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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Thank you (Inquistor7) I have been waiting for some one to point this out!!! Everyone keeps saying that the inquisition is a military organization, but in fact you can run the inquisition anyway you wish weather it's militant or diplomatic or even has to do with espionage. It is not a solely militant group that is why we are given the Options to choose which advisors do which tasks or how a keep is run. To say that we are a military group is incorrect we are a group that has military aspects aswell as others. Therefore we should have options in what we wear to the ball by just useing those three options we could have had three choices : A military attire like the one that is in the game.
A diplomatic attire one that is flashy and elegant.
A espionage attire one that allows us to hide in the shadows or disguise ourselves as someone else.
Those would have been fine because at least then we would have gotten an option period.

I hadn't thought of the options being tied to our aspects. That'd be cool. 

 

It would also allow them to provide a feminine, neutral, and masculine outfit, therefore hitting all three groups. 

[Hammerstorm]

One question: Those anybody know the background to this ball? Are we there as honoured guest, resentful invited because Josephine/Vivienne, or are we just uninvited guest that barged in to show our power?

Then there is the fact that there may be many other military people that maybe wont be impressed if you walk in to the ball in a ridicules (but fancy) dress/other clothes.

 

I think it is to early to decide if our uniform are out of place or perfect.

[Heresie Irisee]

Thank you (Inquistor7) I have been waiting for some one to point this out!!! Everyone keeps saying that the inquisition is a military organization, but in fact you can run the inquisition anyway you wish weather it's militant or diplomatic or even has to do with espionage. It is not a solely militant group that is why we are given the Options to choose which advisors do which tasks or how a keep is run. To say that we are a military group is incorrect we are a group that has military aspects aswell as others. Therefore we should have options in what we wear to the ball by just useing those three options we could have had three choices : A military attire like the one that is in the game.
A diplomatic attire one that is flashy and elegant.
A espionage attire one that allows us to hide in the shadows or disguise ourselves as someone else.
Those would have been fine because at least then we would have gotten an option period.

 

Yesss, I was thinking the exact same thing the other day. Josephine looking at you expectantly with an armful of floofy lace, Cullen going we have uniforms somewhere please use them. It could have been funny as heck, too.

 

Knowing it's a uniform and it seems to be a united front thing makes me dislike the outfit a lot less. The men's thigh-highs boots also help to make it ever so slightly more neutral, if still too masculine for true neutrality, which is what I think would have been most appropriate if we're not getting choice. It still looks 19th century as f though.

[herkles]

We are not just a military power that's the whole thing you can be diplomatic military and espionage oriented.

 

I disagree. Because all those are related to War and politics. Or to quote Carl Von Clauswitz's book on war.

 

"War is merely the continuation of politics by other means."

 

Espisonage, Diplomace and war are all tools of politics. We are a paramilitary organzation, albit not much of a political goal from what I can gather beyond stopping the whole giant rifts of doom in the sky. But still a paramilitary organzation, the fact we can choose what type of tool for the task doesn't change what we are.

 

Though having different outfits for which method you use more would be cool. 

 

All that said, I do have one request/wish for the ball

 

let us dance with our Love Interest.

 

I want to dance with cullen or Josephine or as my dalish mage, be rather akward when dancing with solas.

[Inquisitor7]

I personally do not see my inquisition as a military organization I see it as all three of these things.

[Cdale091]

I can kind of agree with us being a paramilitary organization except most paramilitary organization are still a form of military. Yes we have a military but I feel like the inquisition is more of higher form of government your inquisitor has power over monarchs and noble dignitaries it is how they deal with those dignitaries that make them a certain type of organization. Wether we enforce a militant rule over thedas or a diplomatic rule is up to us it is not controlled by a state or country. The use of the term paramilitary is debated, with different groups differently classifying groups as paramilitary or not based on disagreements as to what constitutes the correct standards as to what is similar to a military force and what is the correct method for deciding if a group meets those standards. So I guess it's just up to the player as to wether or you see your self as paramilitary or military or even diplomatic.

