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[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Go into the "Editor" and then find the button that says, "Full Editor." That allows you to edit the title, as well.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Thank you so much! =P

 

No problem.

 

And when it comes to CCs, why the heck is there almost never a simple afro? There are times when nothing else will do. All CCs should have three afro sizes: Small, Medium, and Funk.

[PrinceLionheart]

Full agreeance with this thread.

 

Based on what I have seen for options, Inquistion is a step in the right direction at least.

[daveliam]

No problem.

 

And when it comes to CCs, why the heck is there almost never a simple afro? There are times when nothing else will do. All CCs should have three afro sizes: Small, Medium, and Funk.

 

Skryim had this exact thing in the CC for the Redguards.  I always pick the "medium" afro my male Redguards. 

 

I totally support this request.  Better hair in general, but specifically, better hair for natural hairstyles would be great!

[Lieutenant Kurin]

There is tight, very curly hair last time I checked. It was shown on the male elf (who, granted, was white and blond) during a twitch stream. Plus dark skintones look better than ever in the new engine (that is to say, they actually look dark).

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

The problem with having as you say "black hair" is the simple fact of different cultures. We, as in Earthicans, have had vastly different histories than any group of ppl in Thedas. They may have never developed specific "black hairstyles" as you would see them. They could have completely different DNA structures and therefore a persons hair is the same no matter what color of your skin. It eliminates the need for creating these.

 

Before you rage against me, I do wish they had some, but try to look at it from a Lore standpoint. Color of ppl is never mentioned to my knowledge.

 

Whether it's aesthetic or Lore based, I'm not sure.... oh well. I'll be happy with what's there anyways.

[Eudaemonium]

I fully support more hairstyles and diverse hairstyles that broaden the scope of the character creator. It's good that DA:I finally seems to be able to render darker skin tones, which is a step in the right direction, but I hope they continue in this direction in future titles or in patches and/or DLC.

[Parkimus]

Before you rage against me, I do wish they had some, but try to look at it from a Lore standpoint. Color of ppl is never mentioned to my knowledge.

 

Whether it's aesthetic or Lore based, I'm not sure.... oh well. I'll be happy with what's there anyways.

 

I get what you mean but I think someone can have "black hair" and remain faithful to DA lore (unless there's a codex regarding hair that I don't know about). For example, a wo/man in Thedas with an afro is less immersion-breaking than Leliana whipping out an electric guitar and shreddin' some sick riffs (OK, maybe not the best example but I think it illustrates the point).

 

Off-topic so I'll will put this in a spoiler tag:

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I'm not a fan of the "it doesn't fit into the lore" argument because it actively discourages diversity (at least that I've seen on the BSN during my time here). For example, every now and then a thread asking for the inclusion of Asians will pop up, and every time without fail, people will cite the lack of their existence within the lore to justify their exclusion (often telling people to "go and play JRPGs" with a number of other "valid" suggestions) as if lore isn't updated with every iteration. I'm not advocating that Dragon Age become Jade Empire, I just want representation.

[Neria Rose]

The problem with having as you say "black hair" is the simple fact of different cultures. We, as in Earthicans, have had vastly different histories than any group of ppl in Thedas. They may have never developed specific "black hairstyles" as you would see them. They could have completely different DNA structures and therefore a persons hair is the same no matter what color of your skin. It eliminates the need for creating these.

 

Before you rage against me, I do wish they had some, but try to look at it from a Lore standpoint. Color of ppl is never mentioned to my knowledge.

 

Whether it's aesthetic or Lore based, I'm not sure.... oh well. I'll be happy with what's there anyways.

 

However, we "Earthicans" also should be made to want to purchase the product. Most people buying the game resemble the default (white and male). Given that Bioware, in general, does try to be inclusive of other groups (I remember my pleased shock that I could play an undeniably black woman in KotOR), offering representation includes such things as hair options. For me, there is little point in making a black woman PC if she has to have straight hair (and thus little point in me buying/playing the game since I won't play a RPG that does not give me the option of rolling a black woman).

 

I am over certain people and their "but the existence of people who look like you isn't justified in this game, I'm the default, you must be explained!" BS.

[Br3admax]

There's hardly any good looking hair period. Baby steps. 

[Lieutenant Kurin]

There are black hairstyles in the CC.

Look at the second to last and third to last rows. The hair may be blond, and on a white elf, but these are the hairs you've been looking for. They exist. They were in a stream of DAI. They are really tight curls.

 

As for cornrows, there's only one style, and it's on Qunari.

[Gothfather]

I think hairs in general get limited because of clipping, this is not limited to "black hairs" One of the things that game developers did and still do with head gear is the easy route make the head bald when you put on a hat. (I hate that makes the avatars look unrealistic). As developers have moved away from that type of solution they tried to solve the problem of clipping by confining the hair to certain paramaters that will limit clipping. Which is why so many of the hair styles are short.

