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[Nefla]

I know what you're going for but... phrasing. 

[In Exile]

 

I'm just debating if it's a uniform for men who are going "nutcracking", or if it's the uniform for "men's nutcracking" (like it's some sort of sporting event, e.g. women's 500 m). 

[Nefla]

I'm just debating if it's a uniform for men who are going "nutcracking", or if it's the uniform for "men's nutcracking" (like it's some sort of sporting event, e.g. women's 500 m). 

Ask the Inquisitor:

[In Exile]

Ask the Inquisitor:

 

Silly Nefla, that's not the Inquisitor! We all know hair that long isn't possibly supported by the engine. 

[Nefla]

Silly Nefla, that's not the Inquisitor! We all know hair that long isn't possibly supported by the engine. 

T_T

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Your gonna have to, you're representing the Inquisition (a military organization) in a formal ball

 

.... Unless we all got the whole thing wrong and the Inquisitor (and Leliana) snuck into the ball dressing as other people

 

 

Which would have them animating all of that on multiple body types which would be time consuming for one mission 

 

It doesn't make sense that the leader of said military organization wouldn't be able to choose the rules or uniform.

 

How would animating them be time consuming? The armors are already animated, the nutcracker suit is already modeled and shares the same animations with the skyhold outfit and similar close fitting pant armors. One extra feminine option would share animations with mage robes since they have the same silhouette. As for the modeling itself...they make dozens of armor sets, some even just for preorder bonuses and such. I don't see how adding one extra would have been overwhelming. I would have been satisfied with at least being able to wear my pre-existing armor that I was already wearing and just pick the prettiest robes (even for warriors and rogues) or armor for the occasion myself.

DAI doesn't even have bodytypes.

 

I'm not sure that's how animations work and that you can just share it with the robes. In any case it wouldn't be a monumental task. The skyhold and nutcracker outfits aren't even animated, most clothing aren't, they are just "skinned" which tells the game how much of each area move in sync with the character's normal animations. It's sorta like painting. But that's the extent of my knowledge I don't know how things that move with physics work.

 

Now that Ares has mentioned bodytypes though, I guess Bioware were just too lazy to make different sized dresses for Qunari and Dwarves?

[AresKeith]

DAI doesn't even have bodytypes.

 

I'm not sure that's how animations work and that you can just share it with the robes. In any case it wouldn't be a monumental task. The skyhold and nutcracker outfits aren't even animated, most clothing aren't, they are just "skinned" which tells the game how much of each area move in sync with the character's normal animations. It's sorta like painting. But that's the extent of my knowledge I don't know how things that move with physics work.

 

Now that Ares has mentioned bodytypes though, I guess Bioware were just too lazy to make different sized dresses for Qunari and Dwarves?

 

Umm DA:I does have bodytype, the PC has a total of 8 bodytypes 

 

So now Bioware is lazy because they chose to put priority of other parts of game? 

[herkles]

Over in the Cassandra thread, someone posted fan-art of what cassandra might look like if she got dressed up for the ball, and damn is this dress pretty and rather awesome looking. Stylish without being over the top. If this was an option for the ball, again option, I would be happy. 

 

 

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[Snook]

Hair and dresses might be manageable eventually from an animation standpoint, but adjustable body types would be a complete nightmare, especially on top of the different races.

 

Unless you want things like your love interest being absorbed into your slightly larger chest that the animators couldn't possibly account for when you hug them. There's a reason games with that kind of customization aren't usually very heavy on the cinematic front. 

[Nefla]

DAI doesn't even have bodytypes.

 

I'm not sure that's how animations work and that you can just share it with the robes. In any case it wouldn't be a monumental task. The skyhold and nutcracker outfits aren't even animated, most clothing aren't, they are just "skinned" which tells the game how much of each area move in sync with the character's normal animations. It's sorta like painting. But that's the extent of my knowledge I don't know how things that move with physics work.

 

Now that Ares has mentioned bodytypes though, I guess Bioware were just too lazy to make different sized dresses for Qunari and Dwarves?