[Inquisitor7]

And If we could just choose what we wanted and had more options there would be no debate as too who's attire is appropriate. I don't always want to be in uniform . Others don't want to be In dresses. Great give us the choice. And another thing if I'm the leader why should I have to wear uniform that I don't like when I don't wear it in battle or skyhold.

[herkles]

anyways if I was to have a dress, I would want a dress like this. This is a fanart of what Cassandra might look like in a dress for the ball. I love the design.

 

 kyuubifred

[Inquisitor7]

Lol thats cute.

[Gothfather]

Thank you (Inquistor7) I have been waiting for some one to point this out!!! Everyone keeps saying that the inquisition is a military organization, but in fact you can run the inquisition anyway you wish weather it's militant or diplomatic or even has to do with espionage. It is not a solely militant group that is why we are given the Options to choose which advisors do which tasks or how a keep is run. To say that we are a military group is incorrect we are a group that has military aspects aswell as others. Therefore we should have options in what we wear to the ball by just useing those three options we could have had three choices : A military attire like the one that is in the game.
A diplomatic attire one that is flashy and elegant.
A espionage attire one that allows us to hide in the shadows or disguise ourselves as someone else.
Those would have been fine because at least then we would have gotten an option period.

And as i said before.

 

its fine to ask or wish for X but if people REFUSE to look at situations in the game and its development with the lens of "What is bioware's story?" then they are going to run into disappointment over and over again. Because you can ALWAYS make a case for why your own personal WANTS are valid. But they have zero relivance if they run counter to the story Bioware has written. Yes there could be an X appraoch for Y reasons that makes Z want perfectly reasonable, but unless bioware wrote the game that way then it doesn't make a bit of difference.

 

 

I can tell you for a fact that the Inquisition is a quasi-Military and quasi-religious organization. {This isn't something you get to say Mine isn't!}

 

Yes you have options on how you approach things but you CAN NOT change the fact that your organization are these things.

 

Don't want it to be a religious organization well there is nothing you can do about it, that is how bioware has written it. You have the title of "YOUR WORSHIP," that your own troops call you.

 

Watch the video at 9:25

 

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.c...KSxPWkGFMw#t=12

 

You have Lots of leeway in HOW you project power but that doesn't mean you are suddenly not Religious and military in origin because you do things more diplomatically or hidden from the shadows. You PROJECT power into zones of the game with troops. As you claim camps and banners in zones your own SOLDIERS move in to take control of a region.

 

Like I said before Bioware isn't writing a open ended game. They are writing a game about the Inquisition and the Inquisitor. You don't get to play a character that wasn't at the peace talks, you don't get to play a character who isn't fundementally changed by the explosion. You don't get to create a charater that says, "Inquisition? No thanks I'm jumping in a boat and sail off into the ocean to find a new land. Bye suckers!" You are confined by the story Bioware has written. If you accept this is true you will get far more enjoyment from the game because you will stop banging your head against the wall, trying to convince Bioware to write teh game in your image.

 

You have leeway within these limitations, you can be someone who is trying to moderate religious zealouts or someone trying to control mages. You can be subtle in you actions on the political scene or you can be more forceful. None of these options lets you change the inquisition's origins or its goals.

[Inquisitor7]

And as i said before.

its fine to ask or wish for X but if people REFUSE to look at situations in the game and its development with the lens of "What is bioware's story?" then they are going to run into disappointment over and over again. Because you can ALWAYS make a case for why your own personal WANTS are valid. But they have zero relivance if they run counter to the story Bioware has written. Yes there could be an X appraoch for Y reasons that makes Z want perfectly reasonable, but unless bioware wrote the game that way then it doesn't make a bit of difference.


I can tell you for a fact that the Inquisition is a quasi-Military and quasi-religious organization. {This isn't something you get to say Mine isn't!}

Yes you have options on how you approach things but you CAN NOT change the fact that your organization are these things.

Don't want it to be a religious organization well there is nothing you can do about it, that is how bioware has written it. You have the title of "YOUR WORSHIP," that your own troops call you.

Watch the video at 9:25

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.c...KSxPWkGFMw#t=12

You have Lots of leeway in HOW you project power but that doesn't mean you are suddenly not Religious and military in origin because you do things more diplomatically or hidden from the shadows. You PROJECT power into zones of the game with troops. As you claim camps and banners in zones your own SOLDIERS move in to take control of a region.