 

I don't know what the solution is because modeling every piece of head gear with every possible hairstyle in general is just too costly. That said... I think the game should be representative of the world we live in, so i think there should be diversity. But there are actual technical issues that can't just be magically ignored.

 

[edit] This issue was a major problem with qunari that they simply said qunari do NOT wear head gear period. They wear face paint that I guess is magical and gives them same type of bonus head gear can give. So I don't mean to sound dismissive. These are real issues both the clipping and to provide diversity in games.

[Clark]

I totally understand. My wife is black, and whenever she plays a Bioware game she wishes there were more hair styles available for her too. While there are a handful of options for black men, black women have essentially zero. I mean even Vivienne is bald.

 

Fully support this.

[Br3admax]

I've seen more black women with these hairstyles than any of the "black styles" that I know of combined. Which is a lot, actually. 

[Hazegurl]

I don't get the whole "Earthicans" logic. lol! By that same logic white people shouldn't exist in Thedas, or white people should have coarser hair et al if it's all about how DNA structure is probably different to explain why their aren't black hairstyles then why do white people exist and have white hair and styles? Anyway.

 

I recommend this site(http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/) for those struggling with the whole "breaking lore" logic. It shows rare artwork of black people throughout Europe during the middle ages.

 

And yeah, I'm sick of seeing those fugly cornrows in the CC.

[Medhia_Nox]

I'm not sure why anyone would want an old, old wooden ship used in the Civil War era in the character creator...

[vertigone]

I also 100% support this! 

 

I was surprised when I saw the full set of hairstyles, because I expected at least a cornrow option for humans/elves/dwarves since it was so frequent in the Qunari creation.  When some people in that Qunari hair thread were complaining about all the cornrows I was lurking away going "I want cornrows for my elf~~~ *sigh*".

 

I think rows, braids (either pulled back or into a bun), short afros, and twists are a few options for future games that could bring some diversity to the selection as well as be short enough to avoid clipping issues.

 

Hairstyles can say a lot about the cultural or ethnic identity -- in addition to personal taste, of course --  which is why I get a happy little stomach butterfly when I see some of those options pop up in a character creator.  Most of my characters (especially female) end up with bald, shaved, or super-cropped hair because I'm often faced with a lack of options (if any) in character creators.  Whenever I try for a more... "smooth"/straight hairstyle it just makes the character's entire look look very... different.  

 

It's kind of like how I get the question "what are you?" in real life when I have my hair relaxed/straightened in regards to my ethnic background.  Yet when I have it free in it's natural curly/kinky state, in braids, or in twists I don't get that awkwardly phrased question anymore   .  Agani: the only thing I change is going from a chemically-altered straight "Western"/"default" style to my hair's natural kinks, twists, and braids.  Whenever I get my hair relaxed** again, that "what are you?" question comes back in full force. 

 

Of course, diversity in hairstyles wouldn't just benefit black characters. More diverse hair options would result in more Inquisitors of all skin tones looking badass!

 

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Because a friend pointed out not everyone will be familiar with what the heck I'm talking about:

 

**Relaxed -- the term for chemically straightening the hair with hydroxides. It works by breaking the S-shaped disulfide bonds that form curly hair. The process is irreversible, hence why it is also called a "perm" (as in permanent, get it!). So when a black person mentions getting a perm, it's more likely she/he is talking about getting the hair straightened instead of curled! Of course, any new hair growth will be its natural shape. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

When some people in that Qunari hair thread were complaining about all the cornrows I was lurking away going "I want cornrows for my elf~~~ *sigh*".

And by "all the cornrows", you mean the one option they get right?

[vertigone]

I've seen more black women with these hairstyles than any of the "black styles" that I know of combined. Which is a lot, actually. 

 

Even among the black community in the US, "white" is still seen as the default standard for beauty. Lighter skin in Hollywood -- especially among women -- is preferred to darker skin (i.e. "the paper bag test").  A quick google search of black actresses will showcase that relaxed hair and weaves are more accepted than natural hair. I remember reading some helpful blog posts and forums that gave advice on how to deal tell your family (especially mother) that you wanted to wear your hair naturally. 

 

It only makes sense that people strive for what they see as the norm for beauty from media and celebrities.  Hell, it's why I'll still go out and get my hair relaxed every now and then. 

[Br3admax]

No offense, but I don't think anyone needed that lesson on black hair, I know I didn't. I was simply saying that black women have hair available to them. 

[syllogi]

No offense, but I don't think anyone needed that lesson on black hair, I know I didn't. I was simply saying that black women have hair available to them. 

 

Not hair that naturally looks like our own, as it grows out of our heads.  As someone who straightened my hair for at least twenty five years, I really, really would like the option to have afro-textured curly hair like mine in a video game one day.  I realize it may be a ways off, because of graphics limitations but it can't hurt to vocalize the desire for it.