I just meant that they could use some robes and retexture/recolor/reskin them (that's what they do for most of the "new" clothing in SWtOR >.< )

[KBomb]

Umm DA:I does have bodytype, the PC has a total of 8 bodytypes

So now Bioware is lazy because they chose to put priority of other parts of game?

I think priority may have been a big issue with what made it and what did not. I would love to have some different outfits to choose from, but the improvements they did give us-- when they didn't have to, makes me not want to complain about the things I believe are small fry. (I am not minimizing anyone's grievance, merely speaking for myself)

They gave us races and two extra LI's. Also, wasn't Iron Bull supposed to have been race gated, but Weekes(can't remember for sure) put in extra hours and worked hard to make it fit? I am also sure I read somewhere that a few more missions were added, as well, though I could be wrong about that.

Anyway, I am not even going to pretend to know what goes into scaling, animations and whatever else goes into clothing- but maybe with everything they added, they just didn't see it as priority, or felt resource could be put toward something else, like a few more armor types.

[AresKeith]

I think priority may have been a big issue with what made it and what did not. I would love to have some different outfits to choose from, but the improvements they did give us-- when they didn't have to, makes me not want to complain about the things I believe are small fry. (I am not minimizing anyone's grievance, merely speaking for myself)

They gave us races and two extra LI's. Also, wasn't Iron Bull supposed to have been race gated, but Weekes(can't remember for sure) put in extra hours and worked hard to make it fit? I am also sure I read somewhere that a few more missions were added, as well, though I could be wrong about that.

 

It was John Epler who put in extra hours to make IB available to everyone lol

 

Anyway, I am not even going to pretend to know what goes into scaling, animations and whatever else goes into clothing- but maybe with everything they added, they just didn't see it as priority, or felt resource could be put toward something else, like a few more armor types.

 

Yea, I personally don't all the details myself but I gain some insight on some of it by chatting with developers 

 

Imo, I feel that the inclusion of multiple races had some part in them being bumped down on the list of priorities 

[Gothfather]

Isn't context important? The inquisition is a quasi religious, quasi military organization. As an organization that is military wouldn't it seem natural to take the lead on how the military handle this?

 

As i understand it if you are invited to a formal event and you go as a represntative of the military you wear a dress uniform which is pretty much the exact same for both genders. It seems to be that is exactly what the screenshot shows. So it seems perfectly natural that a female inquisitor would wear a uniform vs a dress. You don't exactly get a choice on what dress uniform you wear, you wear the one teh military provided you period.

[KBomb]

It was John Epler who put in extra hours to make IB available to everyone lol


Yea, I personally don't all the details myself but I gain some insight on some of it by chatting with developers

Imo, I feel that the inclusion of multiple races had some part in them being bumped down on the list of priorities

Oh, yes. Epler was the one. Thanks!

I imagine adding the extra races soaked up a lot of resource and time, neither of which are infinite. Personally, if I had to pick between choosing race and decorating my home (I love the alchemy garden), or a wardrobe, I would choose the former. I know some wouldn't, but it's what I'd do.

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Umm DA:I does have bodytype, the PC has a total of 8 bodytypes 

 

So now Bioware is lazy because they chose to put priority of other parts of game? 

Bodytype implies customizing of your character within the same race/species. All humans are identical.

 

I just meant that they could use some robes and retexture/recolor/reskin them (that's what they do for most of the "new" clothing in SWtOR >.< )

Yeah I do think the robes look great and definitely seems a bit of waste being used as "armour". But they might be slightly raggedy for a ball idk. I'd love it for the casual outfit. and lol yes swtor with the cartel retexture packs

 

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Isn't context important? The inquisition is a quasi religious, quasi military organization. As an organization that is military wouldn't it seem natural to take the lead on how the military handle this?

 

As i understand it if you are invited to a formal event and you go as a represntative of the military you wear a dress uniform which is pretty much the exact same for both genders. It seems to be that is exactly what the screenshot shows. So it seems perfectly natural that a female inquisitor would wear a uniform vs a dress. You don't exactly get a choice on what dress uniform you wear, you wear the one teh military provided you period.