Like I said before Bioware isn't writing a open ended game. They are writing a game about the Inquisition and the Inquisitor. You don't get to play a character that wasn't at the peace talks, you don't get to play a character who isn't fundementally changed by the explosion. You don't get to create a charater that says, "Inquisition? No thanks I'm jumping in a boat and sail off into the ocean to find a new land. Bye suckers!" You are confined by the story Bioware has written. If you accept this is true you will get far more enjoyment from the game because you will stop banging your head against the wall, trying to convince Bioware to write teh game in your image.

You have leeway within these limitations, you can be someone who is trying to moderate religious zealouts or someone trying to control mages. You can be subtle in you actions on the political scene or you can be more forceful. None of these options lets you change the inquisition's origins or its goals.

I see where your coming from but if it does not have something in the story then I don't see the problem of having choice but I see what you're saying about how if they wrote it were you have to wear the clothes or whatever else then there's nothing we can do.

[llawsford]

Honestly, I'm cunfused about all this. I have nothing against this prticular uniform but I wonder why is it easier to animate dresses on NPCs that are simply walking and dancing (doing exactly what PC would do anyway) than on the Inquisitor. And hey, Vivienne is actually *fighting* in a freaking dress! I mean robes. Fancy ones (but not nonsensical) and actually something similar in design would be waaaay better for such an occasion. Could anyone axplain this to me? Why animating this is so difficult?

[AresKeith]

Honestly, I'm cunfused about all this. I have nothing against this prticular uniform but I wonder why is it easier to animate dresses on NPCs that are simply walking and dancing (doing exactly what PC would do anyway) than on the Inquisitor. And hey, Vivienne is actually *fighting* in a freaking dress! I mean robes. Fancy ones (but not nonsensical) and actually something similar in design would be waaaay better for such an occasion. Could anyone axplain this to me? Why animating this is so difficult?

 

Because the PC is a customizable characters with multiple races, they would have to animate it for 4 body models which can be time consuming 

[Doominike]

Fair enough argument (the military representation thing) against dresses, but you can't tell me wearing armor doesn't count as showing militaryness. Why can't I just wear my armor ? That would make the Ball Outfit very customizable, those who want dresses could even put on mage robes, everyone (or close enough anyway) would be happy

[Cdale091]

I'm not going to go into why I disagree with the whole this is a military organization only again. I understand why optional clothing isn't going to be in the game at launch time constraints and resources I get it. However like I've said from the beginning I think that a DLC to rectify this for players who do want the options would be great. I'm more then sure that it will happen as even Mike Laidlaw has already stated that the Devs are looking into this for a post Luanch option. Until then I will play the crap out of this game I love Dragon Age and Bioware they are a great company, and I'm super excited for inquisition!!!

[Nefla]

And as i said before.

 

its fine to ask or wish for X but if people REFUSE to look at situations in the game and its development with the lens of "What is bioware's story?" then they are going to run into disappointment over and over again. Because you can ALWAYS make a case for why your own personal WANTS are valid. But they have zero relivance if they run counter to the story Bioware has written. Yes there could be an X appraoch for Y reasons that makes Z want perfectly reasonable, but unless bioware wrote the game that way then it doesn't make a bit of difference.

 

 

I can tell you for a fact that the Inquisition is a quasi-Military and quasi-religious organization. {This isn't something you get to say Mine isn't!}

 

Yes you have options on how you approach things but you CAN NOT change the fact that your organization are these things.

 

Don't want it to be a religious organization well there is nothing you can do about it, that is how bioware has written it. You have the title of "YOUR WORSHIP," that your own troops call you.

 

Watch the video at 9:25

 

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.c...KSxPWkGFMw#t=12

 

You have Lots of leeway in HOW you project power but that doesn't mean you are suddenly not Religious and military in origin because you do things more diplomatically or hidden from the shadows. You PROJECT power into zones of the game with troops. As you claim camps and banners in zones your own SOLDIERS move in to take control of a region.

