significant does not mean both are going to be helping with the epic monster-slaying.
That's...kind of my point. Saying Hawke and Morrigan are both significant does not mean both are going to be helping with the epic monster-slaying.
Err. Hawke will, we know
Morrigan will help us deal with that dalish-looking-mage
And I'm pretty sure both will be important enemies
Err. Hawke will, we know
Morrigan will help us deal with that dalish-looking-mage
And I'm pretty sure both will be important enemies
Ah, I see. I hadn't seen any direct confirmation of what Hawke would be getting up to in the game, so I retract that, then. Do we know which villains Hawke's going to be laying the smack down on?
Ah, I see. I hadn't seen any direct confirmation of what Hawke would be getting up to in the game, so I retract that, then. Do we know which villains Hawke's going to be laying the smack down on?
We've seen Hawke, Inquisitor and some random Warden meeting Blinky - giant spider-like demon in the trailer
We've seen Hawke, Inquisitor and some random Warden meeting Blinky - giant spider-like demon in the trailer
Do we know if Blinky is a significant villain? Or more like Slothy the Sloth demon from the Circle tower?
Depending on the origin
Not to mention that these stories were the prologues, they were supposed to throw the warden into unknown, to meet forces too strong to overcome in the beginning, but not in the end, to leave the past and start a new life as the wardens
Sibling death in the very beginning, Hawke not noticing his/her own mother went missing despite knowing there's a serial killer somewhre in the city... were just failures
The Sibling death happens when Hawke is nowhere near them, and Hawke isn't even home when Leandra goes missing. The entire point of DA2's story is there are forces one person can't stand against, but apparently that isn't good enough for Hawke because s/he isn't the Warden. The Warden used old pieces of paper to force an entire country, both above and bellow ground, to fight for them. Hawke doesn't have the luxury.
We've seen Hawke, Inquisitor and some random Warden meeting Blinky - giant spider-like demon in the trailer
I keep seeing this, why do people call it Blinky? Is it all the eyes?
I feel I should point out that for some of us, our Warden died at the end of DA:O - Hawke will always survive the events of DA2 no matter what choices you make. It would make sense for the devs to focus on giving a significant cameo to a character that they know will still be alive during the events of DA:I, rather than gambling on the possibility that the Warden still lives. And even if your Warden does survive, would you be happy with a barely fleshed-out cameo who doesn't speak or interact with other characters in any meaningful way?
I'd imagine it's very challenging to turn a former PC into an NPC in a way that does them justice. Hawke's easier, since their personality boiled down to three main types, which you can select in the Keep. The Warden had dozens of personality combinations available for selection, not to mention the problem with them not being voiced in the first place. Honestly, no matter what they chose to do with the Warden, they'd have probably upset a huge number of people in the process - keeping them from making an actual appearance in the game whilst still giving weight to their actions and importance through quests and the story in DA:I is probably the lesser of evils.
Honestly, I think if the Warden did survive the Fifth Blight, then they'll probably go on their Calling by the end of DA:I - there'll probably be some hand-waving about close contact with the Archdemon's blood accelerating the taint in order to justify it. Which might be for the best, really.
OT: Back when the devs were still being coy about the possibility of a former protagonist cameo, one of them (Cameron Lee, I believe) tweeted that IF a former PC were to appear, then they'd definitely give you a way to customize their look. Since that's not possible in the Keep, I'd assume it'll be through a CC in-game - probably via Storytime with Varric.
I'm not sure why people seem to think Hawke being important to the story of Inquisition is weird and/or a bad thing, considering it's almost common sense that the main villain of the game is going to be Corypheus (or at the very least, Corypheus being a major antagonist if not the main one).
Hawke encountered the guy, not The Warden. Heck... It could even be argued (it's pretty much fact, actually) that Hawke is the reason Corypheus was freed from him prison and now he has to fix his screw up. lol
Do we know if Blinky is a significant villain? Or more like Slothy the Sloth demon from the Circle tower?
