Sorry, It's just I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in this thread already. (I sometimes forget people don't read everything haha)
Yeah it was mentioned recently, was either in a twitch stream or panel, can't remember right now. I think there was also a screenshot from a twitch stream that had a quest called 'Meet Hawke and Stroud' or something.
Also, several appearences In the new Hero Of Thedas trailer + Companion trailer.
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Sorry, It's just I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in this thread already. (I sometimes forget people don't read everything haha)
Yeah it was mentioned recently, was either in a twitch stream or panel, can't remember right now. I think there was also a screenshot from a twitch stream that had a quest called 'Meet Hawke and Stroud' or something.
Yeeeah. I'm too lazy to read the entire thread. XD
Yeeeah. I'm too lazy to read the entire thread. XD
lol as am I 
It would be possible to use DA:A Orlesian Warden if DA:O Warden died. Like Wrex/Wreave, Legion/Legion2.0 etc
But then there'd be even more coding to do and conditional dialogue to record, plus I'm not really sure what the appeal would be in seeing the Orlesian Warden make a comeback - they were hardly as big of a deal as DA:O's Warden.
And the calling would be worst way to get rid of the Warden. One of the worst for sure. To kill an important and loved PC offscreen is just... ugh, insane.
Well to each their own - I'd certainly prefer an off-screen death to Out of Character actions on-screen - think how much worse it would be if your Warden started saying and doing things that go completely against the personality you played out for them.
Not to mention that it's a weak escuse. Alistair isn't dead yet and he became a warden prior to us. He dealt with the Archdemon as well
Plus the taint doesn't kill the Warden and with help of Avernus and the Architect it is very possible to get rid of the negative effects in future
And yet nowhere does it say that you're guaranteed to survive thirty years after your Joining - it's an upper limit. Some Grey Wardens succumb more quickly than others, so it's entirely possible that the Warden had their Calling more quickly than Alistair. We also have absolutely no idea what effect being in the proximity of an Archdemon in its dying moments will do to a Grey Warden, since we don't have any examples of that to draw upon.
(Spoilers for Last Flight below)
We don't even know if Avernus' concoction (if you did take it) and the Architect's questionable methods would even yield results, so I don't know how you can definitively say that the Warden wouldn't succumb to the Taint.
Well to each their own - I'd certainly prefer an off-screen death to Out of Character actions on-screen - think how much worse it would be if your Warden started saying and doing things that go completely against the personality you played out for them.
It's been 10 years. Perhaps they have changed as a person in those 10 years. A ton of various scenarios could have played out since then. The Wardens that we played as could be entirely different people by the time the events of this game take place. You are right, to each their own, but this is how I would personally deal with that. I would rather risk a potential out-of-character moment then an obscure ending to the Warden's story.
If the warden isn't in the game then the wardens LI should at least mention their relationship and for the love of god don't make them break up. My warden that romanced morrigan went through the eluvian with her. Don't make them break up.
But then there'd be even more coding to do and conditional dialogue to record, plus I'm not really sure what the appeal would be in seeing the Orlesian Warden make a comeback - they were hardly as big of a deal as DA:O's Warden.
Well to each their own - I'd certainly prefer an off-screen death to Out of Character actions on-screen - think how much worse it would be if your Warden started saying and doing things that go completely against the personality you played out for them.
And yet nowhere does it say that you're guaranteed to survive thirty years after your Joining - it's an upper limit. Some Grey Wardens succumb more quickly than others, so it's entirely possible that the Warden had their Calling more quickly than Alistair. We also have absolutely no idea what effect being in the proximity of an Archdemon in its dying moments will do to a Grey Warden, since we don't have any examples of that to draw upon.
(Spoilers for Last Flight below)
SpoilerWe don't even know if Avernus' concoction (if you did take it) and the Architect's questionable methods would even yield results, so I don't know how you can definitively say that the Warden wouldn't succumb to the Taint.
yes but then alistar should have the same thing. If he was with the character when they attacked the archdemon
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Killing the Warden offscreen would be an equivalent of J.K.Rowling making Snape die by falling from a cliff or Harry dying from flue
Terrible, backstabbing and stupid
Many people would call that the worst end and they would be right and that'd be ME3 ending drama all over again
DAO was the very beginning. Without DA wouldnt be what it is now. Warden deserves more respect than she/he gets
Maybe you're right. I'm at the point where I stopped caring, but you're reminding me that I used to care at least...
