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[Doominike]

I'd have removed the big leather gloves and changed the colors at least. Also it looked ridiculous in a kinda funny way on Bull

[Sanguinerin]

The empresses dress is an example of what i wanted

 

 

That would have been lovely!

 

Celene, I must tell you about a serious plot... *As she comes forward, rip the gown off and put it on...*

 

Maybe you'll get court approval for being incredibly bold!

 

... Or death. Either way it's worth it!

[carolxs]

It would be awesome if the Inquisitor was given a choice, by Josie or whoever:
"How do you want the Inquisition crew to present themselves at the ball? Millitary formal attire would show them we are there as an institution and gain their respect as a group, while more extravagant dresses and gowns would present us as players in The Game, and possibly gain the favor of some noble families."

Then after the ball, depending on your choices, different missions become available at the war table. Maybe if you choose military outfit you get people asking you for help in conflicts or proposing military alliances, while the choice for gowns gets you involved in nobility issues. It seems frivolous but it would be quite believable, actually. The way you present yourself makes people feel you are one of them.

That being said, I must say I love the game and I like the mission. I did not dislike the formal attire, but it really seemed off character in Leliana and Vivienne... My girly side was hoping for gowns especially while dancing with Cullen, who looked like a fairy tale Prince, but yeah, ok, BioWare did a good work, anyway. The conversation bugs annoy me much more than this.

I would gladly pay for a DLC with gowns for the ball, though =P

[RinuCZ]

My jaw dropped in surprise when I saw all members of group wear the collar attire. Pretty awesome and darn good looking.

[Winged Silver]

When I saw Leliana in the military outfit, all I could think of was how she would disapprove of the boots she was forced to wear

 

I'm all for the choice. For some people, the military outfit is a great fit and works extremely well for their characters. For others, something a little more....frilly would've made a nice change of pace. I'll happily exchange some clipping of the ball gown just for the option to have it (and my Inquisitor Lavellan would totally climb a trellis in a dress. No cares right there).

[spacefiddle]

I don't understand "animation issues" when the cutscenes are plainly using the ingame engine and plenty of NPCs are wearing more ornate outfits.  One word:

 

Spoiler

Morrigan.

 

The outfit you get at that mission looks like the Nutcracker.  And then, rofl, you keep it at the end, and get the schematic for it... just in case you wanted a Nutcracker jacket with no upgrade slots to go save the world in.  Oh well.  On the whole, where the art team was allowed to be creative, I love what they've done.  I don't get all the spikey bits of things, and some of the style choices I don't like seem to have been rushed (schem 1 is a boot.  schem 2 is the same boot with a metal plate.  schem 3 is the same boot with another metal plate...).

 

However this time I think it's just a choice they went with.  It evokes a kind of Prussian Nobleman kind of feel, but... then they went "Inquisition!  Bright scarlet!" and I think that was a mistake xD.  Also... guys... a belt OVER a sash?  Is this the Thedas version of hipsters wearing a belt with suspenders? C'mon.

 

There are some mods that recolor it.  It's hard to unsee the Nutcracker Jacket, but see how you feel about it with alternate palettes and/or patterns. You can find them all here at Nexusmods (link to site).

 

Blue and white:

Spoiler

 

Black and navy sash with an added white pattern:

Spoiler

 

Dark olive-ish with tan and a purple sash:

Spoiler

 

While you are still wearing the unisex officer's jacket, I think the point was to emphasize the Inquisition as a growing military power, and the underlying seriousness of your mission.  Therefore excessive frippery might be out of place.

 

But that red.... xD

 

Edit: the images are actually images now.

Edit again: SURE WOULD BE NICE IF I GAVE YOU THE LINK TO THE ACTUAL MODS EH HAHA i need coffee or something.

[Wrath_Of_Deadguy]

I love the Halamshiral outfit and its color choices to death and I want to wear it while I'm in Skyhold instead of holding court in those silly looking pyjamas.

[HomuraAkemi]

Two words: SHOULDER PADS.  Ugh.  It's like an old Prussian military uniform.  I feel like this uniform and the male-pattern balding hairstyles are just two of the more egregious examples of how the developers are neglecting Fem!inquistors.  The uniform looked so ridiculous on my Fem!Inquisitor and the other women that it took me out of the game.  I'd take clippage over that eyesore anyday.  Even Femshep got a dress in one of the ME2 DLC.  Come on, guys!

[Sarielle]

I think it's more that many female players don't like the whole 'girly' look. At least that's what I've gathered from being on the forums.

 

I like the girly look, and I've always been something of a tomboy -- play sports, minimal makeup, I'd rather watch action movies than romantic comedies etc.

 

... but I still like to look girly sometimes. I don't have to walk/dress like a man to take myself seriously, or be taken seriously. I wear men's shorts to work out (they're just more comfortable, dangit), but I don't wear men's pants to a cocktail party.