It's a giant monster. Like a High Dragon. Plus some spoilers from achivement leaks explain why Hawke can be important. But that's spoilers, so, I won't talk about it until game is released
The Sibling death happens when Hawke is nowhere near them, and Hawke isn't even home when Leandra goes missing. The entire point of DA2's story is there are forces one person can't stand against, but apparently that isn't good enough for Hawke because s/he isn't the Warden. The Warden used old pieces of paper to force an entire country, both above and bellow ground, to fight for them. Hawke doesn't have the luxury.
Sibling death in DA2 was one of the worst scenes in opinion of many. We didn't get enough time to get to know the characters to even care. The death itself was very weird, like many scene deaths in many games, unfortunatelly. Hawke's sarcastic line was simply horrifying. And the fact that it's not we, but our class which influenced the outcome is also quite bad
The game itself is disliked so much not because Hawke is powerless to do anything (there are games in which the PC is kinda powerless but which are popular), but because in many moments it was poorly written. Trying to blame the Warden and "DAO fanboys" for bad reputation of DA2 is just laughable. But that's DA2 vs DAO debate all over again. Let's not restart this mess
I feel I should point out that for some of us, our Warden died at the end of DA:O - Hawke will always survive the events of DA2 no matter what choices you make. It would make sense for the devs to focus on giving a significant cameo to a character that they know will still be alive during the events of DA:I, rather than gambling on the possibility that the Warden still lives. And even if your Warden does survive, would you be happy with a barely fleshed-out cameo who doesn't speak or interact with other characters in any meaningful way?
I'd imagine it's very challenging to turn a former PC into an NPC in a way that does them justice. Hawke's easier, since their personality boiled down to three main types, which you can select in the Keep. The Warden had dozens of personality combinations available for selection, not to mention the problem with them not being voiced in the first place. Honestly, no matter what they chose to do with the Warden, they'd have probably upset a huge number of people in the process - keeping them from making an actual appearance in the game whilst still giving weight to their actions and importance through quests and the story in DA:I is probably the lesser of evils.
Honestly, I think if the Warden did survive the Fifth Blight, then they'll probably go on their Calling by the end of DA:I - there'll probably be some hand-waving about close contact with the Archdemon's blood accelerating the taint in order to justify it. Which might be for the best, really.
It would be possible to use DA:A Orlesian Warden if DA:O Warden died. Like Wrex/Wreave, Legion/Legion2.0 etc
And the calling would be worst way to get rid of the Warden. One of the worst for sure. To kill an important and loved PC offscreen is just... ugh, insane. Not to mention that it's a weak escuse. Alistair isn't dead yet and he became a warden prior to us. He dealt with the Archdemon as well
Plus the taint doesn't kill the Warden and with help of Avernus and the Architect it is very possible to get rid of the negative effects in future
I'm not sure why people seem to think Hawke being important to the story of Inquisition is weird and/or a bad thing, considering it's almost common sense that the main villain of the game is going to be Corypheus (or at the very least, Corypheus being a major antagonist if not the main one).
Hawke encountered the guy, not The Warden. Heck... It could even be argued (it's pretty much fact, actually) that Hawke is the reason Corypheus was freed from him prison and now he has to fix his screw up. lol
I agree
But I'm pretty sure that dealing with the first ever darkspawn is also Grey Wardens' job
Getting help from the one hero/ine who killed the Archdemon and stopped the Blight is only logical
I agree
But I'm pretty sure that dealing with the first ever darkspawn is also Grey Wardens' job
Getting help from the one hero/ine who killed the Archdemon and stopped the Blight is only logical
I'm not sure why people seem to think Hawke being important to the story of Inquisition is weird and/or a bad thing, considering it's almost common sense that the main villain of the game is going to be Corypheus (or at the very least, Corypheus being a major antagonist if not the main one).
Hawke encountered the guy, not The Warden. Heck... It could even be argued (it's pretty much fact, actually) that Hawke is the reason Corypheus was freed from him prison and now he has to fix his screw up. lol
I would still put a spoiler tag on that, a lot of people try very hard to avoid spoilers.
Yeah I can imagine Hawke would want to tie up that loose end haha.
The reasons for Hawke over Warden are abundant:
1) Hawke is involved in the Mage-Templar war and was accomplice to the triggering even that set it off to begin with.