Killing the Warden offscreen would be an equivalent of J.K.Rowling making Snape die by falling from a cliff or Harry dying from flue
Terrible, backstabbing and stupid
Many people would call that the worst end and they would be right and that'd be ME3 ending drama all over again
DAO was the very beginning. Without DA wouldnt be what it is now. Warden deserves more respect than she/he gets
I think it would be a fair trade if Hawke dies a canon death during DA:I.
Then again, I don't really care what happens to Hawke anyway.
Anyone else have doubts they'll be able to recreate their custom Hawke in DAI 'on the fly" so to speak. I just kind of fiddle with options until I have an awesome looking Hawke. Doubtful I'll get an exact match no matter how OCD I go.
imagine the rage if they kill both lolI think it would be a fair trade if Hawke dies a canon death during DA:I.
Then again, I don't really care what happens to Hawke anyway.
yes but then alistar should have the same thing. If he was with the character when they attacked the archdemon
And why not? Does not sound like the type of reactivity that couldn't possibly be implemented. Aside from BW setting up 'stair for a dead-end dynast anyhow what with very low fertility-rate being brought up for Wardens.
Further, even then what Vile said in regards to the Calling still stands: it's a process that kicks in at a different point of time for individual Wardens, and hence provides enough lee-way for 'stair remaining longer than the Warden. If he - 'stair, that is - even appears in DA:I in any significant way at all.
Killing the Warden offscreen would be an equivalent of J.K.Rowling making Snape die by falling from a cliff or Harry dying from flue
Terrible, backstabbing and stupid
Many people would call that the worst end and they would be right and that'd be ME3 ending drama all over again
DAO was the very beginning. Without DA wouldnt be what it is now. Warden deserves more respect than she/he gets
Except the Calling really isn't that explicitly, and I pointed out why. Besides, the developers sending the Wardens off to their Calling would still be more respectful toward our former PCs than them hijacking them for no real gain.
And why not? Does not sound like the type of reactivity that couldn't possibly be implemented. Aside from BW setting up 'stair for a dead-end dynast anyhow what with very low fertility-rate being brought up for Wardens.
Further, even then what Vile said in regards to the Calling still stands: it's a process that kicks in at a different point of time for individual Wardens, and hence provides enough lee-way for 'stair remaining longer than the Warden. If he - 'stair, that is - even appears in DA:I in any significant way at all.
Except the Calling really isn't that explicitly, and I pointed out why. Besides, the developers sending the Wardens off to their Calling would still be more respectful toward our former PCs than them hijacking them for no real gain.
Suurre, how convinient it is that the Warden dies right now so everyone can forget about them
Nope, never
Not it wouldn't. Even Nerevarine's death is better. At least there was enough mystery for headcanoners... though it's pretty clear what actually happened, unfortunatelly
Killing off such a beloved and important person off-screen due to a thing which doesn't even kill is just lame. In the worst way. If they just have to kill the Warden, let the Warden die like a hero she/he is, while battling some epic monster onscreen and saving the day
Again, no one demands the Warden to become a fully-made NPC. Just a passing by cameo and lots of mentions. Talking is not an obligatory part of a cameo. And battle-grunting sounds are hardly voice in case of the HoF helping us fight someone
thought the neverine gained immortality during a quest he got killed off?Suurre, how convinient it is that the Warden dies right now so everyone can forget about themNope, never Not it wouldn't. Even Nerevarine's death is better. At least there was enough mystery for headcanoners... though it's pretty clear what actually happened, unfortunatellyKilling off such a beloved and important person off-screen due to a thing which doesn't even kill is just lame. In the worst way. If they just have to kill the Warden, let the Warden die like a hero she/he is, while battling some epic monster onscreen and saving the dayAgain, no one demands the Warden to become a fully-made NPC. Just a passing by cameo and lots of mentions. Talking is not an obligatory part of a cameo. And battle-grunting sounds are hardly voice in case of the HoF helping us fight someone
thought the neverine gained immortality during a quest he got killed off?
