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[Valmar]

O.o It isn't head canon, it is simply how hardware and software work. I don't care how incredibly advanced your technology is, the basic principles of how hardware and software work won't change. You just can't target software without going through the hardware which requires a common protocol.

 

It's absolutely headcanon because it never tells us how it functions. You're assuming it works with the same principles that todays technology works.

 

FTL travel should be impossible yet there it is. Biotic powers should be impossible but there it is. Mass Effect is a fictional universe that has fictional rules. It is your assumption that for the crucible to work it must work such and such way because its the closest you can relate it to with known technology. The crucible is NOT known technology and the reapers certainly aren't known technology. The scientists building the crucible didn't even know what it would do.

 

You keep headcanoning that for this to function as it does that it must work under the same restrictions that currently technology works. You're free to headcanon whatever you'd like but don't act its anything more than headcanon.

[chemiclord]

I think what he is trying to get at is in cases where it isn't expressly explained how it violates the natural law and order of things that it is logical to assume it follows our understanding of the world.

If a sci-fi work had to explain every detail of the setting, it would do nothing else.

[Valmar]

The reaper's and crucible are never expressly explained to us. Infact one of the biggest points about the crucible that it kept driving home to us is how we have no idea what it does. We assume it will stop the reapers. We assume its a weapon. We don't know.

 

How the destroy blast functions is never explained to us. You can argue that they should have explained it more or had it target specifically only the reapers (I'd like that, myself) but you should never come in claiming that it MUST function in one particular way. We don't know how it functions, any assumption on how is purely headcanon because they never tell us. It's supposed to be a mystery. Headcanon and speculation is great and should be encouraged but we should never forget that it is just that: headcanon. We shouldn't confuse our headcanon for lore.

[Ranadiel Marius]

It's absolutely headcanon because it never tells us how it functions. You're assuming it works with the same principles that todays technology works.

FTL travel should be impossible yet there it is. Biotic powers should be impossible but there it is. Mass Effect is a fictional universe that has fictional rules. It is your assumption that for the crucible to work it must work such and such way because its the closest you can relate it to with known technology. The crucible is NOT known technology and the reapers certainly aren't known technology. The scientists building the crucible didn't even know what it would do.

You keep headcanoning that for this to function as it does that it must work under the same restrictions that currently technology works. You're free to headcanon whatever you'd like but don't act its anything more than headcanon.

FTL travel and Biotics are both explained. Crucible energy magically being able to distinguish a toaster and a Geth just because one uses a different set of bits (or qbits if they use those) is not explained and is a significantly larger leap in logic than anything else in the series except for synthesis, which is the steroid infused big brother as it implicitly has this issue baked in.

If you can come up with a logical reason why it could work feel free to share, till then I am going to continue to consider it bullshit/poor writing/space magic as it is a ridiculous premise.

[dreamgazer]

I think what he is trying to get at is in cases where it isn't expressly explained how it violates the natural law and order of things that it is logical to assume it follows our understanding of the world.

If a sci-fi work had to explain every detail of the setting, it would do nothing else.

ME1 falls completely apart in this case.

Hard to put into words exactly what it does to ME2.

[geroni24]

Have it end with me feeling like i felt when Mordin and Legion died. Heart broken, holding back man-tears. I dont want a happy ending. I want a bittersweet ending that made me feel so sad, yet proud. 

I would have Shepard fighting alongside his buddies in a desperate, suicide mission, the last suicide mission defending an acess point to the Crucible the Reapers would have used to destroy it. Fighting in London while watching your friends tear **** up. As the mission would progress, they would start to get tired, desperate, taken down one by one, all in a very nice and deserving way.

 

Then, when there were left only 3 guys, shepard and his love option, Liara would close Shepard into a Stasis ball and shoot it int the other side of the city "You have sacrificed enough for the world already, its time for us to sacrifice for you".

And while trying to run to help his friends, he would see a bright light. And he would think: "It worked, they held them off enough for the Crucible." And he would run to the defence site and find them dead. He would hear Garrus cough, "Its been a nice ride Shepard..."

"... The best one." Shepard completed. And Garrus closed his eyes, dead.