2) DA2 was supposed to have an expansion titled Exalted March. It nevertheless was used to fabricate DAI's plot and certain plotlines only make sense if Hawke is involved. The Warden is relatively independent of the plot.
4) Hawke has one origin and can only be of one race and two genders. Class is irrelevant. The Warden can be of three different races, each with up to 3 origins, and two genders.
5) Hawke has two VAs while the Warden has more than a dozen.
6) The Warden is an avatar of the player that was very, very malleable. Hawke was a character with defined personalities and can only be directed by the player.
7) Barring specializations which have been revamped anyway, Hawke is closer to the DAI character build than the Warden's in DAO. If they wanted the Warden to participate in the Inquisitor's party or even played by him, there would be a much more significant amount of "retconning" of abilities. Hawke is more manageable.
All in all including the Warden directly is not only immensely more work, but would actually be way more forced than Hawke could ever be. Be glad they aren't sacrificing story integrity to bow down to your whims.
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Sibling death in DA2 was one of the worst scenes in opinion of many. We didn't get enough time to get to know the characters to even care. The death itself was very weird, like many scene deaths in many games, unfortunatelly. Hawke's sarcastic line was simply horrifying. And the fact that it's not we, but our class which influenced the outcome is also quite bad
The game itself is disliked so much not because Hawke is powerless to do anything (there are games in which the PC is kinda powerless but which are popular), but because in many moments it was poorly written. Trying to blame the Warden and "DAO fanboys" for bad reputation of DA2 is just laughable. But that's DA2 vs DAO debate all over again. Let's not restart this mess
Largely agreed on this, buuut:
It would be possible to use DA:A Orlesian Warden if DA:O Warden died. Like Wrex/Wreave, Legion/Legion2.0 etc
And the calling would be worst way to get rid of the Warden. One of the worst for sure. To kill an important and loved PC offscreen is just... ugh, insane. Not to mention that it's a weak escuse. Alistair isn't dead yet and he became a warden prior to us. He dealt with the Archdemon as well
Plus the taint doesn't kill the Warden and with help of Avernus and the Architect it is very possible to get rid of the negative effects in future
Even so, the Calling has been a firm, established consequence of the Warden-condition for the longest time, now, as well as when it kicks in differing on an individual basis. Our former PC being subject to it, therefore, only makes sense.
Besides, I would not necessarily view it as being equivalent to "killed off-screen". Larius appears to still have been kicking after several decades - he does not look pretty, but he is still very much alive.
Does it mean I disapprove of this as a means to remove a, execution-wise, problematic character from the further story, which it clearly is? Hardly. In fact, I'd very much be able to accomodate my PCs' doing whichever by using the "Calling" as a cover for desertion, why not. I would not be able to do that when the writers go and establish whichever motivation and action of theirs directly on screen, which is bound to directly contradict those I would have in mind for them.
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Warden was confirmed NOT to be in the game.
Hawke, however, was scene (it was confirmed to be her) in the trailer. HOWEVER, Hawke being in the trailer does NOT mean that Hawke will be in the game. Is there any evidence BESIDES the trailer that suggests Hawke will make a cameo?
Warden was confirmed NOT to be in the game.
Hawke, however, was scene (it was confirmed to be her) in the trailer. HOWEVER, Hawke being in the trailer does NOT mean that Hawke will be in the game. Is there any evidence BESIDES the trailer that suggests Hawke will make a cameo?
...Yes? They have confirmed that Hawke will be important.
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...Yes? They have confirmed that Hawke will be important.
What? Give me a break. I live under a rock. 
The only evidence I'd seen of Hawke being in the game was the trailer. Then my friend told me that he heard Hawke would be important, but a lot of his sources tend to be complete and utter BS.
What? Give me a break. I live under a rock.
The only evidence I'd seen of Hawke being in the game was the trailer. Then my friend told me that he heard Hawke would be important, but a lot of his sources tend to be complete and utter BS.
Sorry, It's just I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in this thread already. (I sometimes forget people don't read everything haha)
Yeah it was mentioned recently, was either in a twitch stream or panel, can't remember right now. I think there was also a screenshot from a twitch stream that had a quest called 'Meet Hawke and Stroud' or something.
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