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[Tootles FTW]

Yea, have to admit I got my hopes up when I heard the words "Orlesian ball".  Sigh.

 

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In another life, my darling.  

[AresKeith]

LOL Bioware cannot win.

 

They give you a game with 200+ potential hours of gameplay...

 

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't"

 

"Can't please everyone"

 

[Inquisitor7]

"Closed mouths don't get fed":)

[Medhia_Nox]

@Inquisitor7:  I know you're trying to be lighthearted... but I snarl at anything suggesting that whining is a viable way of life.

 

"Squeaky wheel... should get replaced."  is my motto.

[Swagger7]

Unlike the Skyhold casual clothes, I actually like the fancy uniform for the ball (and possibly other formal occasions) on both male and female Inquisitors.  In fact, swapping the fancy clothes for the casual clothes and just using them in Skyhold would make me very happy.

 

Here comes the "but" though: The lack of choice is still a problem.  I happen to like the outfit, but that was only a case of lucking out and rolling sixes.  I could just as easily have been presented with an outfit I disliked as much as the casual clothes.  So, I'm not going to go around saying "Too bad for you, I like it!" to anyone who doesn't like it, because the lack of choice is still a problem, even if the end result happens to suit me. 

 

Seriously people, before you go around dismissing everyone else's complaints with "I don't see the problem; it looks fine", just imagine the ugliest possible suit of clothes.  You could have been stuck with that instead.  That's what happens when you don't have any player agency in what your character wears.  If you have just a few options to choose from, that scenario becomes much less likely. 

 

So, go ahead and praise the design if you happen to like it, but remember: opinions are subjective, and the best way for the largest number of people to enjoy the game is to have more choices.

[Inquisitor7]

Unlike the Skyhold casual clothes, I actually like the fancy uniform for the ball (and possibly other formal occasions) on both male and female Inquisitors. In fact, swapping the fancy clothes for the casual clothes and just using them in Skyhold would make me very happy.

Here comes the "but" though: The lack of choice is still a problem. I happen to like the outfit, but that was only a case of lucking out and rolling sixes. I could just as easily have been presented with an outfit I disliked as much as the casual clothes. So, I'm not going to go around saying "Too bad for you, I like it!" to anyone who doesn't like it, because the lack of choice is still a problem, even if the end result happens to suit me.

Seriously people, before you go around dismissing everyone else's complaints with "I don't see the problem; it looks fine", just imagine the ugliest possible suit of clothes. You could have been stuck with that instead. That's what happens when you don't have any player agency in what your character wears. If you have just a few options to choose from, that scenario becomes much less likely.

So, go ahead and praise the design if you happen to like it, but remember: opinions are subjective, and the best way for the largest number of people to enjoy the game is to have more choices.

And that's all I ask is more choices I'm not trying to be rude I'm just asking for more clothing I'm not trying to be disrespectful all I want is those options and the game is gold. I never said because I don't like something or because I want something else that I just hate the game and I'm ungrateful. That's what I mean by closed mouths don't get fed. If asking is whining to some so be it that's how I feel.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Inquisitor7:  There's always going to be a limit - "more choices" is a very bad argument because it always means "the choices I want - plus what's already in the game" which is simply impossible because they don't have an infinite amount of resources to make DA:I.

 

And no - I do not believe asking is whining.

 

I believe saying the game is inferior because it doesn't cater to personal preferences is whining - and I'm not saying, or suggesting, that you've made the case.

[Inquisitor7]

Have I suggested that I'm sorry if I did because it wasn't my intention in the slightest and inferior means lesser than so where did I say it was less than that of another game. I think your miss understanding me sir/miss

[GreyLycanTrope]

Trouble with multiple clothing options is that we have a wide array of body types for the inquisitor. Anyone remember how two handed swords had to get shrunk down in DA:O when you equipped it on a dwarf? Ended up looking odd. So yes they can potentially give you more options trouble is actually getting them to look good and function/animate right on all varients. It's more work than one might think, the dress shown from AC works largely because they just had the one model which they could take time to work out all the kinks with, in DA:I they'd have to bacially work the same item of clothing 8 times over with regards to gender and race, and that's all for one apperance.

 

Not to say I'm opposed to the idea in general but it is more effort than some are willing to admit.

[Tootles FTW]

@Inquisitor7:  I know you're trying to be lighthearted... but I snarl at anything suggesting that whining is a viable way of life.

 

"Squeaky wheel... should get replaced."  is my motto.

 

But why must it be classified as whining?  Tone is hard to convey via text, but it's legitimate criticism to those it concerns.  And it is "whining" like this that made, for example, the Garrus romance happen in response to the ME1 feedback.  

/shrug  (I find myself shrugging a lot these days...)

[Inquisitor7]

They make a nice neutral gender outfit..and then threads like this happen. So im just gonna say,

Thank You Bioware for making a nice neutral military suit.

People are a loud to ask for more.Is there truly something wrong with that? I guess I'll stop voicing my opinion because other people are happy with it and sit in a corner with out trying to get some change for me.

[Andir]

They make a nice neutral gender outfit..and then threads like this happen. So im just gonna say,

Thank You Bioware for making a nice neutral millitary suit.

you mean a suggestion thread in the suggestion section? xD if they didn't like feedback, they wouldn't include a topic for it.