 

Like I said before Bioware isn't writing a open ended game. They are writing a game about the Inquisition and the Inquisitor. You don't get to play a character that wasn't at the peace talks, you don't get to play a character who isn't fundementally changed by the explosion. You don't get to create a charater that says, "Inquisition? No thanks I'm jumping in a boat and sail off into the ocean to find a new land. Bye suckers!" You are confined by the story Bioware has written. If you accept this is true you will get far more enjoyment from the game because you will stop banging your head against the wall, trying to convince Bioware to write teh game in your image.

 

You have leeway within these limitations, you can be someone who is trying to moderate religious zealouts or someone trying to control mages. You can be subtle in you actions on the political scene or you can be more forceful. None of these options lets you change the inquisition's origins or its goals.

BioWare chose to make a story with a customizable protagonist with potentially very different backgrounds and races. It doesn't make BioWare story sense for a Dalish elf who hates humans and thinks their cultures are oppressive and stupid to dress like that. It doesn't make sense for a lot of different personalities to dress like that. Wanting to wear something that fits your character's personality (in a game that already lets you do that in every other scenario) is way different from trying to completely change the plot or style of the game. Why does being part of a military organization require us to wear a weird uniform? Who in said organization is coming up with and forcing that uniform? We're the leader of that organization if this was the real world or made any sense, then the leader would chose if her troops had to wear a uniform or not, what the uniform would look like if she decided to have one, and if she herself had to follow said dress code. Even if we disregard that and decide that there is some unspoken rule in Thedas that every militant organization had to wear a uniform no matter what then why aren't Iron Bull and his mercenaries dressed like tin soldiers? Why do circle mages not all wear matching robes? Why did the Red Iron not prance around like matching nutcrackers? The inquisition is almost like an independent city-state with military, commerce, civilians, diplomats, etc...and the equivalent of a king or queen. Even if the random grunts have to wear a uniform, the monarch does not.

[Sanguinerin]

I'm afraid I don't agree with the notion that we simply must wear a formal military suit because we're a military organization. As others have stated, we are the head of this newly created (or renewed) organization, and we've been given (at least) three different approaches into how we want to lead it.

 

Cullen and I will not agree very often, I'm sure, because I don't take the blunt military approach--ever. In Civilization V, for example, I play online with friends constantly. I churn out gold for my allies, and I fund them to do the fighting. And in the recently released Beyond Earth, I'm developing my strategy around their improved spy system (compared to V). Those are my favorite paths to victory: commerce and favor, or subterfuge when the former fails me. Rarely do I go straight for the battleground, unless the only other option is one where I lose.

 

I imagine Josephine will be my greatest asset. I intend on pushing for as much political favor as possible. So to me, I would like my ambitious Inquisitor to impress the nobles with a sense of style that surpasses theirs. I've posted in other threads before, I will play The Grand Game at any opportunity.

 

The military suit does not give me the impression that I play it well. It's smart looking, and practical. However, if there's a threat, I'd rather boldly flaunt that I'm not afraid by going in the least practical attire. Or, at the very least (since I've given up on a full-fledged ballgown by this point, and merely hope for something with more frills), something like Josephine wears with an easily concealable murder knife folded up in the lace, or sleeves, or stockings.

 

As I said before, I do think it looks good on a male Inquisitor, even if it lacks fashionable Orlesian trends. I would still probably give a male Inquisitor something more decorative as well, but I don't hate the look on him. But if Leliana's appearance is anything to go by, then it doesn't suit the female Inquisitor I was looking forward to playing. (And as I stated earlier in the thread, if you're happy with the result, I'm very glad for you!)

 

If BioWare can give us a choice in what we wear (here, and in our hold), so that I can properly reflect the personality I want for her, then I'd be ecstatic. That's all I'm asking for. I stated elsewhere, my character comes first. I love player housing, and I love the customization options we have on Skyhold, but I'm still shocked that in a game that's being praised at every turn for your ability to customize your character in so many fantastic ways so that you're playing your Inquisitor, how are we even still having this discussion about the (lack of) clothing choices?

 

I haven't lost my excitement for the game by any means. I'm disappointed that I can't customize my character in the areas that matter to me the most, of course, but I'm sure I'll enjoy the game anyway.