 

I'm glad Bioware offers more typically "masculine" clothing for both sexes, and I like a lot of the more gender neutral armor designs -- several of my femquisitors prefer them. But I'd kill for at least the option of something along the lines of Vivienne's lovely robes for a ball, which have a pants portion (practical) and are already well-animated.

 

I think there's definitely a vocal contingent of the gender-neutral/no sexy walk crowd. It's impossible to say it's the majority, though.

[spacefiddle]

I love the Halamshiral outfit and its color choices to death and I want to wear it while I'm in Skyhold instead of holding court in those silly looking pyjamas.

 

I definitely agree with half of that sentence 

[Uccio]

Anyone else noticed the ammo pack on Inq´s back?

[Zobert]

I think Bioware makes decisions based not on what people like but what people will be offended by.  A gown would have offended a lot of the people on this forum.

[Sarielle]

I think Bioware makes decisions based not on what people like but what people will be offended by.  A gown would have offended a lot of the people on this forum.

 

You could be right, but that's a terrible design philosophy. We live in an age of manufactured outrage -- somebody is always going to be able to spin SOMEthing to be offensive.

 

"I'm offended by the uniforms because Bioware is pushing the stereotype that you have to take on masculine attributes to be taken seriously." There, see how easy that was? I'm DON'T actually believe that -- I think the dev who made the decision to allocate resources to something other than a decent ball gown/robe/thing-that's-not-a-man's-uniform was probably not female and didn't think it was important -- but anything can be spun into outrage.

 

Bioware will get way more feedback from people who think something is wrong that people who are fully happy with their "girly walk" or whatever and would never consider posting on a forum to say "yay girly walk!"

[Sjofn]

Okay, so since Femquisitor is indeed wearing the exact same outfit as ManQuisitor to the ball ( I thought there were differences at first, but upon closer inspection they are exactly the same, and plus Leliana is also wearing it apparently), the fact that she is wearing men's formal wear, to me, sends a sort of message.  She's making an appearance here as leader of the Inquisition. She's less concerned about primping and wants to represent the Inquisition. She's in no-nonsense apparel. 

 

This impression that I get would work extremely well for the badass, no-nonsense military female that I would ideally want to play as if I make a female PC.  This men's apparel is something that she would totally wear.

 

However, the lulzy part that will utterly ruin the effect is the fact that Femquisitor will still exhibit the sex walk when you move her around the ballroom outside of cutscenes despite wearing this men's suit.  Lmao.

 

My main problem with this attitude (which has come up again and again, this one was just the first that struck me, early on in the thread) is that it dismisses femininity as less powerful and serious, which is ... not a good message. Vivienne's outfit when you first meet her is absolutely feminine (and not entirely practical) but I don't think anyone would accuse her of being less powerful, not a bad-ass or anything like that. Not within earshot, anyway.

 

No, Vivienne's outfit wouldn't fit most of my lady Inquisitors. They would go for the frump BECAUSE of this attitude that femininity is "weak" and "less serious" and "frivolous." But some of my lady Inquisitors would own that sh*t, just like Vivienne does.

 

(Speaking of Vivienne, I refuse to bring her to the Ball any more because I feel bad that not only is she stuck in a frumpy uniform, she doesn't even get to wear her glorious hat.)

 

 

I guess put me down for "we really should've gotten a choice." Still, that outfit looks way more interesting than the awful Skyhold outfit!

[spacefiddle]

It would be awesome if the Inquisitor was given a choice, by Josie or whoever:
"How do you want the Inquisition crew to present themselves at the ball? "

 

That would have been brilliant.  /smacks forehead.  I didn't even think of that.  Sadly it looks like no one else did either. 

[Zobert]

Yeah ... I agree. It's one of the things that bothers me about this game. You don't need to dress or look like a man to be powerful and strong. You can, in fact, wear an elegant dress and have feminine traits and be a strong, courageous leader.

 

I agree but I would refer you to any number of females on here that protested the look of more traditionally feminine women or voluptuous women like Isabella.  I think Bioware would rather not make people happy with gowns rather than tick off people with gowns.

[spacefiddle]

 

My main problem with this attitude (which has come up again and again, this one was just the first that struck me, early on in the thread) is that it dismisses femininity as less powerful and serious, which is ... not a good message. Vivienne's outfit when you first meet her is absolutely feminine (and not entirely practical) 

 

...

 

(Speaking of Vivienne, I refuse to bring her to the Ball any more because I feel bad that not only is she stuck in a frumpy uniform, she doesn't even get to wear her glorious hat.)

 

To your first point:  here's the difference in imagery.  The male characters (mostly) do not wear open-throat silk poet shirts or show of their pecs (Varric, I'm looking in your direction), nor does Cullen make sure to wear armor that shows off his ass.

