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[dreamgazer]

Blowing up the Citadel would be impractical. Don't let the "damaged" Citadel in the blast fool you - that's a bit of a plothole. The Citadel is dame near invincible. It would take days of sustained fire to cause any damage.

 
Not too bad of one.  The Crucible is essentially over-clocking the Citadel to a point of controlled combustion. Mighty big difference between doing that and nuking it or hurling asteroids at its soft spots. 
 

Why not?  You kill Starjar.  I call that a win.

 
It'd be about as effective as killing one of Harbinger's glowing yellow "under control" minions and assuming it's done for. The Catalyst made the Reapers. The Reapers made the Citadel.  Therefore, being the collective memories and knowledge of the Reapers, the Catalyst's existence isn't reliant on the Citadel.

That's some pretty damning counter-evidence for an explosive maneuver that will have entirely unknown repercussions on the relay network and its surrounding planets, rendering them all useless being the best-case scenario.

[Linkenski]

Wait, what? Killing the Citadel should kill the Reapers shouldn't it? The collective knowledge of the Reapers and the AI core for the Catalyst is the Citadel... so why would the Reapers continue to function if the Citadel was destroyed?

[dreamgazer]

Wait, what? Killing the Citadel should kill the Reapers shouldn't it? The collective knowledge of the Reapers and the AI core for the Catalyst is the Citadel... so why would the Reapers continue to function if the Citadel was destroyed?

Where is it ever stated that the Catalyst's existence is bound to the Citadel?

It existed before the Citadel, and it's more than reasonable to assume that it can continue existing without it.

[Ranadiel Marius]

1. Without the citadel, there is no relay network. Death to all.

2. Blowing up the Citadel would be impractical. Don't let the "damaged" Citadel in the blast fool you - that's a bit of a plothole. The Citadel is dame near invincible. It would take days of sustained fire to cause any damage.

1. Is it ever actually stated that the relay network is inoperable without the Citadel. I know the Reapers can control the relay network with it, but that doesn't mean that the Relays require it work (e.g. I can control my T.V. with a remote control, but it doesn't die if I lose the remote.)

Even if it is, if you don't believe Starbrat, then you think everyone is going to die anyways so a last desperate gamble that some peple may survive the relay network collapss would be all that is left (if the game allowed you to not believe him at least).

2. While the Citadel is described as being nigh invulnerable, I'm sure some tactics for destroying it haven't been tried, like blowing up a relay in the same system it is in. Very well may not work, but I am betting no one has any idea what would happen.

[fhs33721]

Wait, what? Killing the Citadel should kill the Reapers shouldn't it? The collective knowledge of the Reapers and the AI core for the Catalyst is the Citadel... so why would the Reapers continue to function if the Citadel was destroyed?

Except, why should it kill them? As far as we know each one still has it's own distinctive personality and mind. You'd rob them of their leader, sure but I don't see any prove that killing the cataclyst would automatically kill the Reapers as well.

 And without the cataclyst you have no idea what they will do next.

The best (but unlikely if you ask me) case: they just float around planlessly and disorganized without any coherent strategy any more(but even in such a state they would probably still kick the current cycles heavily decimated forces in the ass).

Another (more likely if you ask me) scenario: They could just continue the harvest because Harbinger is like "Well the boss is dead. This is a huge setback but our primary function still has to be fulfilled. Guess I'm in charge now, so bring me this delicious organic-goo data ASAP".

Worst (and probably most unlikely) case: Without the guiding influence of the cataclyst Harbinger and his Reapers go full Leviathan and decide to take over the galaxy more directly establishing the galactic Reaper-empire where they constantly rule with iron fist and indoctrination and the genetically promising races may ascend to Reaperhood and the minor ones may grovel in the dirt at their tentacles and simply be wiped out if they try to resist in any way and if it just is researching technology that might eventually pose a mild threat to their eldritch robot-abomination overlords.

[themikefest]

After the orb was destroyed, the people went back to what they thought was 10 years ago in the Leviathan dlc. They're no longer under the Leviathan's influence. Maybe once the Citadel is destroyed and the reapers no longer under the catalyst's influence, they might leave the galaxy never to be seen again

 

Whatever. Its just speculation of what might happen if the Citadel is destroyed or at least the decision chamber is destroyed. 

[Linkenski]

Where is it ever stated that the Catalyst's existence is bound to the Citadel?

It existed before the Citadel, and it's more than reasonable to assume that it can continue existing without it.

He's an "intelligence", presumably an advanced form of AI and he appears like a hologram. I always assumed since the the citadel is part of him that it implied the Citadel is his AI core.

[Vargeisa]

I would have replaced the Crucible with a project like the one Javik was part of. Collect the elite of the galaxy to be frozen in for later use.

 

At the end of retake earth when it becomes clear they have lost the war Shepard can decide to either go down fighting with the forces he asembled, or to take off in the Normandy and become a popsicle for a few millenia.

 

 

Either that, or Conrad Verner stumbles over a socket on the citadel and unplugs the reapers.

[dreamgazer]

He's an "intelligence", presumably an advanced form of AI and he appears like a hologram. I always assumed since the the citadel is part of him that it implied the Citadel is his AI core.

The Reapers are ageless hybrids of organic and inorganic material who hijack minds/bodies and liquefy species to reproduce, and you think the answer to shutting their networked intelligence down is as easy as smashing a single box?

