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[myahele]

I'm not a fan of Flemeth as the Formless One, but it's a possibility based on what we know.

 

Gaxkang in DAO was powerful sloth (?) demon that would spread rumors of treasure and once these adventurers get to X area they slowly die and I thing possessed a mage(s)

 

DA2 one was a pride

 

ME and maybe DAI has Imshael the spirit of Choice

 

What demon/ spirit would Formless One be? If we take into consideration Flemeth it could be Deals. According to legend she made a deal  with her husband, eventually she made a deal with a powerful demon. She also makes deals with the Dalish and most importantly makes deals Calenhad (?), Maric, Warden and Hawke.

 

Assuming Flemeth is possessed by Formless One that'll still make them an abomination of sorts...and human.

 

I personally think Flemeth is a Great Dragon that can shapeshift or whose soul resided in a witch

[PapaSmurfer]

I'm of the camp that Flemeth is either Andraste of an Old God (or both).

 

1. Her legend matches up to the legend of Andraste very well, and it could have been twisted over time. 

 

2. She can shapeshift into a dragon. Who's to say that she isn't a dragon that can shapeshift into a human? Doesn't she herself make this point at the beginning of DA2?

 

3. Dragon cults often believe that Andraste can take dragon form.

 

4. She's virtually immortal. We don't know the extent of her power, but we do know that she's very, very hard to kill. Also, this sort of power would seem to make Morrigan's theory (that Flemeth steals the bodies of her daughters) potentially obsolete.

 

4.a. If this isn't the case - conspiracy theory that I don't really believe - what if Flemeth is an Old God who stole Andraste's body?

 

In any case, she is difficult to pin down, and I don't think we'll ever find out what she is, anyway.

 

5. We know she's not human.

[LightningPoodle]

I'm of the camp that Flemeth is either Andraste of an Old God (or both).

 

1. Her legend matches up to the legend of Andraste very well, and it could have been twisted over time. 

 

2. She can shapeshift into a dragon. Who's to say that she isn't a dragon that can shapeshift into a human? Doesn't she herself make this point at the beginning of DA2?

 

3. Dragon cults often believe that Andraste can take dragon form.

 

4. She's virtually immortal. We don't know the extent of her power, but we do know that she's very, very hard to kill. Also, this sort of power would seem to make Morrigan's theory (that Flemeth steals the bodies of her daughters) potentially obsolete.

 

4.a. If this isn't the case - conspiracy theory that I don't really believe - what if Flemeth is an Old God who stole Andraste's body?

 

In any case, she is difficult to pin down, and I don't think we'll ever find out what she is, anyway.

 

5. We know she's not human.

 

I don't think it would become obsolete. Doesn't Morrigan say she remembers Flemeth being younger? The only way you could tell is by looking younger, you don't necessarily have to be younger. Perhaps it is her body starting to wither. If she is to continue striking deals with mortals, she would need a younger body. It provides more opportunities than an older one could provide.

[silentspec111]

Yes she is returning and im guessing will somehow have a hand in saving or maybe nudging the PC to his fated role as the Inquisitor...the same she did for the Warden and Hawke

[Reptillius]

Remembering Flemeth Looking younger could potentially be a trick of magic.  Flemeth has been doing this long enough she has to be more than aware enough of the consenquences of not appearing to age.  Which means she would have developed some way to seem to do exactly that.  Make herself look fairly young when she moves into an area and age slowly and she could easily spend 50 to 60 years... if not more in the same area.  Where as if she doesn't seem to age at all then she might be lucky if she can last more than 20 in one spot.  Making going un-noticed much more difficult.

 

If I were in some way immortal this is one of the first tricks I would come up with to be undetected.  by the time it would be for me to move on I could reverse my looks and only a very few that I wouldn't be around anymore would be any the wiser because people would really only remember what the old me looked like. Not the young me.

 

And if her... and even Sandal... are something else altogether who is to say they can't just outright control their appearance of ageing and be just as young or as old as they want to be at any time?

[BlueMagitek]

A miserable pile of secrets, I would imagine. :/

 

With a heck of a lot of magic power behind her!

[HellaciousHutch]

Flemeth is probably the big-bad of the entire Dragon Age Universe. I wouldn't expect to fight her, or encounter her as a major antagonistic force until quite some time down the road.

[Reptillius]

See. I myself don't see Flemeth as bad. Or the eventual big-bad to be down the road(Morrigan on the other hand...)  I see her more like the Wyrd Sisters or the Fates.  There to not quite impassively guide history down certain paths for better or worse.

 

So if it is an "old god" type scenerio I agree with some of the others that she's the dreadwolf. Able to pass between both sets of gods (and mortal man) as she needs and chooses.

[Finnuval]

I believe that the Dread Wolf and the Maker are actually the same God. The Dread Wolf being a trickster God that led the other Gods away (sending the fallen ones below just like the Maker seals the Old Gods deep within the earth...) leaving him as...the one true God. Being a trickster it wouldnt be hard for him to spin that tale to have the people follow him

 

Now enter Andraste aka Flemeth... both have similar legends to them involving betrayel, uprising and a god (or suspected spirit/demon in Flemeth's case) guiding them. Some of Flemeth's comments in both Origins and DA2 could easily be used to support this...