 

Does that mean they aren't "masculine" because they don't display physical attributes?  It's not just imagery of "male versus female," it is vulnerability versus power.  Why does "feminine" have to be synonymous with "showing off the physical?"  Isn't that a kind of flat, one-dimensional definition of the feminine that actually reinforces this sort of sexist divide?

 

The displays of Cullen in his armor, or Bull with a giant honking sword on his back, are of power.

 

What ends up happening is that we unconsciously mis-wire "masculine" to "powerful" and "feminine" to "sexy."  We tie together four completely separate concepts together in ways that are entirely arbitrary, and reinforce existing gender roles.  I left your quote off at "not entirely practical."  Cullen in tights with his arse hanging out and his biceps showing would be a fine display of masculinity to anyone appreciative who was looking - but would he look as powerful to you as he does in his rugged fur-necked armor?

 

Nope.

 

Yet someone who would realistically trip over their own four-inch heels and die, 3 seconds into combat, is supposed to be considered powerful.  Why?  She's sexy.

 

It's an insidious inference that most people don't really ever examine.  Your femininity doesn't count unless you are flaunting body parts and look visually appealing.  Your masculinity doesn't count unless you are flaunting power and displaying no vulnerability.

 

This is a very complex idea to untangle, since it's woven so tightly into our culture, perceptions, and thinking, that it's a major effort to even see the edges of it.  And it's late and I'm not going to get any more coherent if I keep rambling on .  So consider the above in that light, and see if you understand what I'm highlighting, even if you don't agree with the conclusions.

 

Second part of your post highlighted because that hat.

 

Final point to ponder: why are Fem and Masc visual ideas?  Isn't your behaviour, thinking, attitude, expression, and a host of other things far more important?  If clothing is "masculine" or "feminine," then the person wearing them becomes a secondary consideration to their appearance.

 

One to mull over .

[Sarielle]

@Spacefiddle: Powerful can be expressed in different ways. In DAI context: In Orlais, power is playing The Game -- and part of The Game is how you dress. The uniform we get is very plain compared even to the male Orlesian fashions, and it's not "feminine" because it's built around a male frame, not a female one. It accentuates a male frame, not a female one.

 

The ballgowns we see don't really show that much skin, and a feminine version of a pants uniform could easily exist -- if it were actually designed with a female frame in mind from the start, but it obviously wasn't.

 

Are you saying Vivienne and Varric don't seem powerful because we see skin? If so, we'll have to agree to disagree. It doesn't matter how imposing you dress someone if they don't have the confidence/attitude to back it up. And it doesn't matter how little someone has on, with confidence and attitude they can be intimidating -- just ask the guy at Vivienne's salon. 

 

 

 

Final point to ponder: why are Fem and Masc visual ideas?  Isn't your behaviour, thinking, attitude, expression, and a host of other things far more important?  If clothing is "masculine" or "feminine," then the person wearing them becomes a secondary consideration to their appearance.

 

... wait, so actions can be feminine and people can be feminine, but clothes can't? What? If the person wearing a frilly gown is walking like a gorilla, he/she is not gonna come across as feminine. It's the whole package.

 

EDIT: Typos

[Zobert]

Vulnerability can be many things just as power can be.  Being able to be vulnerable is a power in the right circumstance and unyielding a flaw.  All too often things "traditionally feminine" are chucked for lack of power when really they are things far more powerful than swords.

 

Everything is situational in life.  Not everything traditional is bad, nor is everything traditional good.  The same with progressive ideals and adaptions.

 

When we are too rigid in our classifications even with the best of intentions we lose luster.

[Lady Luminous]

(Speaking of Vivienne, I refuse to bring her to the Ball any more because I feel bad that not only is she stuck in a frumpy uniform, she doesn't even get to wear her glorious hat.)

 

I am 200% bringing Vivienne to the ball because of that horrible uniform. She deserves it after moving my furniture around!

[RinuCZ]

I love the Halamshiral outfit and its color choices to death and I want to wear it while I'm in Skyhold instead of holding court in those silly looking pyjamas.

Haha, exactly. Bring in some mods for Skyhold's default outfit instead. Inquisitor's homey dress is like running around in hoodie in Mass Effect, except less stylish .

[Sanguinerin]

I've seen a lot of the re-colors for the Halamshiral finery at the Nexus, new textures to cover up the Skyhold attire, and even a re-color of Florianne's dress. These things are definitely exciting to sort through!

 

As someone who is in no way familiar with modding, about how difficult would it be to replace the finery look with, for example, one of the NPC dresses? Is anyone who follows this thread familiar enough to explain a bit of that to me?

[DementedSheep]

It looks like military dress uniform and you're there  as leader of the inquisition so it makes sense. You are also there to stop an assassination and you don't know you're going to have time to put armour on if **** goes down.

 

I know caring more about being a decorative piece than actually doing anything useful is a feminine thing now but I'd rather have an inquisitor I can actually respect.