[Linkenski]

Considering how simple the Reapers look with what ME3 did to their plot, I'd say yeah. I have no direct proof, but I don't see what the Catalyst would be without the Citadel, unless every Reaper has a shared AI core that manifests the Catalyst inside.

[Iakus]

The Reapers are ageless hybrids of organic and inorganic material who hijack minds/bodies and liquefy species to reproduce, and you think the answer to shutting their networked intelligence down is as easy as smashing a single box?

 

Why not?  None of what you said precludes there being a central location for the Reaper intelligence.

 

Besides, it makes as much sense as using "organic energy" to create "a new DNA" for every living creature in the galaxy.

[dreamgazer]

Why not?  None of what you said precludes there being a central location for the Reaper intelligence.

 

Nothing suggests that the Reapers have a sole location for their intelligence at all, nor that the Catalyst is bound to the Citadel.

I have no direct proof, but I don't see what the Catalyst would be without the Citadel, unless every Reaper has a shared AI core that manifests the Catalyst inside.

 

Makes more sense than there being one box to destroy, that's for sure.

[Valmar]

1. Is it ever actually stated that the relay network is inoperable without the Citadel. I know the Reapers can control the relay network with it, but that doesn't mean that the Relays require it work (e.g. I can control my T.V. with a remote control, but it doesn't die if I lose the remote.)

Even if it is, if you don't believe Starbrat, then you think everyone is going to die anyways so a last desperate gamble that some peple may survive the relay network collapss would be all that is left (if the game allowed you to not believe him at least).

2. While the Citadel is described as being nigh invulnerable, I'm sure some tactics for destroying it haven't been tried, like blowing up a relay in the same system it is in. Very well may not work, but I am betting no one has any idea what would happen.

 

1. Well not directly, no. It's told to us that the Citadel is the control center for the entire relay network. Going off that its easy to assume that destroying the Citadel will have adverse effects to the relay network.

 

If you don't believe the starbrat then all this is moot. If you don't believe it then why believe its even part of the citadel and not just some projection? The reapers have used projections before in the past. Blowing up the citadel in hopes that it results in the death of the reaper god and thus the reapers is just as much a leap of faith as the choices we have now and also requires you to believe the startbrat in some manner or another.

 

The game does allow you to not believe him. You can directly say to it "I don't believe you." To which it says "Your belief is not required."

If you're so against it then just refuse to make a choice.

 

Beyond that it doesn't make any sense to make such a gamble. If you don't believe it and think you're all going to die anyway why would you then try to blow up the citadel? If you don't believe it but are willing to do something completely at random just because "what else have I to lose?" why not just do one of the choices it presents? If you're in the mentality that you have nothing to lose and that all hope is lost anyway, why not take a chance and choose destroy, control or synthesis? What's the worse that could happen, it doesn't work and you all die anyway? That was already going to happen you said. So at least this gives you a chance.

 

 

2. The Mu Relay survived its neighboring star going supernova. Keep that in mind. At anyrate, I'm not arguing that blowing up the citadel is IMPOSSIBLE. I said it was impractical. Look at the situation the galaxy is in at this point. Them managing to come up with some wild plan to blow up the citadel that is guarded by the reaper armada would be as much of an ass-pull as the crucible itself.

[God]

Anybody who thinks that the Reapers can be beat by smashing a box are, to be frank, deluded and grasping at straws.

 

There are only 3 options in the galaxy that will stop the Reapers. All are brought about by the Crucible. Pick one or face the consequences. That's really the end of it.

 

Destroy, Control, and Synthesis. Do they have drawbacks? Absolutely. But if you want to stop the Reapers, you're going to have just deal with them. It's not up for negotiation, and it's not up for interpretation.

[MACH SSR]

How I ended it :

1.Cured Krogan Genophage.
2.United Quarian and Geth
3. Let Rachni(real queen) live
4. Killed Kai Leng and shot Illusive Man(suicide is a terrible sin lol)
5. Destroyed all the Reapers - collaterally damaging synth life forms - no reapers in my galaxy - datz it - Anderson is dead happy and Javik   appreciates it.
6. Commander Shepard wakes up under rubble.

Dead Normandy mates : Mordin Solus,Thane Krios,LEGION.Kaidan Alenko.
Alive ones are : Including Ashley,Miranda and Wrex and everyone else (Jack,Jacob,Garrus,Tali,Javik,Liara,James,Cortez,Chakwas,Adams,Traynor,Kelly,Grunt,Samara,EDI....i hope I dint miss anyone).

Destroyed Mass Relays and Citadel ?
Who cares - Citadel is docked over earth now - Alliance is gonna claim it anyway as spoil of war - and rebuild it.
Mass Relays are just one form of interstellar travel equivalent to wormholes -datz gone- though Hackett showed intentions to rebuild those.
But still,Systems Alliance ,Turian hierarchy,Krogan clans,Asari dynasty,Salarian republic,Batarian hegemony,Rachni empire,Elcor elegance,Volus ass,Vorcha creeps and Hanar jellyfish, everyone has ships capable of FTL using Warp drive - the popular form of interstellar travel - though a bit high on resources - its possible and bit slower than a full scale teleport in case of worm hole(mass relays)- but the galactic civilisation doesn't get bogged down in their own systems and the ME universe lives on, even after destroy choice.