 

Just by looking to the natural progression of stories and legends in our own world it could easily have changed to fit the needs of certain groups in Thedas like the chantry and the cult.

 

Anyway it's only speculation but one I personally do like a lot

 

 

I also don't believe Flemeth to be evil in fact, but that's a whole other story for another time

[Reptillius]

I personally don't think the Dreadwolf and the Maker have anything to do with each other.  It's not really a trick worth playing and it doesn't seem to fit what pieces we do know about the Dreadwolf.  he lead the gods of both sides away because of the way they treated those below them. Doesn't sound like he'd just turn around and basically do the same thing.

 

As for Andraste and Flemeth. It's a common story archetype that likely has many versions in Thedas. We're just hearing about two of the most famous ones.  It's particularly common for say... a Dark Heroine type character sadly.  Innocent and loved but gets betrayed by men close to her in some way and then gets blessed in some way by a greater power to get their revenge or otherwise take on "unfeminine" roles such as skilled military leadership.  Thedas doesn't seem to escape this even if it is in many ways a more sexually unbiased world overall. 

[Colfer]

If you take a look at the latest trailer, towards the end there's a fight between two dragons. I'm pretty sure one of them is Flemeth. As for the other dragon, could it be Morrigan? 

I thought I was the only one who thought Flemeth was one of those dragons. Anyone think Flemeth will some how save the Inquistor? She has saved every Dragon Age Hero ever. Maric and Loghain, The Warden, and Hawke. That sly woman has been creeping around for sometime.

[Aulis Vaara]

Flemeth likes the Elves, so she has to related to them somehow. I think she's a creator.

[Katsirae]

I think she may be a fragment of a trapped old god actively working a long term plan to free herself through the actions and events in Thedas,

[catabuca]

I don't think Flemeth is Andraste. If they're never going to confirm nor deny the existence of the Maker, confirming Andraste's real-life presence would be a step towards confirming the Maker, and perhaps a step too far in that case.

 

Although, of course, just because the stories tell of Andraste speaking to the Maker, etc., doesn't mean that actually happened, while Andraste could still be a real person. I quite like that Celene (I think?) said in The Masked Empire that she'd always rather fancied that Andraste was more a political figure than a religious icon.

 

I just feel like having Flemeth be Andraste is a bit too grand and obvious. I used to favour that she was one of the remaining Old Gods, but too many questions remain unanswered with that.

 

I also toyed with the idea of her being Fen'Harel. She certainly is a trickster. That being said, just because she seems to have some link to the Dalish that goes back an awfully long time, that doesn't mean she has to automatically be the Dread Wolf.

 

This thread is the first time I've seen it suggested she could be The Formless One. I'd be down with that. It gives her suitable status, without making her so impossibly important to all of Thedas' history and lore that she becomes a super special snowflake.

 

Back in 2013, when BioWare did one of their first streams announcing DAI, someone put together a bullet point list of all the things they were letting us know about so far. I looked back at that list last week, and there were a few things on it I'd forgotten. One of them was that the questions around Morrigan and Flemeth will be resolved in DAI.

 

That's what I heard on the road, anyhow. Take it for what it is.

[Sifr]

Flemeth likes the Elves, so she has to related to them somehow. I think she's a creator.

 

I don't know about her being a Creator, but I think part of the reason she likes the Dalish is because they are the only group smart enough to know not to screw with her and show her the respect that she deserves!

[enson8502]

About Flemeth being Andraste, I like the idea... but didn't the Warden find Andraste's ashes? Wich means that if Flemeth is Andraste, she would have had to find another body before being burned? Or, her soul moved to a fetus after being burned? Or Andraste never was burned and the Warden found 'magical' ashes from somebody else? Maybe I missed something, but this theory is not that clear to me.

[Aulis Vaara]

I don't know about her being a Creator, but I think part of the reason she likes the Dalish is because they are the only group smart enough to know not to screw with her and show her the respect that she deserves!

No. She said that The People bend knee too easily, so that does not make sense.

[Elrodeus]

No. She said that The People bend knee too easily, so that does not make sense.

Exactly. I love Flemeth's character, and even though she appears to be a manipulator, I'd be a bit disappointed if she does indeed turn out to be a villain in some way. Perhaps it was the way she said it to Merrill but when I heard her say what she said to Merrill it appeared she had some sympathy in her voice. Almost as if saying, you shouldn't be bowing to anyone. After playing DA2 I was of the mindset that Flemeth may have more connection to the elven pantheon that we just don't understand yet.

 

I really enjoy her character, and in retrospect I feel that Morrigan was just a scared young girl that only partially understood what she was dealing with and reacted hastily to kill off her mother after being fearful that she'd lose her own life.  If I recall the beginning of DA2 properly I believe it went a little something like this...

 

Hawke: "I can't tell if you're talking about your daughter or an enemy." (in reference to Morrigan)

Flemeth: *Laughs and smiles* "Neither is she."

[Tevinter Soldier]

Well I still think Flemeth and Andraste are the same person.

 

I personally support this idea.