It's possible, but we need more context. It doesn't really seem right for a ball. Especially if we're dancing. If it was a knighting ceremony or something then yeah totally.

[AresKeith]

Bodytype implies customizing of your character within the same race/species. All humans are identical.

Body models then?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Isn't context important? The inquisition is a quasi religious, quasi military organization. As an organization that is military wouldn't it seem natural to take the lead on how the military handle this?

 

As i understand it if you are invited to a formal event and you go as a represntative of the military you wear a dress uniform which is pretty much the exact same for both genders. It seems to be that is exactly what the screenshot shows. So it seems perfectly natural that a female inquisitor would wear a uniform vs a dress. You don't exactly get a choice on what dress uniform you wear, you wear the one teh military provided you period.

The problem with this is that there are and have been military leaders who wear dresses at formal occasions such as balls. Even today, it wouldn't be out of place to see a woman soldier or officer wearing a dress for a ball or formal occasion. Especially when, like this ball's case, the attendees are clearly wearing dresses.

 

I don't expect to see female Chevaliers wearing uniforms while at the ball, so why should the Female Inquisitor be the odd one out?  

[Cdale091]

Yes, but there is also such a thing as far too much criticism; which is what is happening now...not just in this thread, but certain other threads. When there is too much critisim: people just switch off mentally..

Yes, but most professionals who are veterans it companies, and who have been doing this for xyz amount of years. Have a pretty strong grasp of criticism. Otherwise they wouldn't allow their fans to post feedback in threads or on forums at all.

[KBomb]

Yes, but most professionals who are veterans it companies, and who have been doing this for xyz amount of years. Have a pretty strong grasp of criticism. Otherwise they wouldn't allow their fans to post feedback in threads or on forums at all.

Sometimes the criticism can weigh a person down, though. Even if it isn't negative. David Gaider wrote a great blog on Tumblr where he talks about fan feedback. Granted, it's more about the toxicity of the forum and how it can bring one down, but I think it lends a great view into how even professionals are just like everyone else in the regard that negative feedback can affect them to the point that they want to stay away from the forum all together.

Keep in mind that I am not saying anyone in this thread is negative or that the criticism is-- but I imagine with some of the feedback that; Bioware should have known better, or that they know how fans feel or wanted, yet added or omitted a feature anyway, or how the are ugly, horrible, etc. or how it seems that every time they excitedly post something for the fans, threads pop up with the paraphrase, "Really, Bioware? Why?", it can seem negative.

I am sure feedback is always welcome and without it, things may never get changed, added or discarded as needed, but I do think sometimes people forget it's not just a "game", but something various people pour their time and effort into. It can be a downer to see a lot of complaints, valid or not.

[MidgetNemo]

I would have liked more options too but since Leliana is wearing the same outfit maybe it won´t look as bad on a female Inquisitor as the Mark of the Assassin outfit looked on female Hawke? Anyway I would have loved an outfit like this 

[Inquisitor7]

I can already tell that if Bioware had given female inquisitors a gown, than half the people would have complained that it either made their character look like barbie, its too girly for their qunari's, they dont think the colour fits with their elf, etc, etc.

They really would never win.

unless they gave the choice of outfits to the player.

[Patchwork]

The problem with the military argument for me is that the Inquisition didn't exist until the veil explosion, there is no set uniform or traditions. What the Inquisitor says goes. 

 

 

I just meant that they could use some robes and retexture/recolor/reskin them (that's what they do for most of the "new" clothing in SWtOR >.< )

 

I know I should think it's bad that SWTOR recycle their armours but the truth is them doing that means I can get an outfit I really like the look of, slap on a dye kit if need be and not have to give in to the price gougers on GTN.  

[AresKeith]

The problem with the military argument for me is that the Inquisition didn't exist until the veil explosion, there is no set uniform or traditions. What the Inquisitor says goes.


I know I should think it's bad that SWTOR recycle their armours but the truth is them doing that means I can get an outfit I really like the look of, slap on a dye kit if need be and not have to give in to the price gougers on GTN.

The Inquisition does exist before you, Cassandra recreated it. You just become the leader after