[Bardox9]

I'd remove everything after that last final blast from Harbinger. Have a cut scene with Hackett being told the the ground forces were destroyed. After a fist pound breaking a monitor switch back to london where Shepard snaps up coughing and groggy. Crawls a little ways to a flipped over mako. Digs around for some medigel. Swaps his fragged armor for a standard Onyx armor. Sporting his classic ME1 armor he sends a call out over the Mako's comm seeing if anyone is still alive. Coates answers "Barely... I'm pretty busted up Commander, but I can still pull a trigger." Shepard grabs more medigel and heads for Coates and patches him up enough to get him moving and they head for the beam. On the way the come across Aderson's body. They say nothing. Just a silent stare before pushing on firing at husks and marauders.

 

When they get to the beam and get sent up, there is a quick switch back to Hackett where a crewman says something along the lines of "SIR! Beam activation. Someone made it!" Hackett tries to raise them on the comm. They answer but the connection is bad. Hackett only hears enough to recognize Shepards voice then the comms cut out. Switch back to Shepard and Coates "We'll have to find one of Citadels comm relays if we're going to get through." Coates says. They make their way through the Shifting Citadel taking out Reaper ground troops and automated defenses untill they get to the master control console in the Council chamber where they find TIM waiting. There is a cutscene and then a real boss fight.

 

After TIM dies Shepard opens the arms of the Citadel and the Crucible docks and calls Joker to bring the Normandy into a Citadel docking bay. As the Crucible powers up Coates and Shepard haul a$$. The normandy flies off and jumps to FTL as the destruction energy wave starts..Queue destroy ending minus the Citadel and Relay's being destroyed (with a high enough EMS rating of course). Instead of crashing the ship, they jump to wherever Hackett and the other survivors jumped off to. The final cut scene is one of various reports coming in from all over the galaxy about the Reapers falling over dead as a hammer. Hackett shows up in the Normandy sickbay where he finds a the two heroes that saved the galaxy. If you have an LI he/she will be there with Shepard. There will be a small service for Anderson during which Hacketts speech during the destroy ending (with a few small changes) will play. Victory!... for now...

 

After the credits role at the end, a tiny scene of the Leviathans plays "Rejoice while you can. The return of the Leviathan is coming and you WILL serve us!" Then show just a Mass Effect logo and fade to black.

[AlanC9]

I think what he is trying to get at is in cases where it isn't expressly explained how it violates the natural law and order of things that it is logical to assume it follows our understanding of the world.

 

"Expressly explained how it violates the natural law"? No, that can't work. Nobody ever tried to explain how Star Trek's warp drive worked until years after the show started. The ship simply did go faster than light. Most SF explanations for this sort of thing are fairly transparent handwaves anyway.

[wolfhowwl]

Shepard defeats the reaper enhanced Illusive Man in hand to hand combat on top of the Citadel as the galactic fleets and Reapers clash behind them. He learns that he was rebuilt by Cerberus with Reaper tech and will perish along with their technology.

 

Triumphing he collapses and shares a final moment with the mortally wounded Anderson as the Crucible activates.

 

I was thinking of adding that he dies in agony as the reaper implants burn out but that doesn't really fit the mood of the scene.

[Phaedra Sanguine]

I just want to know what happens next, I want closure. Doesn't need to be rewritten, just needs to really give closure. Because I felt that, even with EC dlc, there just wasn't enough closure. And with them not revisiting Shepard I want to know what the point of surviving the end was. I spent 3 games, 3 games that I absolutely love, mind you, but I spent 3 games kicking asses and talking about blue babies and then I blow up all the synthetics in the galaxy only to magically appear in some rubble and still breathing, cut to credits.

 

Okay.

 

I mean, I guess it could be a contingency plan for later on 5 games down the line but that's not fair.

[themikefest]

Shepard takes all the squadmates from the trilogy and heads to Ilos. Some how the conduit/relay has enough power left in it to use again. Once on the Citadel they see that C-sec along with Citadel forces fighting Cerberus troopers and reaper ground forces. Shepard and squad help out the best they can while heading to the console to open the Citadel

 

Once the crucible is attached to the Citadel and the arms are opened all the way, it fires a wave of destruction that destroys the reapers

[Gago]

I fight TIM one on one. He transforms into a Reaper monster but I roflstomp him. After that Synthesis+Sheps lives (resurrection or something), achieves "Godhood" because now we are both org/synth and can play ME and DA in our minds and have immortality. Also there are enormous statues of Shep and Co on the Citadel and etc. Hey they saved the galaxy and all the cycles that will come.

 

Oh and all the stuff like curing all diseases, buddies with the Reapers, advances in technology and etc. Basically this ending isn't too different than TEC minus the epic final battle and Shep is alive thing. It's all good.

