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[Caja]

Rule number 1 of PC gaming.

 

Don't buy or try to build a gaming laptop, they're riddled with issues (overheating is a common one) and good motherboards are pretty much non-existant. Most Big GPU's don't fit in laptops either so you're often confined to mid range graphics or ridiculously overpriced high end GPU's.

 

Not to mention the PSU in a laptop is limited, so be careful when adding in your own GPU if you buy a stock one.

 

Plus when hardware breaks inside a laptop its a chore to get it fixed or swapped out. just build a tower pc (some nice micro towers as well nowadays).

benefits of a normal PC:

1) everything can be swapped out relatively easy
2) unless you go crazy good air based cooling is enough

3) Plenty of choice on what you'd like to fit in your tower, not just Small Form Factor or Low profile hardware.

4) better overclocking possibilities due to enchanced cooling and better motherboard support. 

 

 

I know you travel alot.. but any serious gamer will (or should) warn you about so called 'gaming laptops' expects issues and a shorter lifespan than any tower pc. 

 

Playing on a laptop doesn't make you less of  gamer. You'e right, of course, you can't swap out the hardware so easily but I'm sure the OP is aware of that. My old gaming laptop lastet almost seven years and I could play most games on it. The Witcher 2 was the only game I ever had trouble with. Then again, I don't play multiplayer games, so it depends on the kind of games you want to play. But nothing crashed, burned or broke.

 

And why shouldn't a cooling pad work? I never had one before but now I want one for my new laptop. 

[Original_Bars]

Playing on a laptop doesn't make you less of  gamer. You'e right, of course, you can't swap out the hardware so easily but I'm sure the OP is aware of that. My old gaming laptop lastet almost seven years and I could play most games on it. The Witcher 2 was the only game I ever had trouble with. Then again, I don't play multiplayer games, so it depends on the kind of games you want to play. But nothing crashed, burned or broke.

 

And why shouldn't a cooling pad work? I never had one before but now I want one for my new laptop. 

I said serious pc gamer, not casual.

Did you ever overclock? or put in a new GPU enabling ultra preset graphics with full AA?

yeah.. try that with your laptop, make sure to youtube it, havent seen a laptop melt for a while.

[naughty99]

Rule number 1 of PC gaming.
 
Don't buy or try to build a gaming laptop, they're riddled with issues (overheating is a common one) and good motherboards are pretty much non-existant. Most Big GPU's don't fit in laptops either so you're often confined to mid range graphics or ridiculously overpriced high end GPU's.
 
Not to mention the PSU in a laptop is limited, so be careful when adding in your own GPU if you buy a stock one.
 
Plus when hardware breaks inside a laptop its a chore to get it fixed or swapped out. just build a tower pc (some nice micro towers as well nowadays).

benefits of a normal PC:

1) everything can be swapped out relatively easy
2) unless you go crazy good air based cooling is enough
3) Plenty of choice on what you'd like to fit in your tower, not just Small Form Factor or Low profile hardware.
4) better overclocking possibilities due to enchanced cooling and better motherboard support. 
 
 
I know you travel alot.. but any serious gamer will (or should) warn you about so called 'gaming laptops' expects issues and a shorter lifespan than any tower pc.

 
This is rather outdated advice. Obviously, if you don't need a laptop, a desktop is cheaper, and you can upgrade it.

However, there are many of us here like OP who already need a good quality laptop for work or school and by spending a little more on it we can get a laptop that runs games quite well.

Cheaper than buying separate desktop in addition to a laptop that can handle demanding tasks. At any rate, some of the recent mobile GPUs are faster than the 99% of the desktop cards out there. Not to mention many people work on the go to the extent that they have zero use for a desktop.

One of the most stupid things i read today, if there is one way to break your internal fans is by causing chop in the airflow.
 
notebook cooling pads/stands are good, but then again for a gaming laptop they don't work too well.

This is also bad advice. Most of these are poor quality, but there are some decent laptop cooling pads that do a good job of helping to reduce temps when you are running demanding applications or games. Zalman makes a good one, for example. 
 

I said serious pc gamer, not casual.

Did you ever overclock? or put in a new GPU enabling ultra preset graphics with full AA?
yeah.. try that with your laptop, make sure to youtube it, havent seen a laptop melt for a while.