Well, during the Oblivion crisis he travelled to Akavir and was never seen again ever since
Though it's never really stated he died... but, hmph, it's pretty clear sth bad happened if he (and the canon Nerevarine is a male dunmer, probably hlaalu if he helped to stop the slavery) left his homeland to crumble
It's easier to headcanon that our Nerevarines just don't care or too ashamed to return after being such a failure
Suurre, how convinient it is that the Warden dies right now so everyone can forget about them
Nope, never
Not it wouldn't. Even Nerevarine's death is better. At least there was enough mystery for headcanoners... though it's pretty clear what actually happened, unfortunatelly
Killing off such a beloved and important person off-screen due to a thing which doesn't even kill is just lame. In the worst way. If they just have to kill the Warden, let the Warden die like a hero she/he is, while battling some epic monster onscreen and saving the day
Again, no one demands the Warden to become a fully-made NPC. Just a passing by cameo and lots of mentions. Talking is not an obligatory part of a cameo. And battle-grunting sounds are hardly voice in case of the HoF helping us fight someone
Which would hardly serve much of any further purpose than that, now would it. Or any at all, given that Wardens already proved their worth within DA:O itself, through just such a sacrifice of our, the player's, choice too if we so wished.
Warden PCs already are quite intensely remembered either way, and will continue to be for as long as DA:O's story-line will be mentioned in the further games, and "passing mentions", which the developers hinted at would be part of DA:I anyhow certainly do not require their physical presence.
You compared this with ME3's "ending drama" at one point. I'd argue that that is not valid at all: one of the things pointed out about ME3's contrived end is that it literally came out of nowhere. In DA's case, we have known since DA:O what is in the cards for the Warden-PC. And if you like to imagine your Warden PCs going down amid a heap of baddies? I don't see how sending them off through the "Calling" would not leave sufficient room for this.
Which would hardly serve much of any further purpose than that, now would it. Or any at all, given that Wardens already proved their worth within DA:O itself, through just such a sacrifice of our, the player's, choice too if we so wished.
Warden PCs already are quite intensely remembered either way, and will continue to be for as long as DA:O's story-line will be mentioned in the further games, and "passing mentions", which the developers hinted at would be part of DA:I anyhow certainly do not require their physical presence.
You compared this with ME3's "ending drama" at one point. I'd argue that that is not valid at all: one of the things pointed out about ME3's contrived end is that it literally came out of nowhere. In DA's case, we have known since DA:O what is in the cards for the Warden-PC. And if you like to imagine your Warden PCs going down amid a heap of baddies? I don't see how sending them off through the "Calling" would not leave sufficient room for this.
It's just wrong. DAO and the Warden introduced us to the Thedas, they deserve respect like them or not. Just like those old arcade games I personally never played but I still respect them and their creators. They were the beginning, they were the past. Without past there wouldn't be today, there won't be tomorrow
No, they are not. We hardly hear anything about them. Even in DA2 there was very little.
Physical presence would be epic. It'd be like... 5-min version of Avengers. Short, but awesome
No, Calling doesn't kill the Warden anyway. And if Alistair is fine, then Warden should be as well. There is no reason beyond "Let's-just-get-rid-of-them-already-who-cares?". And we were given whole two characters who may be able to postpone the outcome, to get rid of the negative effects: Avernus and Architect. The epilogues also mentioned that though DA:O/DA:A is over, the Warden's story isn't
Again, killing off such important characters off-screen in some lame darkspawn mob fight is just terrible and that's it
I will HATE it if they delegate a quest to Hawke. While I liked the character in his own game, this is not his game. Inquisitor pc ONLY!
You do know that concepts of DA2's planned Expansion carried over to DA:I, right? It makes sense for Hawke to be more than a short cameo. Especially considering how important Hawke is to the conflict, heck expect to see Hawke there to congratulate you after you beat the "big bad" before the Post-Game starts up.
Just finished reading through this thread. Good arguments flying around here.
First off I'll admit to liking the Warden way, way more than Hawke. The Warden was me and Hawke was just... Hawke. But even so I agree to some extent with those who say Hawke has a role in Inquisition and the Warden doesn't, or at least not as big of a role.
Hawke played a considerable part in the beginnings of the Mage rebellion and then there is Corypheus and that expansion that was cancelled. And as many have argued before, bringing back the Warden in a way that satisfies everyone is impossible due to him/her not having a voice. Sad but true...
Still I don't see this as an excuse to give the Warden another DA2- treatment by giving him/her a few minor mentions about things we already know happened. There has to be some references on what the Warden is doing right now and/or in the past when we, the players, weren't assuming direct control. For example; Why did the Warden disappear as mentioned by Leliana in the DA2 epilogue.
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