[WizzyWarlock]

I'd head to the middle of the Citadel, I'd deploy a big f'ing bomb, then watch from orbit as it blows.

[Valmar]

FTL travel and Biotics are both explained. Crucible energy magically being able to distinguish a toaster and a Geth just because one uses a different set of bits (or qbits if they use those) is not explained and is a significantly larger leap in logic than anything else in the series except for synthesis, which is the steroid infused big brother as it implicitly has this issue baked in.

If you can come up with a logical reason why it could work feel free to share, till then I am going to continue to consider it bullshit/poor writing/space magic as it is a ridiculous premise.

 

Did I ever say it made sense or wasn't poor writing? All I said is that yours is headcanon and that we don't know how it functions. You came in acting as if your head canon was the definite lore answer. It isn't. I don't know how it functions and I never claimed I did. Infact the very bases of my argument was the fact that we DON'T know and making any conclusion or assumption is purely headcanon speculation on our part. Not lore.

[Iakus]

I'd head to the middle of the Citadel, I'd deploy a big f'ing bomb, then watch from orbit as it blows.

Or find the Catalyst's hard drive, and reformat it.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Did I ever say it made sense or wasn't poor writing? All I said is that yours is headcanon and that we don't know how it functions. You came in acting as if your head canon was the definite lore answer. It isn't. I don't know how it functions and I never claimed I did. Infact the very bases of my argument was the fact that we DON'T know and making any conclusion or assumption is purely headcanon speculation on our part. Not lore.

All I said initially was the "explanation" for the Geth and EDI being targeted was Reaper Code which makes no sense. And it doesn't. Although technically I suppose the game never says it is the Reaper Code, but if it isn't based on Reaper Code then it becomes even more ridiculous and as far as I can tell that has never been your objection.

Everything after has been me trying to explain (and possibly failing at making that point considering how hostile i feel like this has become) why possible reasonable explanations wouldn't work. None of them are my head canon because none of them make work. My actual head canon prior to EC was that Starbrat was bluffing because the claim was stupid. Post EC don't really have any head canon for it other than space magic because the idea is almost as bad as synthesis.

[Iakus]

All I said initially was the "explanation" for the Geth and EDI being targeted was Reaper Code which makes no sense. And it doesn't. Although technically I suppose the game never says it is the Reaper Code, but if it isn't based on Reaper Code then it becomes even more ridiculous and as far as I can tell that has never been your objection.

Everything after has been me trying to explain (and possibly failing at making that point considering how hostile i feel like this has become) why possible reasonable explanations wouldn't work. None of them are my head canon because none of them make work. My actual head canon prior to EC was that Starbrat was bluffing because the claim was stupid. Post EC don't really have any head canon for it other than space magic because the idea is almost as bad as synthesis.

Nope, Reaper code is never mentioned as a criteria for the Crucible.  In fact, the Catalyst specifically says "The Crucible will not discriminate.  All synthetic life will be targetted.  Even you are partly synthetic."

 

Of course it's still space magic.  How is energy supposed to pick and choose what electronics it damages?  Reaper, AI, or otherwise?  How is it supposed to target an AI, and bypass an omnitool? 

[in it for the lolz]

Or find the Catalyst's hard drive, and reformat it.

Or use a sledgehammer on starkid's hard drive.

[von uber]

What if... the citadel had been blown up? What then?

[dreamgazer]

What if... the citadel had been blown up? What then?

Yeah, I don't think destroying the Citadel, the hub of the relay network, with brute force is the wisest of choices.

[Bardox9]

With the Citadel blown up, the relays would drift out of alignment and become  useless. 

[dorktainian]

Yeah, I don't think destroying the Citadel, the hub of the relay network, with brute force is the wisest of choices.

Why not?  You kill Starjar.  I call that a win.

[themikefest]

Yeah, I don't think destroying the Citadel, the hub of the relay network, with brute force is the wisest of choices.

Well then my femshep would jump in the pilot's seat, start up the engines since the Citadel has engines according to Barla Von in ME1, and fly the thing into the sun

[fhs33721]

Why not?  You kill Starjar.  I call that a win.

Only if this would actully stop the Reapers from killing everyone, which we don't know if it does.

[Valmar]

Why not?  You kill Starjar.  I call that a win.

1. Without the citadel, there is no relay network. Death to all.

 

2. Blowing up the Citadel would be impractical. Don't let the "damaged" Citadel in the blast fool you - that's a bit of a plothole. The Citadel is dame near invincible. It would take days of sustained fire to cause any damage.