 
 

[Original_Bars]

 
This is rather outdated advice. Obviously, if you don't need a laptop, a desktop is cheaper, and you can upgrade it.

However, there are many of us here like OP who already need a good quality laptop for work or school and by spending a little more on it we can get a laptop that runs games quite well.

Cheaper than buying separate desktop in addition to a laptop that can handle demanding tasks. At any rate, some of the recent mobile GPUs are faster than the 99% of the desktop cards out there. Not to mention many people work on the go to the extent that they have zero use for a desktop.
This is also bad advice. Most of these are poor quality, but there are some decent laptop cooling pads that do a good job of helping to reduce temps when you are running demanding applications or games. Zalman makes a good one, for example. 
 
 
 

Show me some of those cards that are 'faster' (Faster what? more ROPS? More bandwith?) than 99% of the non mobile version, make sure to also link a mobile mobo that has the same performance as top tier ASUS, EVGA boards.

little comparison for the GTX 980M (one of the more popular mobile cards at the moment if you're building a laptop and prefer nvidia AND one of the few mobile cards that meets the recommended hw requirements of assasins creed unity.) which shows consistently lower performance but costs more than most of the compared cards.

i forgot the full name, but the only card that tops the 770 desktop performance costs a fortune at the mo.

 

[naughty99]

Show me some of those cards that are 'faster' (Faster what? more ROPS? More bandwith?) than 99% of the non mobile version, make sure to also link a mobile mobo that has the same performance as top tier ASUS, EVGA boards.

little comparison for the GTX 980M (one of the more popular mobile cards at the moment if you're building a laptop and prefer nvidia AND one of the few mobile cards that meets the recommended hw requirements of assasins creed unity.) which shows consistently lower performance but costs more than most of the compared cards.

i forgot the full name, but the only card that tops the 770 desktop performance costs a fortune at the mo.

 
980m and 970m represent a leap forward compared to the previous generation of mobile graphics cards, both in terms of performance as well as thermals.
 
The 980m has better benchmarks and gaming performance than most desktop cards on the market, just below the level of GTX 970. Obviously desktop cards can be OC'd much higher but depending on the laptop it looks like you can get up to around 10-13% OC on this card without flashing vBIOS. The bottleneck for this card is more likely to be the mobile CPU getting throttled and 180W laptop power supply.
 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

As for the price, RJtech sells the 980m 8GB VRAM card for $724 and laptops with this card start from around $1600. 970m 6GB retails for $450, laptops with this card starting from ~ $1,200.

Desktop might be cheaper, but if you already need a good laptop for school or work, $1,200 is not bad and it will run pretty much anything at 1080p for the next few years.

[Original_Bars]

 
980m and 970m represent a leap forward compared to the previous generation of mobile graphics cards, both in terms of performance as well as thermals.
 
The 980m has better benchmarks and gaming performance than most desktop cards on the market, just below the level of GTX 970. Obviously desktop cards can be OC'd much higher but depending on the laptop it looks like you can get up to around 10-13% OC on this card without flashing vBIOS. The bottleneck for this card is more likely to be the mobile CPU getting throttled and 180W laptop power supply.
 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

As for the price, RJtech sells the 980m 8GB VRAM card for $724 and laptops with this card start from around $1600. 970m 6GB retails for $450, laptops with this card starting from ~ $1,200.

Desktop might be cheaper, but if you already need a good laptop for school or work, $1,200 is not bad and it will run pretty much anything at 1080p for the next few years.

Fair enough, you got a point, still for less money and more performance i'd always go for desktop cards (mind you 4GB vram beats 8GB mobile! imagine if they compared to the regular model) but for school/work it might be handy.

[Chrom72]

Fair enough, you got a point, still for less money and more performance i'd always go for desktop cards (mind you 4GB vram beats 8GB mobile! imagine if they compared to the regular model) but for school/work it might be handy.

That's kind of the point. The op is fully aware of the myriad of benefits that building a desktop over laptop has. The problem is that he also needs a decent laptop for work/living situation purposes, so even if he has to pay for a gaming laptop that isn't as good as the desktop he could get he still will save money compared to building a desktop and buying a cheap laptop.