 

offering criticism and what you like is not a bad thing. how will they know what people would like to see or see changed if no one mentions it to them? people have said they'd like to see more hair and clothes option in a dlc. people also want more options for the ball in the future, if we go by the replies to this topic. getting feedback from your consumers, good and bad,  is usually quite helpful. some people are interested in game mechanics. some are interested in exploration. some are more interested in crafting. and some are interested in character customization and would like to see more options in that area. 

 

and it's great you love it! but many people have mentioned that they don't see it as neutral. critiquing that and asking for more options in the future is also not bad. : )

 

and thanks again guys for being respectful. let's keep it up! 

[Nefla]

@Inquisitor7:  There's always going to be a limit - "more choices" is a very bad argument because it always means "the choices I want - plus what's already in the game" which is simply impossible because they don't have an infinite amount of resources to make DA:I.

 

And no - I do not believe asking is whining.

 

I believe saying the game is inferior because it doesn't cater to personal preferences is whining - and I'm not saying, or suggesting, that you've made the case.

No one is saying the game is inferior, maybe people are saying certain elements are inferior (like hair) which they are. If people thought DA:I was going to be horrible, they wouldn't take the time to ask for changes or give feedback, they just wouldn't buy it. The people here care about the game and want it to be as good as it can be.

 

Also, how unreasonable is it to ask for the choice for your character to get to wear something that's already in the game. You can bet most if not all noblewomen npcs are going to be wearing dresses, especially at the ball, why is the inquisitor left in the dust? Barring that, why are we not allowed to simply wear our already chosen and personalized armor that we normally wear? That would take zero extra effort. Some of us had been excited for years at the prospect of going to a fancy ball in DA where we would presumably be able to wear a fancy dress like the rest of the women but instead we're forced for no good reason to dress not only as a man, but a nutcracker. You can't see why that's very disappointing?

[Nayawk]

I was never a big fan of the DA2 housecoat or the PJ causal wear we are now seeing in Skyhold but I don't actually mind this given that it is a military dress uniform. It makes sense for a uniform to be exactly that, uniform across all the members of a group.

 

There are many reason militaries have had uniforms, ok the main one is 'don't shoot the guy that looks like you', but morale and a sense of belonging play a part also, as does the power, fear and awe factor.  I take it that going to the ball is about presenting a powerful united front and nothing say power quite like a matching snazzy suits on a group of badasses.

[duckley]

Not an issue only of a lack of choice, it is an issue of what is appropriate dress for an Orlesian Ball, particularly when you are trying to get support for a just cause. Kind of like wearing jeans to a fancy political event - would certainly be seen as disrespectful by some - not going win friends and influence people....

[The Baconer]

Also, how unreasonable is it to ask for the choice for your character to get to wear something that's already in the game. You can bet most if not all noblewomen npcs are going to be wearing dresses, especially at the ball, why is the inquisitor left in the dust?

 
Because, people will b**** about not being able to wear a dress to the ball. So Bioware puts in the dress, and now people are b****ing about their female Inquisitor hulking around like a gorilla in cutscenes, sitting improperly, clipping, whatever. Bioware simply chose to deal with the smaller headache.
 
Now having a variety of available outfits for the ball (and for Skyhold) is definitely something I can get behind. I personally don't think the uniform truly captures my Inquisitor's prestige. I want to get my Charles Lee on:

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[AresKeith]

Also, how unreasonable is it to ask for the choice for your character to get to wear something that's already in the game. You can bet most if not all noblewomen npcs are going to be wearing dresses, especially at the ball, why is the inquisitor left in the dust? Barring that, why are we not allowed to simply wear our already chosen and personalized armor that we normally wear? That would take zero extra effort. Some of us had been excited for years at the prospect of going to a fancy ball in DA where we would presumably be able to wear a fancy dress like the rest of the women but instead we're forced for no good reason to dress not only as a man, but a nutcracker. You can't see why that's very disappointing?

 

I can try to answer this part the best I can with limited knowledge

 

The inquisitor can't wear a dress because of animation, and from what we know about the ball that's a legit reason as why it would be difficult to animate along with having to do it to 4 body types

[Nefla]

I can try to answer this part the best I can with limited knowledge

 

The inquisitor can't wear a dress because of animation, and from what we know about the ball that's a legit reason as why it would be difficult to animate along with having to do it to 4 body types

But a long sheath dress has exactly the same structure as mage robes which are used to run and fight.

[herkles]

 Now having a variety of available outfits for the ball (and for Skyhold) is definitely something I can get behind. I personally don't think the uniform truly captures my Inquisitor's prestige. I want to get my Charles Lee on:

 

you want to go to the ball with a Pomeranian? I don't blame you though, Pomeranian are cute

[Inquisitor7]

I can try to answer this part the best I can with limited knowledge

The inquisitor can't wear a dress because of animation, and from what we know about the ball that's a legit reason as why it would be difficult to animate along with having to do it to 4 body types

arent there two balls?

[AresKeith]

arent there two balls?

 

Not exactly, one is just a party Vivienne has just for you

 

The other actually is a ball that seems to take place during the OCW arc

[Inquisitor7]

Ohhok

[HeyCal]

I posted this in the casual outfit thread as well but moriesartwork on tumblr did some really great designs of their take on formal wear!

 

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The feminine version of the red military suit they did is so nice and I wouldn't have minded wearing that at all! They even added a formal elf outfit as well as a dress design. Loved all 3 to be honest, haha.

http://moriesartwork...this-that-there

[Cdale091]

I love those they are so good!!!!