 

In case anyone thinks I'm merely nagging (which is a nasty word to describe genuine concern), BioWare's been my favorite video game developer since I was in middle school, and I've graduated college three years ago. I love their work more than any other company, I always have, and I'm sure I'll love DA:I regardless of my concerns now. But what I love from them is their willingness to look at feedback and at least have a heart-to-heart about it, even if it's along the lines of "That's a great idea, but here's why it wouldn't work..."

 

I'm sure I'll have more to say, but for now I need to sleep and I'm going to end on that note. Have a good night all.

[llawsford]

Because the PC is a customizable characters with multiple races, they would have to animate it for 4 body models which can be time consuming 

 

That I figured out myself. They have to animare 4 different models (or 8? nvm) of this outfit anyway. For different races, right? So why not animate some kind of a dress? That was my question.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

In fact it doesn't even seem like it's "the inquisition's uniform" because this is the first we've seen of anyone wearing it. You'd think Josephine and some random npcs would be wearing it during meetings if it was.

 

That I figured out myself. They have to animare 4 different models (or 8? nvm) of this outfit anyway. For different races, right? So why not animate some kind of a dress? That was my question.

I think most people are a bit confused over how they're made. Can tmp come in to explain?

[AresKeith]

That I figured out myself. They have to animare 4 different models (or 8? nvm) of this outfit anyway. For different races, right? So why not animate some kind of a dress? That was my question.

 

They already stated that they couldn't do a dress because of animations 

[DarthLaxian]

Right, a dress would not rule out FemQuisitor as a capable leader, I was just saying that her wearing that men's outfit certainly does give off a powerful impression.

 

It makes a huge statement.  For me, it is good.  The problem is that the game is making that statement for you, whether you like it or not.

 

That's indeed a problem (at least for some...it is not for me, as I would want the choice to wear a male-like outfit with my female characters (I am having a case of déjà vu here...I am repeating myself, again, in another thread about the topic that has been brought up time and time again)...I don't like dresses and my characters don't either (and not because I am a male...wouldn't want to wear them if I were female either!)...they are not girly, they are there to do a job and a dress is not very practical, that's why they would not want it on them, same for gaudy jewels, hairstyles etc. - It's just not the type of character I would play...My characters are there to do a job (even at a ball), not to be eye-candy (not that I find dresses beautiful...like women in tight trousers much more (unless they look like you needed a compressed air-cannon to get them into said trousers)

 

TL;DR:

 

I agree the option should be there to wear a dress (hell even for men, if you like that sort of thing (note: no, that's not meant as a judgment, just a statement)), but I want the option not to for females as well (opt out!)

 

greetings LAX

[Sanguinerin]

I think what I can't wrap my head around is this: clothing can be such an important part of expression, in showing rather than telling who you are. If this wasn't the case, I don't think the CC would be driven to be so detailed as it is.

I can apply make up on my male, a beard on my Dwarf lady, switch out my drapes in my hold, but I don't even get a choice in selecting an outfit that represents who my character is? And I don't just mean as a leader of the Inquisition, but as an individual.

I'm not saying let us pick a coat, select from several different cuff and boot options, and have a system as detailed as the armor customization. Just something that lets us represent our characters at a party, or at our base.

Maybe I'm in the wrong. Maybe I let my expectations soar. But it was easy seeing all of the other areas where we're allowed to customize our characters, but not at all in this fundamental area.

I was a bit fired up when I wrote my last post, and I came back on to vent. I kind of crashed back down as I was writing. So now, I really am going to force myself to log off. I just had to add in a little extra. Once again, good night all.

[Nefla]

They already stated that they couldn't do a dress because of animations 

They said they couldn't do a ball gown because of animations. If they couldn't do any kind of dress then Vivienne wouldn't be wearing the dress-like robes she wears into battle.

[AresKeith]

They said they couldn't do a ball gown because of animations. If they couldn't do any kind of dress then Vivienne wouldn't be wearing the dress-like robes she wears into battle.

I meant ball gowns right

[Nefla]

I meant ball gowns right

Many of us would be more than happy with a long, straight, robe-like dress such as Anora or Isolde wore rather than a men's uniform.